Saturday Sabbath?

[Jenn4God]

I have read several places that the sabbath was originally on Saturday and that the Catholic Church was the one who set it on Sunday and got the other religions to follow as part of their "One World Religion". What do you think about this? I'm honestly unsure. I have asked Catholics and they seem to have no more info than I do. Is there something to this claim or am I just wasting my time?:scratch:

[Sword-In-Hand]

I have read several places that the sabbath was originally on Saturday and that the Catholic Church was the one who set it on Sunday and got the other religions to follow as part of their "One World Religion". What do you think about this? I'm honestly unsure. I have asked Catholics and they seem to have no more info than I do. Is there something to this claim or am I just wasting my time?:scratch:

This is more of a Seventh Day Adventist outlook. Where some believe if you attend church on Sunday, you are accepting the mark of the beast.

If you look closely at scripture concerning the sabbath, you'll see a few things. First, observing the sabbath has always been a Jewish command. It was never for the Gentiles. Also, when Jesus reformed the Ten Commandments, He addressed everyone of them except the Sabbath. I believe partly because the Jews had taken that law to such an extreme they almost considered it a sin to breathe on that day. And if you look in the book of Acts, it mentions that the Apostles met, preached, and took funds on the first day of the week, Sunday.

Having said that I will say, it's by no means wrong to observe the Sabbath day, and honor it.

[Jenn4God]

Thanks for explaining that a little better for me. There's just so many different beliefs and that is something I don't hear much about.:)

[Sword-In-Hand]

Thanks for explaining that a little better for me. There's just so many different beliefs and that is something I don't hear much about.:)

No problem at all. I have done some good research on the subject. I used to watch a SDA preacher, who actually made a believable argument as to why Sunday was taking the mark, but I spoke with my pastors and friends, especially those educated in eschatology and what they said put me at ease. The Catholic church may have instituted Sunday as the new day of rest, but the Apostles were doing it long before they came about.

[Seeker of the Truth]

isn't the sabbath day more of an old testament law and not part of the new testament church?

[HypoTypoSis]

I have read several places that the sabbath was originally on Saturday
Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. Then, that's Jewish. Jesus made it abundantly clear a day of rest is up to choice. However, it might be added that, medically speaking, just as with diurnal cycles there is also a weekly cycle that demands a day of rest if the body and mind is not to get 'rub down'. So, apparently, God knew what He talking about when He said rest on the Seventh day (and Jesus allowed us to choose which day would be our 7th).

[mont974x4]

This is more of a Seventh Day Adventist outlook. Where some believe if you attend church on Sunday, you are accepting the mark of the beast.

If you look closely at scripture concerning the sabbath, you'll see a few things. First, observing the sabbath has always been a Jewish command. It was never for the Gentiles. Also, when Jesus reformed the Ten Commandments, He addressed everyone of them except the Sabbath. I believe partly because the Jews had taken that law to such an extreme they almost considered it a sin to breathe on that day. And if you look in the book of Acts, it mentions that the Apostles met, preached, and took funds on the first day of the week, Sunday.

Having said that I will say, it's by no means wrong to observe the Sabbath day, and honor it.
well said and amen.

[Jenn4God]

Could you all please give me the bible verses that support this information so I may pass it on?

[mont974x4]

Could you all please give me the bible verses that support this information so I may pass it on?
Check out
Matthew 12
Mark 2
Luke 13, 14

Also look for the Ten Commandments in the NT. You will find them all...except the Sabbath.....re-commanded in the NT

[Sword-In-Hand]

I'll have to find it, but where it speaks of the Apostles meeting on the first day of the week, is in Acts.

[arunma]

I have read several places that the sabbath was originally on Saturday and that the Catholic Church was the one who set it on Sunday and got the other religions to follow as part of their "One World Religion". What do you think about this? I'm honestly unsure. I have asked Catholics and they seem to have no more info than I do. Is there something to this claim or am I just wasting my time?:scratch:

I disagree with a lot of Catholic doctrines, and I don't consider Catholicism to be the most spiritually healthy form of Christianity, but I don't believe the Roman Catholic Church to be "evil" by any stretch of the imagination. As Sword in Hand already mentioned, what you have described is a Seventh Day Adventist doctrine.

Unless there is a major shift in doctrine and leadership in Rome, the Catholic Church is not about to become a one world religion. On the contrary, I have believed for quite some time that the Catholic Church is on the verge of becoming defunct. Although Pope John Paul II was commendable in many ways, he seems to have led the church down a somewhat universalist path, in which the Gospel of Christ is one valid path to God among many. Catholics effectively deny that Jesus stands as the only Savior of mankind. Allow me to give an example from today's news. I saw a report on Pope Benedict's upcoming visit to Turkey, which Catholics hope will mend relations with Muslims. When a random Catholic visiting the Vatican was interviewed, she said, "I think this will be a good opportunity to reach out to another culture." The words that stick out to me here are "another culture." Already Catholics view Christianity as a cultural religion rather than as the single, narrow path to God. These are not the words of one who practices a one world religion. These are the doctrines of a religion that may very well be absorbed into the post-modern movement by the twenty-second century.

Now to the question at hand. It is true that the early church shifted significance from Saturday to Sunday. But this was not the doing of the Catholic Church (in fact, I would say that "the Catholic Church" didn't really exist in its current form until somewhat after 1054 AD). We can see indications of this in the Bible. As Sword in Hand mentioned, the Apostles placed importance on the first day of the week. John also mentions "the Lord's Day" in the book of Revelation. But ultimately, the very notion of a first day of the week is relative. In France, for example, Monday is the first day of the week. So by implication, the Lord's Day turns out to be the last day of the week. Ultimately we must ask ourselves: does Jesus really care which day we set apart for him?

[Jenn4God]

Actually arunma, I have done much research on the Roman Catholic Institution. However, due to site rules, I am unable to post the links here. If you are interested in this information you can email me through my email link on my homepage. There is much information you are missing. Especially if you count the news as a complete and credible source. There is more going on behind the scenes that everyone seems scared to discuss.

[arunma]

Actually arunma, I have done much research on the Roman Catholic Institution. However, due to site rules, I am unable to post the links here. If you are interested in this information you can email me through my email link on my homepage. There is much information you are missing. Especially if you count the news as a complete and credible source. There is more going on behind the scenes that everyone seems scared to discuss.

I would be interested to read this. Could you PM me the link?

[Jenn4God]

I would be interested to read this. Could you PM me the link?

Sure, it will have to wait until morning though. It's late. :yawn: I will be up early though. Good Night and God Bless!

[HypoTypoSis]

...the Catholic Church is not about to become a one world religion.
Apparently, we travel in different circles, read different newspapers, magazines, books, articles and listen to different TV, radio and video casts.


Last edited by christian73 : 27th November 2006 at 09:53 PM. Reason: Appeared to be criticizing of another denomination


Not criticizing any other denomination, just stating undeniable historical fact and truth and buttressing those facts and truths with a long list of current, contemporary and up to date links.

BTW, since when does the Vatican regard itself as just another denomination?

FWIW: Anyone that would like a copy of the very numerous list of links that were edited out and that completely and totally refute Arunma's [quoted] statement please PM me.

[HypoTypoSis]

the Catholic Church is not about to become a one world religion.
Keep a close eye (before, during, after) the Pope's visit (today) to Turkey.

Already, there is a lot of posturing (right now on CNN) of Islamists and Catholics patronizing each other seeking common ground aka the continuing formulation of the One World religion.

[arunma]

Keep a close eye (before, during, after) the Pope's visit (today) to Turkey.

Already, there is a lot of posturing (right now on CNN) of Islamists and Catholics patronizing each other seeking common ground aka the continuing formulation of the One World religion.

But the problem is that the seeking after common ground only goes one way. Yes, the Roman Catholics seek some sort of limited communion with Muslims. But even if they did seek to form a One World Religion (and I don't think that they do), Islam seems to be continuing to do what it's done for 1,400 years: use terrorism to fight the "perverted Christian West." I would be most interested to see how Catholics could join forces with people who want to blow them up.

BTW: I do not subscribe to the dispensationalist understanding of the end times which proposes a single anti-christ as leader of a one world religion. So things like one world religion and world government don't really bother me. In fact, I think the latter might even be a good idea (provided said government does not alter the doctrines of the church).

[HypoTypoSis]

But the problem is that the seeking after common ground only goes one way. Yes, the Roman Catholics seek some sort of limited communion with Muslims. But even if they did seek to form a One World Religion (and I don't think that they do), Islam seems to be continuing to do what it's done for 1,400 years: use terrorism to fight the "perverted Christian West." I would be most interested to see how Catholics could join forces with people who want to blow them up.

As with others, I've had more time to watch this develop; in time, so shall you.

BTW: I do not subscribe to the dispensationalist understanding of the end times which proposes a single anti-christ as leader of a one world religion. So things like one world religion and world government don't really bother me. In fact, I think the latter might even be a good idea (provided said government does not alter the doctrines of the church).

Slightly off the mainstream but you might enjoy checking out "The Nostradamus Code: World War III 2007-2012" by Michael Rathford. Surprisingly, Nostradamus was very much a Christian and, living in the times he did, it was most necessary to write in the codified fashion as his work exhibits. Reasonably inexpensive and small at about 80 pages.

[Ian68]

I have read several places that the sabbath was originally on Saturday and that the Catholic Church was the one who set it on Sunday and got the other religions to follow as part of their "One World Religion". What do you think about this? I'm honestly unsure. I have asked Catholics and they seem to have no more info than I do. Is there something to this claim or am I just wasting my time?:scratch:
Acts 20:7 has the disciples worshipping on the first day (Sunday). Romans 14:5-6 establishes the same principle for days as was set for food: whatever you do, do it for the Lord.

It's also worth noting that of the Ten Commandments, the only one not reiterated to the New Testament church was the commandment to keep the sabbath.

[TwinCrier]

If you search the New Testament all the verses about meeting describe "the first day of the week." In fact Jesus and the apostles are repeatedly criticized for preaching, teaching and healing on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made into a burden it was never meant to be.

[edb19]

Acts 20:7 has the disciples worshipping on the first day (Sunday). Romans 14:5-6 establishes the same principle for days as was set for food: whatever you do, do it for the Lord.

It's also worth noting that of the Ten Commandments, the only one not reiterated to the New Testament church was the commandment to keep the sabbath.

I would argue that the commandment to love the Lord encompasses the first 4 commandments. We are to recognize the Lord's Day (and I do believe that the Lord's Day is the new Sabbath) - it is both our delight and privilege to have a day where we can "rest in the Lord." That time, that command shouldn't be a burden - but rather a time of comfort, of enjoyment and of ease. How awful for us to have a day where we don't have to think about the worries of the world.

[Ian68]

I would argue that the commandment to love the Lord encompasses the first 4 commandments. We are to recognize the Lord's Day (and I do believe that the Lord's Day is the new Sabbath) - it is both our delight and privilege to have a day where we can "rest in the Lord." That time, that command shouldn't be a burden - but rather a time of comfort, of enjoyment and of ease. How awful for us to have a day where we don't have to think about the worries of the world.
True, but I was referring to the seventh day sabbath and the initial poster's question regarding Sunday worship. The Old Testament defines it as the seventh day (Ex. 20:10, for example), but the New Testament doesn't.

[edb19]

True, but I was referring to the seventh day sabbath and the initial poster's question regarding Sunday worship. The Old Testament defines it as the seventh day (Ex. 20:10, for example), but the New Testament doesn't.

agreed - which is why I try to make it clear we have a new Sabbath - the Lord's Day.

[Nightwatchsong]

There are still small congregations of Baptists, meeting for worship on the seventh day, as they have been in this country since the late seventeenth century.

Elizabeth

[JPPT1974]

agreed - which is why I try to make it clear we have a new Sabbath - the Lord's Day.

That would be awesome I think!
Because I always get confused though with
Sunday being the seventh day of rest
Or the beginning of the week which is the first day!
Ever get confused by that!:confused: