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[InDeoHonorium2]

disclaimer: I am not God

I make mistakes, I own up to them, I try desperately to learn from them and I move on. I want to help others learn to, and if I post something here and you reply then I will read and listen to what you say


A year ago, due to circumstances beyond anyone's control, at our weekend campout/gathering type thing, our "preacher" was unable to attend.
Someone looked right at me and said "Can you preach?"

Well, in my usual tone, I said ....NO

I could come up with a gazillion excuses to say no
What..you want me to talk to people?...I am not one to preach...I have nothing to say....I am not worthy.....I don't agree with most people's beliefs here....I am not comfortable doing it....I don't know enough to preach...I am not a worthy example...I have a fuilthy mouth at times...I get angry too much....

I later mentioned it to the guy who asked...he understood "You aren't ready and comfortable with it yet and that is fine" he said

The YET is still a bit puzzling to me...am I to be asked again?

And if asked, can I be ready ?????

Yes, the only excuse it "I am not worthy"
But who is ?

IF asked again, I at least have ideas for what I would say....and how to say things that will challenge and not offend

I look at the events around Teg Haggart, for example. I have seen many leaders, large and small, brought down by vices and scandel I can say that at least I am not a hypocrit......I own up to my vices.True, I drink, I use bad words on occasion, (but try not to) I make excuses for not preaching (once)
But I admit to this. I am not prooud of it, it is what makes me human...with my flaws and imperfections. Let the perfect scome forward and identify themselves...I have not met a perfect huma yet and would be interested if such a person did exist......
I will say, if asked again to preach , I would want to be ready, but if I believe I would do more harm that good in doing so then I will not.......

[Reformationist]

Well, obviously you should pray about it. As only God can equip you for the task, so it is that He will be the only One to give you the peace of the calling.

That said, there are things that are required of you as a disciple. You should know the Scriptures. And, if you are going to teach, pick a specific topic and stick to it. You'd probably find that you wouldn't have any problem teaching if you prepare a lesson plan.

Also, approach the task with great humility. Never be offended if someone points out an error or questions your teaching. Remember, you are fallible. Thank them for their input. If you approach the task from the perspective that you, and those to whom you are preaching, are, together, seeking to understand and obey God, you'll have an easier time of it. Remember, we're all teammates, working together to glorify our Father.

I wish you the blessing of God Himself.

God bless

[linssue55]

I will say, if asked again to preach , I would want to be ready, but if I believe I would do more harm that good in doing so then I will not.......

If you DO NOT have the GIFT of pastor teacher and qualifications listed below......."NO ONE" should step behind the altar. They NEED to HIRE a pastor that is qualified to TEACH with the GIFTof pastor teacher!

Do NOT be flattered by what people say to you.......you are NOT promoted UNLESS God promotes you. I hope you take this very seriously. This could be a test.....to follow the word......OR listen to people which are trying to stimulate your approbation lusts. Watch out!



The local church preparation. Prior to seminary, the believer must be faithful in some local church in his function, service, and attendance at Bible class. If the believer finds his right pastor, he should then enter the seminary with a good doctrinal foundation as a basis for his studies. Then he will be better motivated than most seminary students. By its very nature, seminary must be very tough academically. Therefore, good motivation must exist to work hard in learning the original languages and systematic theology, especially if you have no predilection for it. Faithfulness in the perception of doctrine is as far as some believers go in their preparation, which means they must be dependent upon good Bible teaching from a source outside of themselves. This is a hard road to take, because all too often lack of study of systematic and Biblical theology means lack of discernment.


The academic preparation. With few exceptions, no one is prepared for the pulpit without proper academic training. This means that the believer with the gift of pastor teacher should go as far as he can academically. This includes not only high school and college, but also theological seminary and other graduate schools.
(1) To introduce a practical factor, academic preparation should be accomplished, wherever possible, in the state of single bliss. It is very difficult to go through seminary with a wife and/or children.
(2) Undergraduate work should include, if possible, Greek, Hebrew, Latin, speech, psychology, and philosophy.

(3) Seminary training should provide the tools with which to dig into the Bible for the rest of one’s life. That means being a very good student of Hebrew, Greek, systematic theology, Biblical theology, church history, missions, etc. Practical experience should not be emphasized at this time, for one will receive practical training for the rest of his life in the ministry. There is no substitute for the academic training.


The seminary that the individual attends must be orthodox in its doctrine and include the languages and systematic theology.


Through spiritual growth and momentum in the protocol plan of God, the believer becomes aware of his spiritual gift and so makes decisions related to preparation for the ministry.

Preparation for the ministry includes:

a. Awareness of the spiritual gift through momentum.
b. Undergraduate training in a college or university.
c. Military service or some other practical experience where the authority is especially unfair and the discipline is strict.
d. Theological seminary.
e. Sometimes a brief business or professional career.
f. Ordination by a local church.

[InDeoHonorium2]

NO wait This is not a Pastor position or even a PAID position There is no way I would accept money

What we have on weekends when we gather for these hobby type events is a devotional. We refer to it as church service, there is prayer, singing, we have several people who are ministers, some ordained some not I was asked to fill in and turned it down because I felt I was not able. I am in repentance for one, the way I turned it down, and second, if asked again, so that I can at least be more prepared. I may or may not ever do it, actually, I may not ever be asked again, and I can't blame them for that either

Also, keep in mind, this can be a ROUGH CROWD we are talking Bikers etc People who want and need the Good News and believe it or not, will drop what they are doing to listen for an hour......

Of course the true test for me is not just listening but living by it for the rest of the week

[InDeoHonorium2]

NO wait This is not a Pastor position or even a PAID position There is no way I would accept money

What we have on weekends when we gather for these hobby type events is a devotional. We refer to it as church service, there is prayer, singing, we have several people who are ministers, some ordained some not I was asked to fill in and turned it down because I felt I was not able. I am in repentance for one, the way I turned it down, and second, if asked again, so that I can at least be more prepared. I may or may not ever do it, actually, I may not ever be asked again, and I can't blame them for that either

Also, keep in mind, this can be a ROUGH CROWD we are talking Bikers etc People who want and need the Good News and believe it or not, will drop what they are doing to listen for an hour......

Of course the true test for me is not just listening but living by it for the rest of the week

[Kelly]

Preparation for the ministry includes:

a. Awareness of the spiritual gift through momentum.
b. Undergraduate training in a college or university.
c. Military service or some other practical experience where the authority is especially unfair and the discipline is strict.
d. Theological seminary.
e. Sometimes a brief business or professional career.
f. Ordination by a local church.

But don't discount God using people who are not ready or even willing, at first. Think of Moses, who was horrible public speaker, enough so that he had to have his brother come with him. (Exo 4)

[angelsword]

disclaimer: I am not God

I make mistakes, I own up to them, I try desperately to learn from them and I move on. I want to help others learn to, and if I post something here and you reply then I will read and listen to what you say


A year ago, due to circumstances beyond anyone's control, at our weekend campout/gathering type thing, our "preacher" was unable to attend.
Someone looked right at me and said "Can you preach?"

Well, in my usual tone, I said ....NO

I could come up with a gazillion excuses to say no
What..you want me to talk to people?...I am not one to preach...I have nothing to say....I am not worthy.....I don't agree with most people's beliefs here....I am not comfortable doing it....I don't know enough to preach...I am not a worthy example...I have a fuilthy mouth at times...I get angry too much....

I later mentioned it to the guy who asked...he understood "You aren't ready and comfortable with it yet and that is fine" he said

The YET is still a bit puzzling to me...am I to be asked again?

And if asked, can I be ready ?????

Yes, the only excuse it "I am not worthy"
But who is ?

IF asked again, I at least have ideas for what I would say....and how to say things that will challenge and not offend

I look at the events around Teg Haggart, for example. I have seen many leaders, large and small, brought down by vices and scandel I can say that at least I am not a hypocrit......I own up to my vices.True, I drink, I use bad words on occasion, (but try not to) I make excuses for not preaching (once)
But I admit to this. I am not prooud of it, it is what makes me human...with my flaws and imperfections. Let the perfect scome forward and identify themselves...I have not met a perfect huma yet and would be interested if such a person did exist......
I will say, if asked again to preach , I would want to be ready, but if I believe I would do more harm that good in doing so then I will not.......
It is God's way of telling you that you are HIS child! He uses us as vessels. God's spirit will tell you what to say. You are the person HE is using at the time. You will be ready next time according to His will!

[linssue55]

But don't discount God using people who are not ready or even willing, at first. Think of Moses, who was horrible public speaker, enough so that he had to have his brother come with him. (Exo 4)

In this CHURCH AGE, God does not speak to us like Moses and ALL the others in the bible. He speaks to us from the word, and if you KNOW the word for the church, we ARE to be prepared as stated in my first post, and I have MUCH, MUCH, MUCH MORE on pastor teachers, ALL scriptural.