stone
21st November 2006, 01:34 PM
Who is believed to have written Psalm 138?
138:1 I will praise thee with my whole heart: before the gods will I sing praise unto thee.
138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
138:3 In the day when I cried thou answeredst me, and strengthenedst me with strength in my soul.
138:4 All the kings of the earth shall praise thee, O LORD, when they hear the words of thy mouth.
138:5 Yea, they shall sing in the ways of the LORD: for great is the glory of the LORD.
138:6 Though the LORD be high, yet hath he respect unto the lowly: but the proud he knoweth afar off.
138:7 Though I walk in the midst of trouble, thou wilt revive me: thou shalt stretch forth thine hand against the wrath of mine enemies, and thy right hand shall save me.
138:8 The LORD will perfect that which concerneth me: thy mercy, O LORD, endureth for ever: forsake not the works of thine own hands.
HadassahSukkot
21st November 2006, 03:31 PM
Most bibles have the following in them: [[[A Psalm] of David.]]
From what I can see in the bible in Hebrew, it's also showing "David" as being the person speaking in this psalm.
קרפ םילהת .ךרמזא םיהלא דגנ יבל-לכב ךדוא דודל 1
stone
21st November 2006, 04:42 PM
That what i was thinking, that its credited to David, but it couldn't be, with this written within it:
I will worship toward thy holy temple,
stone
21st November 2006, 04:51 PM
22 And Solomon stood before the altar of the LORD in the presence of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands toward heaven:
23 And he said, LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath, who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servants that walk before thee with all their heart:
24 Who hast kept with thy servant David my father that thou promisedst him: thou spakest also with thy mouth, and hast fulfilled it with thine hand, as it is this day.
25 Therefore now, LORD God of Israel, keep with thy servant David my father that thou promisedst him, saying, There shall not fail thee a man in my sight to sit on the throne of Israel; so that thy children take heed to their way, that they walk before me as thou hast walked before me.
26 And now, O God of Israel, let thy word, I pray thee, be verified, which thou spakest unto thy servant David my father.
27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
28 Yet have thou respect unto the prayer of thy servant, and to his supplication, O LORD my God, to hearken unto the cry and to the prayer, which thy servant prayeth before thee to day:
29 That thine eyes may be open toward this house night and day, even toward the place of which thou hast said, My name shall be there: that thou mayest hearken unto the prayer which thy servant shall make toward this place.
30 And hearken thou to the supplication of thy servant, and of thy people Israel, when they shall pray toward this place: and hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place: and when thou hearest, forgive.
31 If any man trespass against his neighbour, and an oath be laid upon him to cause him to swear, and the oath come before thine altar in this house:
32 Then hear thou in heaven, and do, and judge thy servants, condemning the wicked, to bring his way upon his head; and justifying the righteous, to give him according to his righteousness.
33 When thy people Israel be smitten down before the enemy, because they have sinned against thee, and shall turn again to thee, and confess thy name, and pray, and make supplication unto thee in this house:
34 Then hear thou in heaven, and forgive the sin of thy people Israel, and bring them again unto the land which thou gavest unto their fathers.
35 When heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou afflictest them:
36 Then hear thou in heaven, and forgive the sin of thy servants, and of thy people Israel, that thou teach them the good way wherein they should walk, and give rain upon thy land, which thou hast given to thy people for an inheritance.
37 If there be in the land famine, if there be pestilence, blasting, mildew, locust, or if there be caterpiller; if their enemy besiege them in the land of their cities; whatsoever plague, whatsoever sickness there be;
38 What prayer and supplication soever be made by any man, or by all thy people Israel, which shall know every man the plague of his own heart, and spread forth his hands toward this house:
39 Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;)
40 That they may fear thee all the days that they live in the land which thou gavest unto our fathers.
41 Moreover concerning a stranger, that is not of thy people Israel, but cometh out of a far country for thy name's sake;
42 (For they shall hear of thy great name, and of thy strong hand, and of thy stretched out arm;) when he shall come and pray toward this house;
43 Hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and do according to all that the stranger calleth to thee for: that all people of the earth may know thy name, to fear thee, as do thy people Israel; and that they may know that this house, which I have builded, is called by thy name.
44 If thy people go out to battle against their enemy, whithersoever thou shalt send them, and shall pray unto the LORD toward the city which thou hast chosen, and toward the house that I have built for thy name:
45 Then hear thou in heaven their prayer and their supplication, and maintain their cause.
46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;
47 Yet if they shall bethink themselves in the land whither they were carried captives, and repent, and make supplication unto thee in the land of them that carried them captives, saying, We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have committed wickedness;
48 And so return unto thee with all their heart, and with all their soul, in the land of their enemies, which led them away captive, and pray unto thee toward their land, which thou gavest unto their fathers, the city which thou hast chosen, and the house which I have built for thy name:
49 Then hear thou their prayer and their supplication in heaven thy dwelling place, and maintain their cause,
50 And forgive thy people that have sinned against thee, and all their transgressions wherein they have transgressed against thee, and give them compassion before them who carried them captive, that they may have compassion on them:
51 For they be thy people, and thine inheritance, which thou broughtest forth out of Egypt, from the midst of the furnace of iron:
52 That thine eyes may be open unto the supplication of thy servant, and unto the supplication of thy people Israel, to hearken unto them in all that they call for unto thee.
53 For thou didst separate them from among all the people of the earth, to be thine inheritance, as thou spakest by the hand of Moses thy servant, when thou broughtest our fathers out of Egypt, O Lord GOD.
HadassahSukkot
21st November 2006, 04:54 PM
ok, but we know that where the temple should have been, and that David had the Tabernacle moved..
The Hebrew Tanakh has "L'Dovid" in the first verse of 138... so i'm sufficently confused.
I doubt it's Shlomo speaking in David's stead, because it would say so, wouldn't it?
stone
21st November 2006, 04:55 PM
point being that Solomon made a covenant with the l-rd concerning Israel, and the praying in the direction of temple. It doesn't make any sense for David to write of praying towards the temple, since there was not one and the covenant concerning praying towards the temple was not made till after Davids death.
I'm thinking it could be Nehemiah.
stone
21st November 2006, 05:20 PM
i keep forgetting the open these, :doh: I'll message a mod
Eben Abram
21st November 2006, 08:45 PM
Shalom Alechem
Psalms 138:2 Aben Ezra and Kimchi both Jewish Sages of thier time ascribe and are more than convinced as well as ALOT of Judaism and Christianity, that David wrote this.
The simple answer given by Kimchi and Aben Ezra state David looked to the Tabernacle and Jewish Mysticism Writers hold that David looked to Heaven.
The Mystical writers may be a bit much for scripture study but they have a point about what david might have looked at.
Who laid out the Plans for the temple? David. In fact the Preparations were made by David and the later building responsible to Solomon as He (some debate) added to what David desired.
But the Ark is the Temple for it is the Housing so to speak of the Shekinah and the tabernacle WAS present before the "House for the L-rd" was built......
A great question is......is the Temple greater than the Tabernacle?
Another I propose is....Did G-d compromise by building a Temple when a Tabernacle was always in the midst of the People and symbolically fulfiled and was closer to the heavenly theme than the Temple.
Nehemiah I have never heard as a possible writer to this Psalm but I suppose a dated commentary presupposing the rebuilding could make a case for it .
Jewish Scholars and Christian both agree on it's authenticity and it's application as well as explanation and seem in accord on it's veracity.
I, personally, don't ONLY stand on centuries of scholastic debate and arguement even from Judaism, but I find I do agree with this writing with the Name and the history and the application and the Intent all flowing smoothly.
So I stand for David by Inspiration writing both in His time and looking forward to the time, looking at the Tabernacle and looking at his Plans and looking up to heaven.
Psam 138? I'll go with David.
Alechei Shalom
Eben
ChavaK
22nd November 2006, 02:40 AM
ok, but we know that where the temple should have been, and that David had the Tabernacle moved..
The Hebrew Tanakh has "L'Dovid" in the first verse of 138... so i'm sufficently confused.
I doubt it's Shlomo speaking in David's stead, because it would say so, wouldn't it?
L' has more than one meaning...besides "to" , it may
also mean "by" or "for"....the Tehillim I looked in all
say "by David" and indicate that he is the author...
stone
22nd November 2006, 01:57 PM
It just kinda sticks out to me, because of the scripture i posted, but it does also say he is singing before the l-rd, but then again, don't we all?
Just something i'll stick away into my memory banks and move on. :thumbsup: