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JM
28th November 2006, 10:19 PM
The Complete Works of Andrew Fuller"is http://www.idahobaptist.com/images/Fuller.jpgnow available on a computer CD. Andrew Fuller (javascript:newWin('http://www.baptistpage.org/Portraits/fuller.htm',720,500))was the driving force behind the modern missionary movement among the Baptists and the man "who held the rope" for missionary William Carey. This CD contains a biography of Fuller's life and all the important writings of this throught-provoking pastor and theologian. It is a must for every serious Baptist theologian whether you agree with him or not. E-mail Brother Oldfield (kdoidaho@earthlink.net)to order your copy.





I order mine a year ago from Br. Oldfield along with the B.H. Carroll CD Rom, used it to search a few topics and forgot about it. It wasn't until today that I pulled it out and started to search thru it again. If anyone is interested in having me do a search on a topic let me know, it contains very interesting thoughts and early theology of the English Baptists.

Peace,

jm

VT_Boy
1st December 2006, 02:03 PM
Never heard of him before.

JM
2nd December 2006, 12:55 AM
http://www.fullerbaptist.org.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuller_Baptist_Church (http://www.fullerbaptist.org.uk/)
This might help.

:thumbsup:

JM
4th December 2006, 09:27 PM
I own the CD Rom and would recommend it. B. H. Carroll is a Calvinist, covenantal Baptist. If you don't have the space and want to save a few bills think about getting the CD which contians the 17 vol. commentary, along with 16 books: Ecclesia, The Colossus of Baptist History [his bio], the Inspiration of the Bible, the Holy Spirit, the Way of Cross, the Seven Churches of Asia, the Three Baptisms, Messages on Prayer, Christian Education and Some Social Problems, Jesus the Christ, Baptists and their Doctrine, the Faith that Saves, the Providence of God, Christ and His Church, Sermons and Life Sketch and Revival Sermons.

About a year ago I ordered B.H. Carroll's CD Rom from Br. Oldfield and he sent along "The Complete Works of Andrew Fuller." I think I paid under $30 USD for both but I can't be sure. After reading thru some of Fuller's works I recommend it. Fuller wrote, "R. ‘There are different shades of Calvinism, I suppose, amongst you?’ – F. ‘Yes; there are three by which we commonly describe; namely, the high, the moderate, and the strict Calvinists. The first are, if I may so speak, more Calvinistic than Calvin himself; in other words, bordering on Antinomianism.’ – R. ‘Have you many of these?’ – F. ‘Too many.’ – O. ‘Do they not reckon you a legal reacher?’ – F. ‘Yes; at this very time I am represented, throughout the religious circles of London, as an Arminian.’ – R. ‘On what ground?’ – F. ‘What I have written in a note in the Gospel its own Witness.’ – R. ‘I remember that note. We all approve of it, and think it agrees with the doctrine held by our Church. But what do you call a moderate Calvinist?’ – F. ‘One that is a half Arminian, or, as they are called with us, Baxterians.’ – R. ‘And what a strict Calvinist?’ – F. ‘One that really holds the system of Calvin. I do not believe every thing that Calvin taught, nor any thing because he taught it; but I reckon strict Calvinism to be my own system."

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"The Complete Works of Andrew Fuller" is now available on a computer CD. Andrew Fuller was the driving force behind the modern missionary movement among the Baptists and the man "who held the rope" for missionary William Carey. This CD contains a biography of Fuller's life and all the important writings of this throught-provoking pastor and theologian. It is a must for every serious Baptist theologian whether you agree with him or not. E-mail Brother Oldfield to order your copy." kdoidaho@earthlink.net
jm

About B.H. Carroll: link (http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?currSection=&sermonID=121603222926)

JPPT1974
5th December 2006, 11:02 PM
Never heard of him before but now
You make me want to read him
Thanks for the links!

Logos1560
6th December 2006, 01:24 PM
I came across the Complete Works of Andrew Fuller at a large university library. Here is a quotation from it.

Andrew Fuller (1754-1815) wrote: "Allowing all due honour to the English translation of the Bible, it must be granted to be a human performance, and, as such, subject to imperfection" (Complete Works of Andrew Fuller, II, p. 888).

JM
6th December 2006, 08:09 PM
REMARKS ON THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE.

ALLOWING all due honour to the English translation of the Bible, it must be granted to be a human performance, and, as such, subject to imperfection. Where any passage appears to be mistranslated, it is doubtless proper for those who are well acquainted with the original languages to point it out, and to offer, according to the best of their judgment, the true meaning of the Holy Spirit. Criticisms of this kind, made with modesty and judgment, and not in consequence of a preconceived system, are worthy of encouragement.

But, besides these, there is a species of criticism which offers itself from a more familiar source, and of the propriety of which the mere English reader is competent to judge; namely, the division of chapters, the use of supplementary terms, &c.

If the following example of the former kind be thought worthy of a place in the Biblical Magazine, it is probable I may on a future occasion send you more of the same nature. The seventh chapter of John ends with these words “And every man went unto his own house.” The eighth begins with these: “Jesus went unto the Mount of Olives.” Here, I conceive, the former chapter ought to have ended; for here ends the labour of the day, and each party is described as withdrawing to his place of retirement. The whole passage contains a beautiful representation of the breaking up of a fierce dispute between the chief priests, the Pharisees, the officers whom they sent to arrest our Saviour, and Nicodemus. In the picture which is here drawn of it, we see at one view the very hearts of the different parties; and if the subject were made to end with the retirement of Jesus to the Mount of Olives, it would appear to still greater advantage. The Pharisees and chief priests having sent officers to take Jesus, they return without him. Pharisees. Why have ye not brought him? Officers. Never man spake like this man!

Pharisees. Are ye also deceived? Have any of the rulers, or of the Pharisees, believed on him? But this people, who know not the law, are cursed. Nicodemus. Doth our law judge any man before it hear him?

Pharisees. Art thou also of Galilee? Search and look, for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet. Historian. And every man went unto his own house Jesus went unto the Mount of Olives. What an exhibition is here given, in a few simple words, of the workings of mind in the different parties!

Follow them respectively to their places of retirement, and judge of their feelings. The officers, stunned with conviction and stung with the reproaches of their employers, retire in disgust. The Pharisees, transported with rage and disappointment, go murmuring to their houses.– Nicodemus having ventured, though mildly, to repel their outrage, feels himself suspected of a secret adherence to the Galilean, and is full of thought about the issue of things. Jesus, with the most perfect calmness and satisfaction, retires to the place whither he was wont to resort for prayer and communion with God!

Context.

Iosias
7th December 2006, 11:16 AM
"The Complete Works of Andrew Fuller."

I can't remember precisely why but I know I don't like him...will get back to you :)

JM
7th December 2006, 11:18 AM
Common Grace ring a bell? :P

Iosias
7th December 2006, 11:21 AM
Oh yes of course...he wrote The Gospel Worthy of All Acceptation and was an opponent of Gill.

Iosias
7th December 2006, 11:23 AM
Common Grace ring a bell? :P

Did he hold to CG? I would not be suprised ;)

JM
7th December 2006, 11:25 AM
Oh yes of course...he wrote The Gospel Worthy of All Acceptation and was an opponent of Gill.

By suggesting this CD-Rom in no way am I advocating ALL of his beliefs...I also don't agree with Calvin or Carroll or anyone else 100% of the time.

Peace,

jm

Iosias
7th December 2006, 11:31 AM
By suggesting this CD-Rom in no way am I advocating ALL of his beliefs...I also don't agree with Calvin or Carroll or anyone else 100% of the time.

Peace,

jm

I in no way meant to imply that you did brother.

Info:
1. http://www.dbts.edu/journals/2001/Priest.pdf
2. http://members.aol.com/libcfl2/fuller.htm (this may be Hyper)
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_Baptist

JM
7th December 2006, 11:41 AM
"Particular Baptists had fallen into a hyper-Calvinism that denied the need to evangelize the lost or even to offer salvation to anyone..."

"Like Jonathan Edwards (http://www.siteone.com/religion/baptist/baptistpage/Nquite/NQ_portraits/edwards.html), whom he read deeply, Fuller was a Calvinists who believed in an experiential religion."
http://www.reformedreader.org/images/fuller.jpg


http://www.siteone.com/religion/baptist/baptistpage/Portraits/fuller.htm

Three Letters Written on Strict Communion (http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/fuller.communion.index.html)
By Andrew Fuller Memoirs of Andrew Fuller (http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/fuller.memoirs.index.html)
[From The Complete Works of Andrew Fuller]
1845

Andrew Fuller (http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/fuller.andrew.html)
The Baptist Encyclopedia, 1881

Andrew Fuller, The Theologian (http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/fuller.andrew.by.landels.html)
Baptist Worthies
By William Landels, D.D., 1883
Ten CIRCULAR LETTERS written by Fuller

Northamptonshire Baptist Association (http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/fuller.cl.index.html)
There are ten.

Some SERMONS by Fuller (http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/fuller.sermon.index.html)
There are twenty - three recently added.

The Gospel Worthy of All Acceptation (http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/fuller.gospel.worthy.indx.html)
By Andrew Fuller, 1786

Systematic Divinity - Nine Letters (http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/fuller.systemt.divn.index.html)
By Andrew Fuller

On the Sonship of Christ (http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/fuller.sonship.of.christ.html)
By Andrew Fuller

The Deity of Christ (http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/fuller.deity.index.html)
By Andrew Fuller

State of the Baptist Churches in Northhamptonshire (http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/northamptonshire.churches.html)
By Andrew Fuller, 1814

Andrew Fuller Grave Inscription (http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/fuller.grave.inscription.html)
[From The Complete Works of Andrew Fuller]

Samuel Pearce Memoirs (http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/pearce.memoirs.index.html)
By Andrew Fuller

The Andrew Fuller System (http://www.geocities.com/baptist_documents/fuller.system.by.benedict.html)
By David Benedict, 1860
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Current Comments on Andrew Fuller (http://mghhistor.blogspot.com/2006/03/eminent-christians-5-andrew-fuller.html)
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A Link A Journal Article on Andrew Fuller (http://www.dbts.edu/journals/2001/Priest.pdf)

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Iosias
7th December 2006, 11:44 AM
JM, how much of Fuller have you read? Did he believe in the Well-Meant Offer?

JM
7th December 2006, 12:43 PM
JM, how much of Fuller have you read? Did he believe in the Well-Meant Offer?

I use the Fuller CD-Rom by using keyword search most often, but haven't sat down and read thru the all 2200 pages. Did he believe in a well-meant offer, I think so.


While never straying from the doctrines of Grace, Fuller came to see that such doctrines did not preclude offering the gospel to all men. He saw this offer of salvation in the writing of such a diverse group of men as Jonathan Edwards (http://www.siteone.com/religion/baptist/baptistpage/Nquite/NQ_portraits/edwards.html), John Owen, John Bunyan (http://www.siteone.com/religion/baptist/baptistpage/Portraits/bunyan.htm), and David Brainerd. Beyond such men, Fuller saw in Scripture itself a firm insistence on freely preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ to all men. Gilbert Laws notes that on moving away from hyper-Calvinism: "Fuller had followed what he found for himself in the Scriptures. He had dared to preach as John the Baptist preached and as the Master Himself had preached, and as the apostles preached, inviting and beseeching sinners to believe and live."

Iosias
7th December 2006, 02:18 PM
Did he believe in a well-meant offer, I think so.

The well-meant offer (http://www.christianforums.com/t4299616-the-well-meant-offer-of-the-gospel.html) is not the same as the 'free offer' but rather "By the "well-meant offer" is meant the conception, or doctrine, of the preaching of the blessed gospel in Calvinistic circles that holds that God sends the gospel to all who hear out of an attitude of grace to them all and with the desire to save them all. The "well-meant offer" insists, at the very least, on these two notions: God is gracious in the preaching to all hearers; and God has a will, or sincere desire, for the salvation of every man who hears the gospel." (source (http://www.prca.org/pamphlets/pamphlet_35.html))

JM
7th December 2006, 07:36 PM
The well-meant offer (http://www.christianforums.com/t4299616-the-well-meant-offer-of-the-gospel.html) is not the same as the 'free offer' but rather "By the "well-meant offer" is meant the conception, or doctrine, of the preaching of the blessed gospel in Calvinistic circles that holds that God sends the gospel to all who hear out of an attitude of grace to them all and with the desire to save them all. The "well-meant offer" insists, at the very least, on these two notions: God is gracious in the preaching to all hearers; and God has a will, or sincere desire, for the salvation of every man who hears the gospel." (source (http://www.prca.org/pamphlets/pamphlet_35.html))

Yes, I understand but fail to see what your getting at. :scratch:

Iosias
8th December 2006, 03:36 PM
Yes, I understand but fail to see what your getting at. :scratch:

Is this what Fuller held?

JM
8th December 2006, 05:31 PM
I would say yes.

JM
6th February 2007, 10:26 PM
Listen (http://www.desiringgod.org/media/audio/conferences/bcp2007/20070206_piper.mp3) to John Piper's message on Andrew Fuller, "Holy Faith, Worthy Gospel, World Vision: Andrew Fuller’s Broadsides Against Sandemanianism, Hyper-Calvinism, and Global Unbelief."

http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/

JPPT1974
7th February 2007, 09:17 PM
Guess the answer yes answers the question!