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chris777

18th November 2006, 01:41 AM

zhilan

18th November 2006, 02:37 AM

I am also pro-life womb to tomb. Good for you. Sometimes it seems we're a rare bread. =)

chris777

18th November 2006, 02:57 AM

But that was not the only doctrine I read in the scriptures.

I do not believe in many things that are followed that most consider harmless.

ExtremeDays

18th November 2006, 03:53 PM

I am struggling with how I cant seem to find a group of believers that believe "mostly" as I do.

I realize I am not going to line up 100 % But their are major doctrines I have issue with.

Just as an example.
Take abortion/ capital punishment
most pro choicers are for abortion anti capital punishment
and most pro life seem to be anti abortion, and pro capital punishment.

I am pro life, under all circumstances, and I do not believe in capital punishment, as a christian.

This is just one example, But it seems to fit all the others as well.
Like rapture, I do not find it scriptural.
Should I join a church that I disagree with on these fundamental type issues?

I am open to someone showing me scripture I might have missed, that may be clouding my understanding on a doctrine, But so far no one has shown me any.

Their are other issues, but again the main issue is having disagreements on some pretty major doctrines, with nearly every denomination I am aware of , and I do not know how to reconcile it.

My criteria for a church is one I feel like I can send a lost person to, and feel like they will be taught well, and not led astray .

Since Gods word says we are to assemble or be in fellowship, I think we should find a church period. The one we attend should be in line with our beliefs on fundamentals and "main issues". All the other minor issues might not line up.It's true, there is no perfect church.

I can understand about not wanting to guide someone else into a wrong place, that is a very responsible way to look at it.Especially with a new believer, the fundamentals are so important

We have to trust that God will guide believers into truth about all the issues that concern Christian life.I think if we guide someone to a church where the fundamentals and main issues are correct, we shouldn't take it upon ourselves to worry about every other position.

Unlike what another poster said, I do think the rapture might have a place in picking a church. This is because it's something that is often preached and taught about (unlike capital punishment which is hardly ever mentioned) in services. In a sense, teaching on this might be bigger than that of just the rapture but may encompass how a church views part of God's nature: "a loving God wouldn't allow his children to go through the tribulation" or "even though God loves us he allows his children to go through trials and takes them through sufferings".
This can show up in teachings in general about what God would or wouldn't allow His children to go through.

I think abortion has a place in which church to pick because it (and other issues like homosexuality) is connected to a greater and even more important issue- sin and how we deal with sin.How a church/denomination views these things is affected by what they teach about sin, how they teach you are to view it and deal with it.This is a serious thing to consider.

MrJim

18th November 2006, 04:48 PM

chris777

20th November 2006, 01:52 AM

Ya might want to stop around the anabaptist forum, we tend to be a completely pro-life group (one of the reasons we moved out of the baptist forum was over the death penalty). Also premil rapture teaching isn't a distinctive. Stop around sometime.
Ill check it out

Wel thats part of why I feel the way I do, I had a co worker that just shunned me when I said I didnt believe in the Rapture, and things were never the same since. My problem, is I do not want to cause division in the church, if I speak out on certain doctrines I feel do not line up with scripture. little things I tolerate, big things, I just dont know how to handle. the church I have been attending is hungry for workers, I am not going to compromise the scriptures to fit in, unless they prove me wrong, in what I read. I try to test all things, but I am open to rebuke. But this church has had divisions in the past, And it is not my aim to cause more, thats my concern.

Since Gods word says we are to assemble or be in fellowship, I think we should find a church period. The one we attend should be in line with our beliefs on fundamentals and "main issues". All the other minor issues might not line up.It's true, there is no perfect church.

I can understand about not wanting to guide someone else into a wrong place, that is a very responsible way to look at it.Especially with a new believer, the fundamentals are so important

We have to trust that God will guide believers into truth about all the issues that concern Christian life.I think if we guide someone to a church where the fundamentals and main issues are correct, we shouldn't take it upon ourselves to worry about every other position.

Unlike what another poster said, I do think the rapture might have a place in picking a church. This is because it's something that is often preached and taught about (unlike capital punishment which is hardly ever mentioned) in services. In a sense, teaching on this might be bigger than that of just the rapture but may encompass how a church views part of God's nature: "a loving God wouldn't allow his children to go through the tribulation" or "even though God loves us he allows his children to go through trials and takes them through sufferings".
This can show up in teachings in general about what God would or wouldn't allow His children to go through.

I think abortion has a place in which church to pick because it (and other issues like homosexuality) is connected to a greater and even more important issue- sin and how we deal with sin.How a church/denomination views these things is affected by what they teach about sin, how they teach you are to view it and deal with it.This is a serious thing to consider.

Well you have summed up my feelings well, other than I do not wish to further fracture the church, But I will not compromise it to false doctrine either.

No Swansong

20th November 2006, 02:00 PM

You will be in my prayers. By the way how do you feel about scripture?

marke

20th November 2006, 02:05 PM

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Where does that come from? Of course doctrine matters.

I don't want to hobnob with a bunch of people who happen to call themselves "Christians" and then live their lives in error and teach other people to follow wrong teaching too.

There is a reason many are called, but few are chosen and I encourage the poster to keep his high standards and stay away from those who would rather corrupt the word of God than conform themselves to the Word.

Take killing another human being for example. Many "Christians" think it is OK, but it isn't. I don't care to hang out with people who when confronted with the fact that not a single line of NT scripture agrees with their assertion and what scripture there is on the subject is opposed to their position, they refuse to change their opinion.

No, don't hang out with the country club set who mingle with those who practice wrong teaching. Stay away.

It is better to read the word of God alone than be guided to the wrong conclusions by the majority.

Hang in there. Trust God to light your way.

God bless.

cubanito

20th November 2006, 03:43 PM

cubanito

22nd November 2006, 02:02 AM

Well, I can feel those flames despite my asbestos overcoat, and I'm just standing around...

Now back to our cult underground...

chris777

22nd November 2006, 01:37 PM

May I suggest you post a simple checklist of what u believe is most crucial? Perhaps u can get better helP.

I am anti-abortion and equivocal on the death penalty.

JR

That's better HELP, not helt, although it seems in the next post u get better hel_ from someone aquainted with the Black Sabbath

I am anti secular,
(easter=isthar, Christmas=yule and other pagan ilk, halloween=samhaim)
Culture is really a covert method of allowing many pagan beliefs, and practices into the faith , Some are tolerable some not
I do not believe we are required to use the ways and methods of the world in order to reach the lost, at least when it involves imitating their music, and methods, particulary when they are in conflict with scripture
I am also anti fiction, it is somethig I have repented of, but had planned on devoting my life to. Star wars, lord of the rings, harry potter, narnia, Matrix, ET, Superman, many call them modern myths, apparently forgetting that the pagan "myths" were WORSHIPPED
I see it as a subtle attack on the true Gospel, including the workd of tolken, and Lewis, in that When i was purely pagan, I had no IDEA of their alleged "christian" roots, and neither did many of the other pagans i associated with, to supporters of them i ask How can one preach the gospel, without the gospel?
As for the rest, they all take elements of christianity, much the same way the pagan religions did, and use them in an attempt to tear down the truth of Christ, and transform it into an Imagining. the scripture tells us to cast down imaginings.

I am anti pre tribulation
I just find way too many scriptural examples against it, both old and new testaments, that in comparison to the relative hand ful of
" supporting " scriptures, that I can no more reconcile it, than i can Gods approval of homosexuality, by the same misrepresentation of his word.
I am anti, war, violence,death penalty, and abortion.
We are called to preach the gospel to all nations, I do not see how we can do so, if we kill those , to whom we are to preach the
GOOD NEWS to. As to the scriptures calling the government Gods instrument then I agree, BUT I do no see how a Christian can reconcile PARTICIPATION in such activites, and remaining true to Gods instruction for us to love our neighbors, if we are to TRUELY have a seperation of church ,and state, then How can a Christian participate in the very state we are to be seperated from?
Bush is a prime example, he caters to the people, not God.
Mohammed is not, nor ever was a prophet, of God, yet bush has spoke this faleshood many times.
Not to mention the very war he started, has resulted in the destruction of a government ordained of God, resulting in a state of anarchy, which is no law, and confustion, who is the author of confusion?
As for aborton, John leapt in the womb, in recognition of Christ in marys womb. I think that should be sufficent.
Vengance is Gods alone, its not our place to take it from him.

I noticed the church I have been attending stand and pledge their allegance to the Flag of the US, then to the Christian, Flag, and then to the Bible, i nthat order, I find something wrong, and quite frankly offencive in that. I also ask how we can pledge allegance to any nation, when the kingdom we truely belong to is not of this world, and our King himself said he had no place to lay his head while he himself was in this kingdom.

I have also a conflict, both with the Church, and my own family, (the local church) in that I have an uncle who is a freemason, who is also a decon (among others) at the church. My research into the group and their beliefs, is not reconcilable with the scriptures, yet many see no harm in it. I am unsure how to deal with this situation, because I feel that most attempts would cause division in both the church, and my own family.

I do not believe in reverencing Preachers, such as Martin Luther, Billy Graham, and as yet another example Mel Gibson. They had the appearance of Good, yet all spewed venom, AFTER they were proported, to have repented, and became examples of Christ. Yet they are venerated, as saints. Martin Luther, also troubles me i n that I Feel that Seperation, from the Chruch, may have caused more harm, than Good, in that the seperation continues to Fracture the church, and that is the reason, I dont just hastily run off and start up a new church, like many do, as I feel its not the will of God to shatter the body more so than it already has been.

I believe in the literal interpretation of both the old and new testaments, and Call things such as evolution, and the mytholigising of the scripture, satanic, in that satanism in definition is the opposition to God. But then again I ultimately call all false religions ultimately satanism as well. If we are not For Christ, then who else does that leave us for?
Evolution only works in the imaginings of those that believe it. It Cannot function without the pre existance of a great many variables, amny of which it just assumes.
As for scriptural competition, Moses neither witnessed, the creation, or the Flood, yet was Chosen of God, to Scribe them, this is Confirmed, by our Savior himself. so unless Christ is not whom I pray we all believe he IS then all extant examples, that predate the scriptures, IE gilgamesh, are infact satanicly inspired, to cast doubt on Gods word. Modern SECULAR interpretation, and belief is that the order it is written is the order, it happened, plus the modern belief that "fireside storytelling" Predates, and is the foundation of writing itself, deeply influences this false thinking, which is inspired by evolutionary thought, which itself is not all that far removed from reincarnation, both of which are being "married" into one flesh by the so called new age movements.

This is a brief overview , and simplified, view of my research. and I realize that many will, and (as i have founf on the forums) do disagree But nevertheless, I feel are True, in comparison to Gods word.
Rooting the falsehoods out of the church, is another issue, thought quite related.
IT is NOT my aim to further cause division i nthe church, which is why i whithhold my views, fro many, because they take personal offence, and anger quickly. and I am also open to scriptural examples if I am Wrong. But so far, I have found few.
I realy don't know if its a good idea to post this, because I know how people tend to take things out of contest, and in my attempt to be brief, I have not gone into a great deal of detail, on these beliefs. Nor have i attempted to list everything, but these are issues i do feel strongly about, because i feel that they affect the salvation of many, in that many are either decieved into falsehood, or they are just killed before recieving the truth..
I hope i am not oppening aq barrel full of worms

TwinCrier

22nd November 2006, 02:48 PM

.:sigh: A fabulous post and me out of rep.

No Swansong

22nd November 2006, 05:43 PM

I am anti secular,
(easter=isthar, Christmas=yule and other pagan ilk, halloween=samhaim)
Culture is really a covert method of allowing many pagan beliefs, and practices into the faith , Some are tolerable some not
I do not believe we are required to use the ways and methods of the world in order to reach the lost, at least when it involves imitating their music, and methods, particulary when they are in conflict with scripture
I am also anti fiction, it is somethig I have repented of, but had planned on devoting my life to. Star wars, lord of the rings, harry potter, narnia, Matrix, ET, Superman, many call them modern myths, apparently forgetting that the pagan "myths" were WORSHIPPED
I see it as a subtle attack on the true Gospel, including the workd of tolken, and Lewis, in that When i was purely pagan, I had no IDEA of their alleged "christian" roots, and neither did many of the other pagans i associated with, to supporters of them i ask How can one preach the gospel, without the gospel?
As for the rest, they all take elements of christianity, much the same way the pagan religions did, and use them in an attempt to tear down the truth of Christ, and transform it into an Imagining. the scripture tells us to cast down imaginings.

I am anti pre tribulation
I just find way too many scriptural examples against it, both old and new testaments, that in comparison to the relative hand ful of
" supporting " scriptures, that I can no more reconcile it, than i can Gods approval of homosexuality, by the same misrepresentation of his word.
I am anti, war, violence,death penalty, and abortion.
We are called to preach the gospel to all nations, I do not see how we can do so, if we kill those , to whom we are to preach the
GOOD NEWS to. As to the scriptures calling the government Gods instrument then I agree, BUT I do no see how a Christian can reconcile PARTICIPATION in such activites, and remaining true to Gods instruction for us to love our neighbors, if we are to TRUELY have a seperation of church ,and state, then How can a Christian participate in the very state we are to be seperated from?
Bush is a prime example, he caters to the people, not God.
Mohammed is not, nor ever was a prophet, of God, yet bush has spoke this faleshood many times.
Not to mention the very war he started, has resulted in the destruction of a government ordained of God, resulting in a state of anarchy, which is no law, and confustion, who is the author of confusion?
As for aborton, John leapt in the womb, in recognition of Christ in marys womb. I think that should be sufficent.
Vengance is Gods alone, its not our place to take it from him.

I noticed the church I have been attending stand and pledge their allegance to the Flag of the US, then to the Christian, Flag, and then to the Bible, i nthat order, I find something wrong, and quite frankly offencive in that. I also ask how we can pledge allegance to any nation, when the kingdom we truely belong to is not of this world, and our King himself said he had no place to lay his head while he himself was in this kingdom.

I have also a conflict, both with the Church, and my own family, (the local church) in that I have an uncle who is a freemason, who is also a decon (among others) at the church. My research into the group and their beliefs, is not reconcilable with the scriptures, yet many see no harm in it. I am unsure how to deal with this situation, because I feel that most attempts would cause division in both the church, and my own family.

I do not believe in reverencing Preachers, such as Martin Luther, Billy Graham, and as yet another example Mel Gibson. They had the appearance of Good, yet all spewed venom, AFTER they were proported, to have repented, and became examples of Christ. Yet they are venerated, as saints. Martin Luther, also troubles me i n that I Feel that Seperation, from the Chruch, may have caused more harm, than Good, in that the seperation continues to Fracture the church, and that is the reason, I dont just hastily run off and start up a new church, like many do, as I feel its not the will of God to shatter the body more so than it already has been.

I believe in the literal interpretation of both the old and new testaments, and Call things such as evolution, and the mytholigising of the scripture, satanic, in that satanism in definition is the opposition to God. But then again I ultimately call all false religions ultimately satanism as well. If we are not For Christ, then who else does that leave us for?
Evolution only works in the imaginings of those that believe it. It Cannot function without the pre existance of a great many variables, amny of which it just assumes.
As for scriptural competition, Moses neither witnessed, the creation, or the Flood, yet was Chosen of God, to Scribe them, this is Confirmed, by our Savior himself. so unless Christ is not whom I pray we all believe he IS then all extant examples, that predate the scriptures, IE gilgamesh, are infact satanicly inspired, to cast doubt on Gods word. Modern SECULAR interpretation, and belief is that the order it is written is the order, it happened, plus the modern belief that "fireside storytelling" Predates, and is the foundation of writing itself, deeply influences this false thinking, which is inspired by evolutionary thought, which itself is not all that far removed from reincarnation, both of which are being "married" into one flesh by the so called new age movements.

This is a brief overview , and simplified, view of my research. and I realize that many will, and (as i have founf on the forums) do disagree But nevertheless, I feel are True, in comparison to Gods word.
Rooting the falsehoods out of the church, is another issue, thought quite related.
IT is NOT my aim to further cause division i nthe church, which is why i whithhold my views, fro many, because they take personal offence, and anger quickly. and I am also open to scriptural examples if I am Wrong. But so far, I have found few.
I realy don't know if its a good idea to post this, because I know how people tend to take things out of contest, and in my attempt to be brief, I have not gone into a great deal of detail, on these beliefs. Nor have i attempted to list everything, but these are issues i do feel strongly about, because i feel that they affect the salvation of many, in that many are either decieved into falsehood, or they are just killed before recieving the truth..
I hope i am not oppening aq barrel full of worms

There is nothing wrong with you sharing your views with us. I welcome your post. I disagree with much of it, but that is beside the point. What I am convinced of however is that you will never find a Church that believes exactly like you. Not that you are specifically strange or anything but because while the Church is the Body of Chirst, Individual churches are composed of human beings who while usually beliving in the same core are diverse in non-essentials. Without meaning to demean anything that you posted I find much of if discussing what I would consider non-essentials.
I will however be sure to keep you in my prayers.

cubanito

22nd November 2006, 06:33 PM

I also welcome your post, Chris777, and agree with some of it, preferring to speak of the half full glass.

At least here I think you'll find some of us are more than willing to discuss your views calmly. Again, I speak of the half full glass.

I do understand your difficulty in finding a home Church. I find your reluctance to openly share some of your views there wise. Very often people get extremely overheated over peripherals.

With some time, if you wish, we could talk over your points one at a time. You presented them well.

At the Church I attend, sometimes I'm refered to as the token heretic, because I too differ markedly at certain points they stress. This is done in love, and even with respect, for after years of attending small groups and such they understand I hold these views with conviction, but yet understand they are peripheral.

You are not alone. In one sense anyone who grapples with Scripture instead of commentaries winds up alone, as they come down on this or that opinion differently. But you are never alone. And you know that.

Hang around and talk with us awhile, and the anabaptists, and the Anglicans.

You may find us not as monolithic as first appears.

JR

scoutswife

24th November 2006, 02:13 PM

I agree with you on alot of things. I too kind not find my place in a church. My husband says I might as well quit looking for a perfect church. I know I will never find a perfect church. I just want to fellowship with People who believe God's word and actually do what He says.

oliveplants

8th December 2006, 10:50 AM

I second Menno's suggestion that you check out the Anabaptists. I'm not sure where they stand on all points, but it does sound as if you would be compatable.

TheGroominator

8th December 2006, 01:25 PM

(as posted by chris777) I noticed the church I have been attending stand and pledge their allegance to the Flag of the US, then to the Christian, Flag, and then to the Bible, i nthat order, I find something wrong, and quite frankly offencive in that. I also ask how we can pledge allegance to any nation, when the kingdom we truely belong to is not of this world, and our King himself said he had no place to lay his head while he himself was in this kingdom.

I agree with what you say in as much as putting the country before God but I disagree on your comment about the pledge. What you say is true but I have no problem with pledging to the nation because I realize that God has given us this country, we are in the time of His grace, to propogate the Good News, the gospel. I also realize that steps must be taken to protect this country because we are not isolated in this world and as we well know, there are people who wish us harm. I proudly stand and pledge my allegiance to the protection of this God-given country. I pray that we do not forget that this country was founded on the unchanging laws of God because if we do, I believe God will find another to do His work.

I have also a conflict, both with the Church, and my own family, (the local church) in that I have an uncle who is a freemason, who is also a decon (among others) at the church. My research into the group and their beliefs, is not reconcilable with the scriptures, yet many see no harm in it. I am unsure how to deal with this situation, because I feel that most attempts would cause division in both the church, and my own family.

We had to deal with the same situation in our church. We had a member who was a member of the Masonic Lodge, he ended up leaving the church. From what I gathered, he felt that the oaths that they take and commitments they make are not taken seriously and only done as rituals. Our preacher tried several times to counsel with him about it from the Bible but the man would have none of it. He felt the good that the Masons do far outweigh any ramifications of being a member.
I had a personal interest in this because my brothers and I spent 4 1/2 years in the Masonic Home for Children iin Alexandria, La. and I felt that I should join the organization as a "Thank You" for what they did for us. But I must say that their practices and the Bible are not compatable. I opted for the Bible. I'm afraid you have a very difficult situation in dealing with your uncle. Talking with a Mason about their organization is almost as bad as trying to talk to a homosexual about their lifestyle. Not that I'm comparing the two but the homosexual gets very angry when you try to talk to them about their lifestyle because as far as they are concerned they are their lifestyle. When you attack one, you attack the other. The same is true with the Mason. If your uncle came to you with questions that would be one thing but if you continue to push he will reject.

eldermike

8th December 2006, 02:14 PM

I am anti secular,
(easter=isthar, Christmas=yule and other pagan ilk, halloween=samhaim)
Culture is really a covert method of allowing many pagan beliefs, and practices into the faith , Some are tolerable some not
I do not believe we are required to use the ways and methods of the world in order to reach the lost, at least when it involves imitating their music, and methods, particulary when they are in conflict with scripture
I am also anti fiction, it is somethig I have repented of, but had planned on devoting my life to. Star wars, lord of the rings, harry potter, narnia, Matrix, ET, Superman, many call them modern myths, apparently forgetting that the pagan "myths" were WORSHIPPED
I see it as a subtle attack on the true Gospel, including the workd of tolken, and Lewis, in that When i was purely pagan, I had no IDEA of their alleged "christian" roots, and neither did many of the other pagans i associated with, to supporters of them i ask How can one preach the gospel, without the gospel?
As for the rest, they all take elements of christianity, much the same way the pagan religions did, and use them in an attempt to tear down the truth of Christ, and transform it into an Imagining. the scripture tells us to cast down imaginings.

I am anti pre tribulation
I just find way too many scriptural examples against it, both old and new testaments, that in comparison to the relative hand ful of
" supporting " scriptures, that I can no more reconcile it, than i can Gods approval of homosexuality, by the same misrepresentation of his word.
I am anti, war, violence,death penalty, and abortion.
We are called to preach the gospel to all nations, I do not see how we can do so, if we kill those , to whom we are to preach the
GOOD NEWS to. As to the scriptures calling the government Gods instrument then I agree, BUT I do no see how a Christian can reconcile PARTICIPATION in such activites, and remaining true to Gods instruction for us to love our neighbors, if we are to TRUELY have a seperation of church ,and state, then How can a Christian participate in the very state we are to be seperated from?
Bush is a prime example, he caters to the people, not God.
Mohammed is not, nor ever was a prophet, of God, yet bush has spoke this faleshood many times.
Not to mention the very war he started, has resulted in the destruction of a government ordained of God, resulting in a state of anarchy, which is no law, and confustion, who is the author of confusion?
As for aborton, John leapt in the womb, in recognition of Christ in marys womb. I think that should be sufficent.
Vengance is Gods alone, its not our place to take it from him.

I noticed the church I have been attending stand and pledge their allegance to the Flag of the US, then to the Christian, Flag, and then to the Bible, i nthat order, I find something wrong, and quite frankly offencive in that. I also ask how we can pledge allegance to any nation, when the kingdom we truely belong to is not of this world, and our King himself said he had no place to lay his head while he himself was in this kingdom.

I have also a conflict, both with the Church, and my own family, (the local church) in that I have an uncle who is a freemason, who is also a decon (among others) at the church. My research into the group and their beliefs, is not reconcilable with the scriptures, yet many see no harm in it. I am unsure how to deal with this situation, because I feel that most attempts would cause division in both the church, and my own family.

I do not believe in reverencing Preachers, such as Martin Luther, Billy Graham, and as yet another example Mel Gibson. They had the appearance of Good, yet all spewed venom, AFTER they were proported, to have repented, and became examples of Christ. Yet they are venerated, as saints. Martin Luther, also troubles me i n that I Feel that Seperation, from the Chruch, may have caused more harm, than Good, in that the seperation continues to Fracture the church, and that is the reason, I dont just hastily run off and start up a new church, like many do, as I feel its not the will of God to shatter the body more so than it already has been.

I believe in the literal interpretation of both the old and new testaments, and Call things such as evolution, and the mytholigising of the scripture, satanic, in that satanism in definition is the opposition to God. But then again I ultimately call all false religions ultimately satanism as well. If we are not For Christ, then who else does that leave us for?
Evolution only works in the imaginings of those that believe it. It Cannot function without the pre existance of a great many variables, amny of which it just assumes.
As for scriptural competition, Moses neither witnessed, the creation, or the Flood, yet was Chosen of God, to Scribe them, this is Confirmed, by our Savior himself. so unless Christ is not whom I pray we all believe he IS then all extant examples, that predate the scriptures, IE gilgamesh, are infact satanicly inspired, to cast doubt on Gods word. Modern SECULAR interpretation, and belief is that the order it is written is the order, it happened, plus the modern belief that "fireside storytelling" Predates, and is the foundation of writing itself, deeply influences this false thinking, which is inspired by evolutionary thought, which itself is not all that far removed from reincarnation, both of which are being "married" into one flesh by the so called new age movements.

This is a brief overview , and simplified, view of my research. and I realize that many will, and (as i have founf on the forums) do disagree But nevertheless, I feel are True, in comparison to Gods word.
Rooting the falsehoods out of the church, is another issue, thought quite related.
IT is NOT my aim to further cause division i nthe church, which is why i whithhold my views, fro many, because they take personal offence, and anger quickly. and I am also open to scriptural examples if I am Wrong. But so far, I have found few.
I realy don't know if its a good idea to post this, because I know how people tend to take things out of contest, and in my attempt to be brief, I have not gone into a great deal of detail, on these beliefs. Nor have i attempted to list everything, but these are issues i do feel strongly about, because i feel that they affect the salvation of many, in that many are either decieved into falsehood, or they are just killed before recieving the truth..
I hope i am not oppening aq barrel full of worms

You will find people with views like this is every church but I don't think you will find all of them in any church. My suggestion is to find a church that does not focus on your issues.
My home church has no preference on Rapture views. We never discuss war, politics or crime and punishment.
We affirm the things taught in our statement of faith, that's all.
Any other differences we might have on issues, should not matter to members, we don't discuss them.

1057

8th December 2006, 03:25 PM

We never discuss war, politics or crime and punishment.
We affirm the things taught in our statement of faith, that's all.
Any other differences we might have on issues, should not matter to members, we don't discuss them.
You are BLESSED.

LittleladyinChrist

26th December 2006, 04:55 PM

I think that the stance you have is a very important one. God calls us to be separate, a peculiar people zealous of good works. I work in an independent fundamental baptist bookstore, everyday I hear about the KJV only debate, why Benny Hinn is a heretic, I only listen to old fashioned music, and God leads us into knowlege, he wouldnt give to us what we cant handle. Personally after a while of studying and holding standards based on God's word, I found myself feeling alienated from fellow Christians from my own church, an Independant Baptist Church, because half of them are asleep to different issues. But I did know that God had sent me to that church, and I didnt want to church hop like other Christians I know. God will supply all your needs, and when he sends you to a certain church, I would be faithful just like he tells us to be. It will develop alot of character, like perseverance, patience and longsuffering. Keep contending for the faith brother, may God bless you. :wave: