just another denomination?

[HypoTypoSis]

Does the Vatican regard itself as just another denomination?
If it does not then is it improper for non-Catholics to regard Catholicism as just another denomination?

[Rhamiel]

From what I have seen the Catholic Church does not believe in denominations. The Catholic Church regards itself as the One Church founded by Christ. Every one baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is a Christian but none of the organizations formed by them, the denomonations, have any authority.
Most Protestants believe in the “invisible Church of all believers” so for them it would not be improper to view the Catholic Church as one denomination among many.
Why did you post this on the Baptist forum instead of the Catholic forum?
My the peace of Christ live inside you.

[Rhamiel]

typo
may° the peace of Christ live inside you
the other way makes no sense

[HypoTypoSis]

Most Protestants believe in the “invisible Church of all believers” so for them it would not be improper to view the Catholic Church as one denomination among many.
Why did you post this on the Baptist forum instead of the Catholic forum?

1.

Where does it state in Protestantism that Most Protestants consider Catholicism as just another denomination? I've never heard of such.
Do I understand you correctly that you do not believe Catholicism believes itself to be just another denomination?
Denominations are a Protestant invention, so how could Catholicism consider itself a member denomination of Protestantism?2.

I desired to speak with Baptists; had I wanted to speak with Catholics I would have gone to the Catholic forum.

[Rhamiel]

"Do I understand you correctly that you do not believe Catholicism believes itself to be just another denomination?"
Yes you understand me correctly, it views itself as the One Church founded by Christ.
back to your origenal question
"If it does not then is it improper for non-Catholics to regard Catholicism as just another denomination?"
I am sorry if I was unclear in my earlyer post. I think that the Catholic Church is the only true Church, non-Catholics do not think it is, so to them it is just another denomination. I see nothing improper in them thinking this even though I personally disagree.
I am sorry if I was unclear in my last post

[HypoTypoSis]

"Do I understand you correctly that you do not believe Catholicism believes itself to be just another denomination?"
Yes you understand me correctly, it views itself as the One Church founded by Christ.
back to your origenal question
"If it does not then is it improper for non-Catholics to regard Catholicism as just another denomination?"
I am sorry if I was unclear in my earlyer post. I think that the Catholic Church is the only true Church, non-Catholics do not think it is, so to them it is just another denomination. I see nothing improper in them thinking this even though I personally disagree.
I am sorry if I was unclear in my last post

Sorry, still need some more clarification here:


I think that the Catholic Church is the only true Church

Are you saying that


YOU think the CC is the only true church or that
you think they believe they are the only true church?
Do YOU believe they are?


non-Catholics do not think it is, so to them it is just another denomination

I've never heard of Protestantism regarding Catholicism as just another denomination.

Nor have I ever heard of Catholicsm regarding itself as just another denomination for that would mean they regard themselves as part of Protestantism.

What are your sources, cites and links for this supposition?


Yes you understand me correctly, it [Catholicism] views itself as the One Church founded by Christ.


Then Catholicism cannot regard itself as just another denomination. Correct?

[Rhamiel]

"YOU think the CC is the only true church or that
you think they believe they are the only true church?"Both, I think the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ, with the apostles as the first bishops, I am catholic and this is a catholic view.
"I've never heard of Protestantism regarding Catholicism as just another denomination" I have, mostly methodist and some non-denominational christians who I hang out with have said as much. What do protestants regard it as then?
"Then Catholicism cannot regard itself as just another denomination. Correct?" yes
I do not think denominations mean protestant, like the Orthodox churches are denominations right?

[MikeMcK]

Does the Vatican regard itself as just another denomination?
If it does not then is it improper for non-Catholics to regard Catholicism as just another denomination?

There is another thread that discusses this somewhat here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t4133574-christians-please-listen-to-this.html

IN the OP, there's a link to an outstanding sermon by John MacArthur that details many of the problems we non-Roman Catholics have with Roman Catholicism.

[Rhamiel]

Oh the John MacArthur sermon, I down loaded the whole thing but only got around to listining to the first half.
Thanks for the clerification

[HypoTypoSis]

"YOU think the CC is the only true church or that
you think they believe they are the only true church?"Both, I think the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ, with the apostles as the first bishops, I am catholic and this is a catholic view.


Yes, that, ie your, view is the Catholic view; having stated your belief and view in that respect please be advised you are not allowed to argue your belief herein.

However, I do welcome deeper discussion so long as our preagreed upon mutual goal involves the ability on both our parts to lay aside any and all preconceived notions and beliefs in favor of the Truth WHEREVER that may lead--even and especially if it goes against everything previously learned and believed to be truth. Are we in agreement on this?


"I've never heard of Protestantism regarding Catholicism as just another denomination" I have, mostly methodist and some non-denominational christians who I hang out with have said as much. What do protestants regard it as then?
"Then Catholicism cannot regard itself as just another denomination. Correct?" yes
I do not think denominations mean protestant, like the Orthodox churches are denominations right?

Methodists I know quite well and for all their laudable social do goody attributes they do NOT regard Catholicism as just another denomination.

Any that might believe Catholicism as just another denomination MUST be very young and not even know what a denomination is.

In essence, ALL denominations make up Protestantism. "Protestant" comes from "protest" as in those that "protested" against the Catholic Church and separated themselves from the Vatican and the Catholic Church which, effectually, resulted in the period of history known as the Reformation.

Regards,
HypoTypoSis

[Rhamiel]

Ok, I see what you mean now, I was using the webster definition of denomination as “a religious organization whose congregations are united in their adherence to its beliefs and practices” and under such a definition the Catholic Church has no problem being called a denomination and many non Catholics I know use the word denomination in this or similar way.
“In essence, ALL denominations make up Protestantism. "Protestant" comes from "protest" as in those that "protested" against the Catholic Church and separated themselves from the Vatican and the Catholic Church which, effectually, resulted in the period of history known as the Reformation.”
So the church of England is protestant because it broke off of the Catholic Church and the Baptist church broke off of the church of England, so does that make you a protestant-protestant because you protest other protestants, just kidding, my Dad likes that little joke and I just thought it would be fun to share.

[JPPT1974]

"YOU think the CC is the only true church or that
you think they believe they are the only true church?"Both, I think the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ, with the apostles as the first bishops, I am catholic and this is a catholic view.
"I've never heard of Protestantism regarding Catholicism as just another denomination" I have, mostly methodist and some non-denominational christians who I hang out with have said as much. What do protestants regard it as then?
"Then Catholicism cannot regard itself as just another denomination. Correct?" yes
I do not think denominations mean protestant, like the Orthodox churches are denominations right?

Well, what does matter is that really
Shouldn't be denominations but should be
If we are believers in the body of Christ
Then that is all that matters.

[BBAS 64]

Does the Vatican regard itself as just another denomination?
If it does not then is it improper for non-Catholics to regard Catholicism as just another denomination?

Good Day, HypoTyposis

It is of little concern to me what the Vatican reguards, the fact of the matter is the normal usage and definition of the word makes them a denomination indeed.

I do not think Hitler reguarded himself as a killer, though by definition he was.

Unless now the Vatican has presuposed the (new) abilty to redifine words and terms infalliblity.

Peace to u,

Bill

[HypoTypoSis]

Originally Posted by HypoTypoSis http://www3.christianforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=29342781#post29342781)

Does the Vatican regard itself as just another denomination?
If it does not then is it improper for non-Catholics to regard Catholicism as just another denomination?


Good Day, HypoTyposis

It is of little concern to me what the Vatican reguards,

Irrelevant to the question which is, what does the VATICAN think about being just another denomination?

the fact of the matter is the normal usage and definition of the word makes them a denomination indeed.

No, sir, it does not; according to normal usage it is not regarded as just another denomination; perhaps to you but I sincerely doubt the Catholic Church regards itself as just another denomination.

I do not think Hitler reguarded himself as a killer, though by definition he was.

By your definition, in time, all religions will be regarded as just another denomination for as your lax new age defintion gradually permeates all religious beliefs they shall by then all be one.

Unless now the Vatican has presuposed the (new) abilty to redifine words and terms infalliblity.


The Protestants protested against the Catholic Church. To call the Catholics just another denomination is call them protestants.

If you will be so kind as to provide the link where Catholicism regards itself as just another protestant denomination I shall be more than happy to concede to your line of thinking.

[HypoTypoSis]

the webster definition of denomination as “a religious organization whose congregations are united in their adherence to its beliefs and practices”

Therein is the issue for Catholicism and Protestantism are not united in the adherence with respect to beliefs and practices hence the protesting split.