Pentecostal and salvationist.

[sreno7]

Do you think there are many charismatic/pentecostal Salvationists? When I was growing up in the Foursquare Church there was an officer at the army who was against any sign of charismatic worship and there used to be a joke that if you raised your hands during worship you would have your arms chopped off at the elbow. People who worshiped this way were told to stop or to leave the church. This officer eventually left the army and got baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Most officers that I know who leave the army end up as Baptist pastors though.
At the corps I attend a few raise there hands in worship but the youth events are VERY Pentecostal.
I just wondered what other people's experience has been.

[JoshuaCh1v9]

Do you think there are many charismatic/pentecostal Salvationists? When I was growing up in the Foursquare Church there was an officer at the army who was against any sign of charismatic worship and there used to be a joke that if you raised your hands during worship you would have your arms chopped off at the elbow. People who worshiped this way were told to stop or to leave the church. This officer eventually left the army and got baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Most officers that I know who leave the army end up as Baptist pastors though.
At the corps I attend a few raise there hands in worship but the youth events are VERY Pentecostal.
I just wondered what other people's experience has been.


There are definately those who would consider this to be 'not Army', but they need to reflect that playing a timbrel, or waving those cutesey little plags that seem popular these days, all require you to raise your arms.

If we are singing a modern worship song then I have no problem raising my hands (how can you sing 'Majesty' with your arms down?)

But it works the other way as well. I go to our local methodist church a couple of times a month and we often sing songs that are popular in the Army, and I badly want to clap.

But you don't like to be the only one.....:D

[sreno7]

LOL I went to a church years ago where they were singing "this is the day that lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it" and they were just standing there not clapping!!

[JoshuaCh1v9]

LOL I went to a church years ago where they were singing "this is the day that lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it" and they were just standing there not clapping!!

And the tempo is so sloooooow....

[Gwen'sMom]

LOL I went to a church years ago where they were singing "this is the day that lord has made, let us rejoice and be glad in it" and they were just standing there not clapping!!
My hands would have to be tied behind my back in order for me not to clap to that song, which is my favorite!

[Evangelina]

I think there are, and have been, HEAPS. Although I guess it depends on your exact definitions. But the Salvation Army, the Holiness movement and the Pentecostal movement were all rather closely related back in the start of the SA!

Here are some tidbits:
Aimee Semple McPherson is one of the most famous female figures in American religious history. She was an influential early Pentecostal preacher who founded the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel. She was particularly well known for attracting famous Hollywood celebrities to her circle of friends and congregants.

Prior to her career as a Pentecostal preacher, Aimee Semple McPherson was a member and worker in the Salvation Army. This was an important part of her history, as chronicled in the independent biopic film Aimee Semple McPherson (2006).
Source (http://www.adherents.com/people/pm/Aimee_Semple_McPherson.html)This Pentecost is offered to all believers. It comes, or it would come, in the experience of every believer, if he would have it. God wants you to have it. God calls you to it. Jesus Christ has bought it for you, and you may have it and live in its power as much as these apostles did, if you will--every one of you. My dear friends, you may have it, be filled with it, and no one but God knows what He would do with you, and what He would make of you if you were thus filled, for the experience of Peter shows you how utterly different a man is before he gets a Pentecostal baptism and after be gets it. The man who could not stand the questionings of a servant-maid before he got this power, dared to be crucified after he got it...

<huge amount snipped out>

In the North, when I was there, we had an all-night of prayer, at which one thousand people, admitted by ticket, waited all night on God. The meeting began at ten, and went on until six in the morning, and there were strong men, men in middle life, and old men, lying on their faces on the floor. There were doctors there, who examined them and tried to account for it from physical causes, but they could not. It was the power of God. The Holy Ghost does come, and because, in coming thus into our souls, and thus filling us, He sometimes prostrates our bodies, people rebel, as they did on this occasion, and reject the manifestation, and say, `Excitement! fanaticism!' What right have you to say that the Holy Spirit coming into a human soul can operate upon that soul to the full extent without, to some degree, prostrating the body?
From Papers on Aggressive Christianity (Sermons by Catherine Booth) (http://www.gospeltruth.net/booth/cath_booth/agressive_christianity/cbooth_8_filled.htm)Historians increasingly agree that Pentecostalism emerged at the turn of the century largely from a radical wing of the Holiness movement emphasizing “divine healing” and the imminent return of Christ. At that time Holiness leaders were attempting to interpret Pentecost as an experience of “entire sanctification” until the emergence of tongues-speaking Pentecostalism prompted them to purge features that might cause confusion. The lines are also blurred by large segments of Pentecostalism (especially in the south and among blacks) that are also “Holiness” in that they teach “three works of grace” -- conversion, entire sanctification and a “baptism in the Spirit” with speaking in tongues. And Holiness and Pentecostal churches share much in ethos, hymnody and social/cultural experience.

This wing of Christendom encompasses incredible diversity. Both branches were movements before the formation of denominations. Thus the Holiness family includes pockets of influence within Methodism (many camp meetings and some educational institutions), pre-Civil War perfectionist antislavery radicals like the Wesleyans and Free Methodists, such products of the National Camp Meeting Association as the Church of the Nazarene and the Pilgrim Holiness Church, social-service movements like the Salvation Army, a synthesis of Holiness theology and a Campbellite-like ecclesiology in the Church of God (Anderson, Indiana), as well as a host of smaller bodies.
Source (http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=1248)

[sreno7]

Hey I didn't know that about Aimee Semple MacPherson and I grew up in the Foursquare church, come to think of it the Foursquare church has a flag, the only ohter church I know with a flag other than the Army.
As for clapping to This the day, the tempo was waay tooooo slo-o-o-o-w to clap.