Church Association Tracts

[Iosias]

No 4:J C Ryle : The Teaching of the Ritualists (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT004_RyleRitualism.pdf)

No 49:I P Fleming : The Church of England is Protestant - (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT049_ProtestantCofE.pdf)a Historical Testimony (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT049_ProtestantCofE.pdf)

No 50: Charles Dent Bell : The Nature of Christian Worship (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT050_ChristianWorship.pdf)

No 55: J.C. Ryle : Reasons for Opposing Ritualism (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT055_RyleOpposingRitualism.pdf)

No 56: J. C.Ryle : What do we owe to the Reformation? (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT056_RyleReformation.pdf)

No 68: J. C. Ryle : The Distinctive Principles of the (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT068_RyleCofEPrinciples.pdf)Church of England (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT068_RyleCofEPrinciples.pdf). (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/catracts.htm)

No 76: Canon Clayton : Evangelical Protestantism: (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT076_EvangelicalProtestantism.pdf)The Only Sure Means of Resisting the Advances of Superstition and Infidelity. (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT076_EvangelicalProtestantism.pdf)

No 115: (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT115_ChurchAssocDeclaration.pdf) Declaration of the Church Association. (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT115_ChurchAssocDeclaration.pdf)

No 130: Church Association Prayer for those interested in the Society's work. (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT130_CAPrayer.pdf)

No 167: John Mylius : What did the Reformation do for me? (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT167_Reformation.pdf)

No 193: J. C. Ryle : Regeneration & Baptism (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/documents/CAT193_RyleBaptism.pdf)

No 401: James Maden Holt: The Word of God: Its Divine Inspiration, Infallibility, and All-sufficiency for Salvation. (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/catracts.htm#Tract401)

No 420 : Norman Baptie : Evangelical Churchmanship (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT420_Evangelical.pdf)

[No Swansong]

Thanks for the links AV.

[gtsecc]

I have read those tracts, and they are the most manipulative and misleading things I have ever read.
Specifically, they will find writing by someone from the early church, and then use that to back their argument.
This is based on a common miss understanding.
An early church father only becomes one after his ideas are accepted through out the whole church, over many years.
So, you can't find an Arian, quote him, and then say - See! Christ wasn't divine. The Early Church Fathers said so.

The Church Association, and Church Assembly have an agenda with 2 main parts.
1 To join Church and state
2 Use the State to enforce the church into adopting the most anti-roman clap trap they can get away with.

[Aymn27]

I have read those tracts, and they are the most manipulative and misleading things I have ever read.
Specifically, they will find writing by someone from the early church, and then use that to back their argument.
This is based on a common miss understanding.
An early church father only becomes one after his ideas are accepted through out the whole church, over many years.
So, you can't find an Arian, quote him, and then say - See! Christ wasn't divine. The Early Church Fathers said so.

The Church Association, and Church Assembly have an agenda with 2 main parts.
1 To join Church and state
2 Use the State to enforce the church into adopting the most anti-roman clap trap they can get away with.
And that is bad...how ;) ????

[Aymn27]

No 4:J C Ryle : The Teaching of the Ritualists (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT004_RyleRitualism.pdf)

No 49:I P Fleming : The Church of England is Protestant - (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT049_ProtestantCofE.pdf)a Historical Testimony (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT049_ProtestantCofE.pdf)

No 50: Charles Dent Bell : The Nature of Christian Worship (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT050_ChristianWorship.pdf)

No 55: J.C. Ryle : Reasons for Opposing Ritualism (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT055_RyleOpposingRitualism.pdf)

No 56: J. C.Ryle : What do we owe to the Reformation? (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT056_RyleReformation.pdf)

No 68: J. C. Ryle : The Distinctive Principles of the (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT068_RyleCofEPrinciples.pdf)Church of England (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT068_RyleCofEPrinciples.pdf). (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/catracts.htm)

No 76: Canon Clayton : Evangelical Protestantism: (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT076_EvangelicalProtestantism.pdf)The Only Sure Means of Resisting the Advances of Superstition and Infidelity. (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT076_EvangelicalProtestantism.pdf)

No 115: (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT115_ChurchAssocDeclaration.pdf) Declaration of the Church Association. (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT115_ChurchAssocDeclaration.pdf)

No 130: Church Association Prayer for those interested in the Society's work. (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT130_CAPrayer.pdf)

No 167: John Mylius : What did the Reformation do for me? (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT167_Reformation.pdf)

No 193: J. C. Ryle : Regeneration & Baptism (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/documents/CAT193_RyleBaptism.pdf)

No 401: James Maden Holt: The Word of God: Its Divine Inspiration, Infallibility, and All-sufficiency for Salvation. (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/catracts.htm#Tract401)

No 420 : Norman Baptie : Evangelical Churchmanship (http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/tracts/CAT420_Evangelical.pdf)
could you give us a link to the website so I can see all of them? thanks...

[gtsecc]

Well, I know you are joking, but we should point out 2 things:

1. Joining Church and State is both philosophically and practically problematic. For example, if you are born in a parish, then by being a citizen of the state, you somehow have a civil right to the sacraments.


2. Being anti-Roman may coincidently lead you to good doctrine by rejecting the idea of Mary being sinless. But, they also hold to the divinity of Christ, rejecting that is obviously problematic. So, doing theology by simply not being Roman Catholic is really terrible.

You don’t want to do theology simply by over correcting or reacting to bad theology – it leads to a mess.
For example, the Roman Catholic idea that sin is a sort of genetic particle is bad theology. It means that if Mary had sin, then Christ had sin. The proper correction is that sin is not a genetic particle. The wrong correction, reactionary theology, is that Mary was sinless. Which means her parents were sinless, which means…

The practical problem for Anglicans being anti-roman catholic are multitude. For example, Bishops are corrupt. If you are reactionary, you get rid of Bishops. The proper correction is getting rid of corrupt Bishops.

[TomUK]

Well, I know you are joking, but we should point out 2 things:

1. Joining Church and State is both philosophically and practically problematic. For example, if you are born in a parish, then by being a citizen of the state, you somehow have a civil right to the sacraments.

It's worked for the past few hundred years in Britain.

[TomUK]

For a bit of perspective here...

http://anglicanhistory.org/tracts/

[Aymn27]

For a bit of perspective here...

http://anglicanhistory.org/tracts/
thanks tom..I'm going to check those out as well!

[Iosias]

could you give us a link to the website so I can see all of them? thanks...

Sure but these are the only one available at the moment: http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/catracts.htm

[Iosias]

For a bit of perspective here...

http://anglicanhistory.org/tracts/

And how are the Tractarians Anglican? Naughty me, naughty me I shouldn't ask these questions :P

[TomUK]

And how are the Tractarians Anglican? Naughty me, naughty me I shouldn't ask these questions :P

You think the tractarians weren't Anglican? :sigh:

[Iosias]

You think the tractarians weren't Anglican? :sigh:

Well have you read Tract 90?

[TomUK]

I have, and it details exactly how tractarians are Anglican.

[gtsecc]

Sure but these are the only one available at the moment: http://www.churchsociety.org/publications/catracts.htm
And how are the Tractarians Christian? Naughty me, naughty me I shouldn't ask these questions :P

[Iosias]

I have, and it details exactly how tractarians are Anglican.

Tract 90 plays hocus pocus with the Articles, Homilies and Litutgy of the Church of England. After he wrote them Newman realised he was RC and left to join them which was where he belonged.

[TomUK]

Tract 90 plays hocus pocus with the Articles, Homilies and Litutgy of the Church of England.

:doh:

[gtsecc]

It is better to defend a practice as being Christian.
That an Anglican parish somewhere did it doesn't mean anything. For example, some parishes are pro-choice, and most CHristians woudl reject that as a possible Christian position.

[ContraMundum]

Tract 90 plays hocus pocus with the Articles, Homilies and Litutgy of the Church of England. After he wrote them Newman realised he was RC and left to join them which was where he belonged.
I hate to agree with you, but I agree with you.

I used to be a fan of Tract 90 until I just admitted that the CofE meant what it said when it drew up the 39 Articles. Newman was clutching at straws and missing the free evangelical spirit behind the Articles. He played with terms and shifted boundaries to make Tract 90 fly. It's really a little dishonest. I'm glad I can still have respect for Pusey and Keble though.

Having said that, the stuff you linked to here isn't much better. Calvinism doesn't work. It's just not orthodox and can't stand up to scrutiny from outside, which is why it is so insular and lacking in historic precedent.

The intellectual fight for the soul of the C of E has long since moved away from the dispute over ritual and Romanism and moved on to gender issues and ethics. Although there is still Romanism around, and it should be taught against vigorously, it's not a hot enough topic to be the main focus of current discussion.

[Iosias]

I hate to agree with you, but I agree with you.

Should I be happy or not ;)

Having said that, the stuff you linked to here isn't much better. Calvinism doesn't work. It's just not orthodox and can't stand up to scrutiny from outside, which is why it is so insular and lacking in historic precedent.

I could not disagree more. Calvin's work are full of ECF quotes. See (http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/Cause_of_God_and_Truth/Part%204/part4_intro.htm) Gill's The Cause of God and Truth part 4: http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/gills_archive.htm

Close to the bottom :)

[ContraMundum]

Should I be happy or not ;)



I could not disagree more. Calvin's work are full of ECF quotes. See (http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/Cause_of_God_and_Truth/Part%204/part4_intro.htm) Gill's The Cause of God and Truth part 4: http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/gills_archive.htm

Close to the bottom :)
As I've said ad nauseum- I'll debate a Calvinist with or without the ECF and still show it's a pipe dream and not paleo-orthodox.

[gtsecc]

Just like you can't take a line out of the Bible and form your whole theology around it, you can't do that with ECF either.
Also, they are EFC becasue their theology has been accepted by the whoel church. So, an early Christian, with a theology, such as Arius, isn't an ECF unless the chruch accepts his work. Arius and Calvin have not been accepted by the church, and Calvin's reference to a few ECF does support him.

[Iosias]

I have, and it details exactly how tractarians are Anglican.

Could you perhaps explain?