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Evangelina
21st November 2006, 08:43 PM
Something reminded me of a reference to vegetarianism being somewhat embraced by the SA in its early stages... I went googling and lo and behold, found the intriguing writing below. Why do I find it intriguing? Because God led me to vegetarianism only a few months after leading me to the Salvation Army :) This isn't intended to imply that all salvationists should turn vegetarian, I thought someone else might find it interesting too!

GENERAL BRAMWELL BOOTH OF THE SALVATION ARMY ON VEGETARIAN DIET:

These passages are taken from a pamphlet written by General Bramwell Booth, former director General of the Salvation Army, and a son of founder General William Booth.

"Here are some of my reasons for doing so (becoming vegetarian):

1. Because I have myself tried a vegetarian diet with the greatest benefit having been for more than 10 years at l time a strict vegetarian.

2. Because according to the Bible God originally intended the food for humans to be vegetarian. (here he quotes Genesis 1:29 "Behold I have given you herb yielding seed. To you it shall be for food.")

3. Because a vegetarian diet is favourable to purity, to chastity,and to perfect control of the appetites and passions which are often a source
of great temptation, especially to the young. (http://www.notmilk.com (http://www.notmilk.com/))

4. Because a vegetarian diet is favourable to robust health and strength. With very few exceptions, and these only confirmed invalids, I believe the people would be stronger....

5. Because tens of thousands of our poor people (could save money).

6. Because a vegetarian diet of wheat, oatmeal and other grains, lentils, peas, beans, nuts and similr food is more than ten times as economical as a flesh diet. Meat contains half its weight in water which has to be paid for as though it were meat. A vegetarian diet, even if we allow cheese, butter and milk will only cost about a quarter as much as a mixed diet of flesh and vegetables.

7. Because a vegetarian diet would stop the enormous waste of all kinds of animal food.

8. Because a vegetarian diet is a great protection against our drinking (this belief of General Booth has been upheld by modern biochemistry research about the relationship of meat and alcohol)....

9. Because a vegetarian diet is favorable to industry and hard work...

10. Because it is proved that life, health, and happiness are all favoroued by a vegetarian diet.**

11. I favour a vegetarian diet because the digestive organs of humans are not well adapted to the use of flesh....

12. Because it is very difficult.. especially in hot weather and warm climates to keep flesh food sweet long enough to cool and eat it and a great deal of meat is eaten after it has begun to decay...

13. Because a great deal of the flesh meat which is supplied for human food is already diseased, and because it is nearly impossible to be sure than any flesh is quite free from the germs of disease. Much common meat, which is often that of old animals, is well known to be sold to the butchers because the animals are sick, or unhealthy. And the best meat is nearly always the flesh meat of young animals who are fattened and killed before the germs of many diseases have had time to develop so as to show themselves. So that many animals re killed, which though believed to be healthy, are really diseased. This is especially the case with calves for veal, young bullocks for beef and with lambs and young pigs.

14. Because I believe that the great increase in consumption and cancer during the last hundred years has been caused by the great increase in the use of animal food, and that a strict vegetarian diet would greatly help to ward off these most terrible and 'incurable' diseases.

15. Because I believe that a flesh diet brings on many very painful diseases, which though not perhaps immediately dangerous to life cause much suffering and loss. I mean such complaints as eczema, constipation, piles, worms, dysentery, severe heaches and the like. A vegetarian would do much to relieve if not cure them.

16 Because of the awful cruelty and terror to which tens of thousands (now billions)of animals killed for human food are subjected in traveling long distance by ship and rail and road to the slaughterhouses of the world. God disapproves of all cruelty whether to man or beast.

17.Because of the terrible cruelties practised for killing animals in many slaughter houses. The whole busines of killing is cruel.. even when it is done with care, and we know that in the case of millions of creatures it is done with very little care. Ten thousand pigs are killed for food every hour in Europe alone. (Now Oscar Mayer kills 1100 pigs an hour at their Madison Wisconsin plant.)

18. Because the occupation of slaughtering animals is brutalising to those who are required to do the work. "The highest sentiments of humane men" says a certain writer, and I agree with him, "revolt at the cruelty, the degrading sights, the distressing cries, the perpetual bloodshed, and all the attendant horrors which must surround the transit and slaughter of suffering creatures." *

19. Because a flesh diet is not necessary to hard work. A great part of the work of the world is done by animals which subsist on vegetable food.. namely, horses, mules, camels, oxen, etc. I believe this matter is well worthy the serious consideration of Christian leaders. It has an important bearing not only on their own health and happiness but upon their influence among the people, as men and women who are free from the bondage of that selfish gratification which so often afflicts the professed servants of Christ. Let us remember the Apostle's direction: 'Whether ye eat or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.' "

(published by the LVS 53 Marloes Rd. Kensington London UK WCool
Source (http://www.mail-archive.com/all-vegans-unite@yahoogroups.com/msg00250.html)

JoshuaCh1v9
22nd November 2006, 02:33 AM
Yikes!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Evangelina
22nd November 2006, 02:36 AM
So you don't like ALL the TSA trivia I come up with, then? :D

JoshuaCh1v9
22nd November 2006, 04:16 AM
So you don't like ALL the TSA trivia I come up with, then? :D

Actually I was at eating a bacon sandwich as I read it:D

Evangelina
22nd November 2006, 07:40 AM
:d

Abiel
22nd November 2006, 02:44 PM
There is a vegetarian reading of the book of Job I believe...

Gwen'sMom
22nd November 2006, 03:16 PM
I have been pondering vegetarianism for awhile. Very interesting reading.

Evangelina
22nd November 2006, 06:20 PM
There is a vegetarian reading of the book of Job I believe...
Hmmm... mind explaining a bit further? :scratch:

Evangelina
22nd November 2006, 08:33 PM
I have been pondering vegetarianism for awhile. Very interesting reading.
If you have any queries about the nutrition side of things, give me a yell. Or if you want recipes ;)

JoshuaCh1v9
23rd November 2006, 06:50 AM
Personally I prefer the passage of Scripture where the Lord spread that sheet before Peter and told him to eat.:yum:

Evangelina
23rd November 2006, 06:25 PM
Personally I prefer the passage of Scripture where the Lord spread that sheet before Peter and told him to eat.:yum:
Yum yum, raw unprepared meat... :P

TheDag
23rd November 2006, 06:41 PM
Personally I prefer the passage of Scripture where the Lord spread that sheet before Peter and told him to eat.:yum:
Does that mean we can now have a debate as to what that passage means!

Evangelina
23rd November 2006, 07:56 PM
Does that mean we can now have a debate as to what that passage means!
Now why would we need to do that, when Peter himself explained it? :)

TheDag
24th November 2006, 04:02 AM
Now why would we need to do that, when Peter himself explained it? :)

Awww your no fun! :P

Evangelina
24th November 2006, 07:16 AM
Awww your no fun! :P
I'm PLENTY of fun, and you know it! ;)

JoshuaCh1v9
25th November 2006, 05:50 AM
Does that mean we can now have a debate as to what that passage means!


Only if we can have a Bar BQ first:yum:

With chops and steak and burgers and sauasages.....:yum: :yum:

Evangelina
25th November 2006, 07:09 AM
Only if we can have a Bar BQ first:yum:

With chops and steak and burgers and sauasages.....:yum: :yum:
:sick: :D

whyperion
1st December 2006, 10:05 PM
do we worry about what to eat , or where our next meal is coming from. Is meat OK because you can catch it , kill it and cook it quite quickly , ( whereas it takes about a year of hard graft and processing to get a few handfuls of beans ) . Or is the idea now of 'slow food' mean that the time to live , and work , communially and provide for one anothers needs from the land a better way to provide time to meet with one another , talk and worship God?
In the 'richer' (moneywise west ) most food is produced on an industrial scale , which means that as christians we should make a considered choice on what ( and how much ) we eat . In other places we would not have the luxury of this choice.

SallyAnn
18th December 2006, 05:29 AM
Why would we have been given this scripture after the flood then?
(Genesis 9:3 MSG)
All living creatures are yours for food; just as I gave you the plants, now I give you everything else.

Evangelina
18th December 2006, 07:25 AM
Why would we have been given this scripture after the flood then?
(Genesis 9:3 MSG)
All living creatures are yours for food; just as I gave you the plants, now I give you everything else.


I would disagree with anyone who states that eating meat is outright wrong according to the bible. It's clearly allowed, and possibly mandated (Passover meal comes to mind) as the norm. Jesus seems to have eaten meat... he's definitely recorded as eating fish in the Gospels.

That said... I think a vegetarian diet aligns quite closely with biblical principles - especially today, with feedlots etc - and is often healthier than non-veg. I'm not trying to tell y'all what to do, but to share some SA history that most people don't know about ;)

Gwen'sMom
18th December 2006, 01:36 PM
It is very interesting Evangelina. I think I may begin eating this way in the new year, kinda a healthy present for myself. But I need to start liking vegetables!! I used to be an unhealthy vegetarian. I didn't eat meat but I didn't eat good stuff either!!

Victrixa
25th December 2006, 07:31 PM
Interesting. :)

Gwen's Mom, to be vegetarian is to first and foremost eat a lot of vegetables. :)

I feel a call to go nearly (not totally) vegetarian...

Evangelina
25th December 2006, 09:46 PM
Vegies are wonderful if cooked well... and horrible if cooked badly! :) I used to hate a number of vegies, till I discovered that it was mum's cooking, not the vegie's fault! BTW, I got 'The Vegetarian Bible' for xmas - yay! :) Full of useful info and recipes.

Victrixa
26th December 2006, 09:01 PM
Veggies, if one wants them cooked - well they shouldn't be cooked as when they are they lose most of their nutrients and vitamins - it's better to just heat them through vapour using, for example, a steam flower. When veggies are 'vapoured' (is that a word, lol), they don't lose too many nutrients and remain crunchy.

The idea of eating veggies is to eat their nutrients, vitamins and fibers.... ;)

Evangelina
27th December 2006, 09:21 AM
Mmmm... I've seen a couple of studies claiming that the higher heat involved in steaming actually kills more nutrients than gentle boiling or frying... ever noticed it's near-impossible to get scientists to agree on 'facts'? :)

But yep, I prefer gentle heating for most of my vegies... I usually go organic too. I grew up with a lot of home-grown vegies, and just can't get used to standard supermarket fare :x

Victrixa
28th December 2006, 03:20 AM
Mmmm... I've seen a couple of studies claiming that the higher heat involved in steaming actually kills more nutrients than gentle boiling or frying...

It's quite possible! :scratch:


ever noticed it's near-impossible to get scientists to agree on 'facts'?

Yes!!!! :mad: It gets confusing after a while... :help:

Better eat our veggies raw! :D :cool:

SDA14
14th December 2007, 09:10 PM
ok