[OPEN] Your Thoughts on Books

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I've just read:

How Jewish Is Christianity?: 2 Views on the Messianic Movement (Counterpoints: Exploring Theology) (Paperback)
by Louis Goldberg (http://www.amazon.com/s/105-6654802-3900465?ie=UTF8&index=books&rank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterank&field-author-exact=Louis%20Goldberg) (Contributor)

Some Messianic Jews Say, “Messianic Judaism Is Not Christianity”: A Loving Call to Unity (Paperback)
by Stan Telchin

I'd be interested in any thoughts you might want to share on these titles, or other books you might recommend concerning current issues in the Messianic movement.

Thanks, kib. :hug:

[visionary]

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Yes, I saw that link and am grateful for the information there - someone put in a lot of work gathering that together. Thanks visionary. But I was wondering if any CF Messianics had particular thoughts regarding these books written about them, and especially regarding Stan Telchin; or if there are books you recommend as self-representative of the movement. I'm mostly familiar with the Jews for Jesus aspects of Messianic Judaism. Thanks. :thumbsup:

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Yes, I saw that link and am grateful for the information there - someone put in a lot of work gathering that together. Thanks visionary. But I was wondering if any CF Messianics had particular thoughts regarding these books written about them, and especially regarding Stan Telchin; or if there are books you recommend as self-representative of the movement. I'm mostly familiar with the Jews for Jesus aspects of Messianic Judaism. Thanks. :thumbsup:
There was a thread started regarding the Telchin book.

PM me if you want my opinion about it. I've been in correspondence with the author.

I'm not sure the other book really nails the matter on the head either. As yet, I don't think I can heartily recommend any one book on the MJ movement because the publishers tend to ignore the points of view that are not "evangelically correct", that is, which do not gel well with current Evangelical Protestant Christianity. The best Messianic stuff comes from smaller publishing houses, such as Tim Hegg's "Torah Resource" and "First Fruits of Zion" etc.

There seems to be three main positions within the MJ movement, and as far as I know, no one book has tackled them all together.

I'd like to discuss this at some deeper, more academic level, but forum rules do not allow us that space. I'm thinking of other options, including startin another forum.

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Thanks CM. I searched under the author name, but couldn't find anything at CF. I'm off to eat some turkey just now.

[ContraMundum]

Thanks CM. I searched under the author name, but couldn't find anything at CF. I'm off to eat some turkey just now.
Cib....I've edited my original post...go up and read it again...

Here's the Telchin link. Needless to say the thread didn't go down too well. :)http://www.christianforums.com/t3094149

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Thanks CM. I didn't realize it was such a touchy subject and something we aren't suppose to post about here. I appreciate your thoughts, but I don't want to be problematic per site directives. I'll end discussion now. :hug:

[Eben Abram]

Shalom Alecheim

Ciborium, Contramundum...........LOL....

I fear I may be ignorant of "recent" authors and even posts and rules here so I might be one day censored, deleted, or perhaps put into a New Forum called the "Messianic Movement" .

I would like someone to PM me in brief about what you can't post.

You See, In OLD Messianic Movement, we used to have "gatherings" were we discusssed ALL topics and interests and everyones opine was valued. Of course this was in Jerusalem where everyone has an opinion and has no problem disagreeing.....(sigh)

So I might say to the questioner.....I have been around before the Word was coined "Messianic Judaism" and I know three people who have posts older than any record of common usage or publication using THAT term and if I can share with you this.....I am not the first to USE that but I was wan't the last. LOL

Canadian Records SHOW when and how the use of "Messianic Judaism" as opoosed to Messianic Movement Started and flourised is America and what is WEB based and What has been around historically.

(smile) if you ever need an answer you don't expect to get from a Jew albeit a Messianic Jew....LOL .......I am not ashamed of the gospel and Jesus anymore than I ashamed of Torah Observant and the NEW halachot of LAW in Messianic Judeo Adherence philosophy in Moshiach. Uniqueness and Distiveness is the key.

Alcheim Shalom

Eben

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Shalom & LOL EA. Bless my wrinkled parchments, you Jerusalemites are just so used to controversy and carrying a rifle, you just pass over the little things like a Calvinist and an Arminian in a foxhole, :amen: ?

I'll take the risk of a public display, but one of our (CF) Jewish folk wanted to post here and I was trying to help with my understanding of what the site allows and encourages. I think we might both be out of line in the forum, but I'm not exactly sure since all discussion came to a rather abrupt halt and I couldn't wrap my little head around any silent clarity on the matter.

I've frequently visited Congregation Beth Hallel with Rabbi Solomon in Atlanta, but I'm not a practicing Messianic apart from respecting the Biblical holy days.

If you haven't read either of the OP listings, is there a recent book you might recommend on dealing with current issues in Messianic congregations, some of which are understandably quite sensitive?

:hug: (There's a pastor in our communion who insists on greeting one another with a holy kiss, which is not so bad once you get used to it, and I've been a few places that make a point of foot washings.)

[Eben Abram]

Shalom Alecheim

From the Frozen Chosen in Alaska to the Overt Covert in Jerusalem I am not there now but lost in a Boston Tea Party getting ready to kaddish for a family member.

Speaking or Arms and Calves How are we dressing the Body of messiah now days? LOL

My hermaneutic and homiletic is assured and when I am not drash and talmund I love a good round of lets play body parts and how would a vein recognize a nerve ending and should the bowels be telling the Brains what to beleive in?

hehehe

I really don't know all the Regs here but I am aware that if you go to Yahoo Messianic_Apologetic:- (archives, subscribe, adjust your settings)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic
Subscribe - Messianic_Apologetic-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe - Messianic_Apologetic-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

I have seen alot of Hot Topics fly by that group and I think an old poster who has been around the Movement since the Early days is the Moderator/person in charge....I am not sure because I have been gone for a few years on a Shabbes of sorts as My Jewish Wife searching for her roots decided to deny her faith in Messiah and go Orthodox as a single woman...

Eventually after talking to G-d about it and reviewing and restudying Gomer I let her go to follow her dreams.

But before that...,

Lets just say I stood eye to eye with a well known famous Orthodox Rabbi who proceeded over the get and we argued without me revelaing her "hidden Faith" or me admiting or denying mine and managed to have G-d put everyone who could speak Englsh laughing and the chief rabbi......ahhhhhh....Not at peace.

They Wanted me to grant the get based on my own decision to free my wife by breaking my vow and they said breaking a vow was permissible if they In orthodoxy ordered it.

I asked the rabbi, If I made the Vow before G-d alone and now they ordered me to break the Vow (not willing to admit I would be the vow breaker alone) Would they be there to make a Vow for me? And Stand with me if I break the Vow?

In case your wondering.....it's a common ploy for the uneducated Orthodox Jew who does not know His Faith that a rabbi to "make peace" will choose the lesser of two wrongs even if both are wrong.

Soooooo Why Do I say this?

If I promote a book I will take away from your search in some ways but I suspect you have more relevant an issue than a book on sensitive subjects because in seeking there really is no subject too sensitive, but people want to point to a book and say if the writer were at fault....this is what I learned without ownership to stand and to beleive on thier own accord based on carefl study and application.

Individual Circumstances in old Judaism was determined sometimes by a knowledgable Rabbi who lived WITH the person who was seeking the Answer so the Teacher and the Seeker would both determine if the information was understood and applied corrrectly.

In Messianic Movement you will find a pletheura of Authorship and marketing with fluff and error and some real meat.

But a person finds what they are looking ;-) Do you really know what that means?

Foot Washing and Kissing are not exclusive to Messianic or Christendom and I have been kissed more in Boston amoung the Elderly than I was in Russian Orthodox in Oregon and Jewish Russian Immigrants in Talpiyot.

Culture I think you are asking and not Religious practice.

Or is there more to your question?

Alecheim Shalom

Eben Abram

[ContraMundum]

Shalom & LOL EA. Bless my wrinkled parchments, you Jerusalemites are just so used to controvery and carrying a rifle, you just pass over the little things like a Calvinist and an Arminian in a foxhole, :amen: ?

I'll take the risk of a public display, but one of our (CF) Jewish folk wanted to post here and I was trying to help with my understanding of what the site allows and encourages. I think we might both be out of line in the forum, but I'm not exactly sure since all discussion came to a rather abrupt halt and I couldn't wrap my little head around any silent clarity on the matter.

I've frequently visited Congregation Beth Hallel with Rabbi Solomon in Atlanta, but I'm not a practicing Messianic apart from respecting the Biblical holy days.

If you haven't read either of the OP listings, is there a recent book you might recommend on dealing with current issues in Messianic congregations, some of which are understandably quite sensitive?

:hug: (There's a pastor in our communion who insists on greeting one another with a holy kiss, which is not so bad once you get used to it, and I've been a few places that make a point of foot washings.)
Brother,

The only book I can recommend for you is "The Enduring Paradox. Exploratory Essays in Messianic Judaism" Compiled by Dr John Fischer. See if you can dig it up. It's got some good stuff.

[Ivy]

Ivy still feels that Post-Missionary Messianic Judaism by Mark Kinzer is an excellent book. :) Many Christians want to love Israel and the Jewish people and this book is a good place to start.