A Catholic person was talking with me on MSN

[RichardT]

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/1253/catholicconfirmationrr7.jpg

Do they do this in all Catholic churches?

[mesue]

Yes, at all confirmations this is a "vow" that is made.
It isn't a vow to God but a vow to the Roman Catholic church. To "get around this", so to speak. The word "catholic" means world wide church (not merely Roman Catholic) This makes him free to leave the Roman Catholic Church if he so chose. My husband made that "vow" when h was 18 years old and my son made that "vow" when he was 18. We are now Baptist. Our vows are to God and God alone.

[RichardT]

Here's the image if you couldn't see it.

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/1253/catholicconfirmationrr7.jpg

[RichardT]

Yes, at all confirmations this is a "vow" that is made.
It isn't a vow to God but a vow to the Roman Catholic church. To "get around this", so to speak. The word "catholic" means world wide church (not merely Roman Catholic) This makes him free to leave the Roman Catholic Church if he so chose. My husband made that "vow" when h was 18 years old and my son made that "vow" when he was 18. We are now Baptist. Our vows are to God and God alone.

I don't think so.

[mesue]

I don't think so.
You don't think ... What?
That these are vows? That the word catholic means world wide church? That my husband and son made their confirmations? That we're Baptist?

[RichardT]

You don't think ... What?
That these are vows? That the word catholic means world wide church? That my husband and son made their confirmations? That we're Baptist?

The person told me that she had to make a vow to stay in the Catholic(TM) Church. And I doubt that when Catholics tell them to make a vow to say that they mean the "universal" church. Unless you can get me some references...

[mesue]

The person told me that she had to make a vow to stay in the Catholic(TM) Church. And I doubt that when Catholics tell them to make a vow to say that they mean the "universal" church. Unless you can get me some references...
Oh, you are absolutely right. The vow is to the Roman Catholic Church. But ask any Roman Catholic what the word Catholic means, and they'll tell you "world wide church" Therein lies the loop hole for your friend ;)

[RichardT]

Oh, you are absolutely right. The vow is to the Roman Catholic Church. But ask any Roman Catholic what the word Catholic means, and they'll tell you "world wide church" Therein lies the loop hole for your friend ;)

Lol. Alright.

[RichardT]

What is a s****? :confused:

I know, I couldn't figure it myself either lol

[Gear853]

i have a feeling is a bad word =|

[RichardT]

Oh, it means satan! I understand now.

[UBERROGO]

1. why cant you write out the word satan? is that also against this forums rules?

2. why would someone make a pact with satan?

[InnerPhyre]

Yea this is something that all Catholics do. I did it in 8th grade when I was confirmed in the Roman Church, though it's sort of different than this guy is thinking. It's basically the point where you are at the age where you can make the decision for yourself as to whether or not you want to be a part of the RC faith and so it's like a statement before God that "yes this is what I want...to follow the RC faith."

With me...it obviously didn't take, but I didn't know any better back then seeing as how I was 12 years old and had no idea what the Orthodox Church was, much less that I would join it one day. When I joined the Orthodox Church, I was asked to renounce the false beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church and did so.

[Tonks]

I trust that Matthan is not implying that Catholics that are Confirmed are making a promise to Satan. Further, it seems to be implied with several other posts in the thread.

[Myfanwy]

When I joined the Orthodox Church, I was asked to renounce the false beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church and did so.

What false beliefs? I am intrigued to know what the Orthodox Church would consider to be false beliefs of the Roman Church. As far as I was aware, the Orthodox and Catholic Churches are in agreement about most things (except Papal infallibility).

[hsilgne]

But ask any Roman Catholic what the word Catholic means, and they'll tell you "world wide church" Therein lies the loop hole for your friend ;)

If you ask this Catholic, I'll tell you it means Universal.

My guess is most Catholics would say the same.... since that is the definition.

Don't believe me? Go to OBOB and ask. My guess is 100% of the replies you get will be...

catholic = universal.

Where do you people get this stuff??

Anywho...

God bless you all.

[zhilan]

What false beliefs? I am intrigued to know what the Orthodox Church would consider to be false beliefs of the Roman Church. As far as I was aware, the Orthodox and Catholic Churches are in agreement about most things (except Papal infallibility).
There are many difference. Papal Infalliblity, Purgatory, the Immaculate Conception, Original Sin to name a few.

[Veritas]

Sadly, there appears to be a lot of misinformation about what the sacrament of Confirmation actually is. I've included a link with scripture and commentary from the Early Church Father's on the subject.

http://www.catholic.com/library/Confirmation.asp

The sacrament of confirmation is found in Bible passages such as Acts 8:14–17, 9:17, 19:6, and Hebrews 6:2, which speak of a laying on of hands for the purpose of bestowing the Holy Spirit.

[Da_Funkey_Gibbon]

There are many difference. Papal Infalliblity, Purgatory, the Immaculate Conception, Original Sin to name a few.
Pretty much anything that was defined as a dogma/doctrine after the 11th century. ;) :P

[InnerPhyre]

What false beliefs? I am intrigued to know what the Orthodox Church would consider to be false beliefs of the Roman Church. As far as I was aware, the Orthodox and Catholic Churches are in agreement about most things (except Papal infallibility).
Papal infallibility, the Immaculate Conception of Mary, the Roman Catholic view of Original Sin are the major ones that we vehemently disagree with.

The differences between Orthodoxy and RCism are vast, however. We do many things that are similar to what Catholics do and believe things that seem similar, but under the microscope, these beliefs can be seen to be quite different.

We believe the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ, but we reject the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation (that the bread and wine keep their "accidental properties" that make them still look and taste like bread and wine but change their "substantive properties" which actually make them body and blood.

We have different views of the confession of sins and several other sacraments as well. Our general attitude toward worship and our life in Christ is different as well. We don't separate sins into categories of mortal and venial and as a result we approach sin from a much different standpoint. Whereas the RC system tends to place more emphasis on the legal matters of sinning and doing pennance, we place more emphasis on what we call "Theosis" which means essentially becoming more and more like God by imitating Jesus Christ.

[Myfanwy]

We believe the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ, but we reject the Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation (that the bread and wine keep their "accidental properties" that make them still look and taste like bread and wine but change their "substantive properties" which actually make them body and blood.

I thought that you believe in consubstantiation. Is that what you have described here?

[stray bullet]

I thought that you believe in consubstantiation. Is that what you have described here?

Orthodox do not define it with a word. However, their view reflects the Catholic view, which is of transubstantiation.

[mesue]

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