Question regarding rubrics of Schorri's Inaugaration

[HandmaidenOfGod]

She received blessings in Hebrew from a rabbi, in Arabic from a Muslim scholar, along with receiving prayers in several other languages.

The above quote was taken from this article about Katherine Schori's inaugaration as presiding Bishop: http://www.local6.com/family/10242740/detail.html#

My question is this; is it normal for Anglican leaders to have leaders from other spiritual traditions present at their inaugaration/ordination? If so, what is the reasoning behind this?

I ask to learn, not to fight.

P.S. Can a moderator please correct the spelling of +Bishop Schori's name in the title? I goofed! (Sorry!!)

[Andy Broadley]

No idea, but it's gotta be a good thing.

Long may it continue

[higgs2]

No idea, but it's gotta be a good thing.

Long may it continue
:thumbsup:

[gtsecc]

The above quote was taken from this article about Katherine Schori's inaugaration as presiding Bishop: http://www.local6.com/family/10242740/detail.html#

My question is this; is it normal for Anglican leaders to have leaders from other spiritual traditions present at their inaugaration/ordination? If so, what is the reasoning behind this?

I ask to learn, not to fight.

P.S. Can a moderator please correct the spelling of +Bishop Schori's name in the title? I goofed! (Sorry!!)
Absolutely!
In the 1970's we quit doing theology, and started doing social engineering.
There are whole generations of Anglicans who don’t know any better, and in fact think the more non-traditional the better.

However, there are many Anglicans who don’t by into all this stuff. We must make it clear that our objection is theological, not bigotry. We must pray for her ministry, and love and support her. We must not, however, participate in anything resembling a sacramental act such as ordination or communion with her, because we have no way of knowing what it is.

When ordination of women happened, it was called the noble experiment, and anyone who disagreed with it would not be forced to participate, and certainly no woman would be made Bishop. Well, the noble experiment failed. Why? Because those who support it have an underlying belief, which is contrary to Christianity – that is that the theology and the liturgy must conform to societal whims, rather than theological teachings.

[JoshuaCh1v9]

Absolutely!
In the 1970's we quit doing theology, and started doing social engineering.
There are whole generations of Anglicans who don’t know any better, and in fact think the more non-traditional the better.

However, there are many Anglicans who don’t by into all this stuff. We must make it clear that our objection is theological, not bigotry. We must pray for her ministry, and love and support her. We must not, however, participate in anything resembling a sacramental act such as ordination or communion with her, because we have no way of knowing what it is.

When ordination of women happened, it was called the noble experiment, and anyone who disagreed with it would not be forced to participate, and certainly no woman would be made Bishop. Well, the noble experiment failed. Why? Because those who support it have an underlying belief, which is contrary to Christianity – that is that the theology and the liturgy must conform to societal whims, rather than theological teachings.


Andy and Glen are pleased to announce that, after their own 'noble experiment' of agreeing with one another, normal service will now be resumed.:D

They will, however, continue to love each other as brothers in Christ:thumbsup:

[karen freeinchristman]

Absolutely!
In the 1970's we quit doing theology, and started doing social engineering.
There are whole generations of Anglicans who don’t know any better, and in fact think the more non-traditional the better.

However, there are many Anglicans who don’t by into all this stuff. We must make it clear that our objection is theological, not bigotry. We must pray for her ministry, and love and support her. We must not, however, participate in anything resembling a sacramental act such as ordination or communion with her, because we have no way of knowing what it is.

When ordination of women happened, it was called the noble experiment, and anyone who disagreed with it would not be forced to participate, and certainly no woman would be made Bishop. Well, the noble experiment failed. Why? Because those who support it have an underlying belief, which is contrary to Christianity – that is that the theology and the liturgy must conform to societal whims, rather than theological teachings.
Glen, I think you are being slightly dishonest with yourself, intellectually (just trying to speak your language, here! :P )

Seriously, I think you have a strange idea of what theology actually means. I also think that the Episcopal Church is not actually guilty of what you are accusing it to be doing - that is, conforming to societal whims.

Surely you realise that the Church has always been affected by the world view of the society it engages with? It was most definitely affected by the Greek culture in the early days. Even Scripture shows evidence of the influence of Platonic philosophy.

When you claim that the direction of events that has occurred in the Episcopal Church is due to something other than theological teachings, you are merely showing your own personal emphasis on certain specific theological teachings (i.e. those that have been confirmed through Councils), and your disdain for other equally theological teachings that do not fit with your view.

I do not believe for one minute that the decision taken by the Episcopal Church was for the reason of conforming to social whims. I believe that it is for the theologically valid reason of the inclusive nature of God.

[Aymn27]

Glen, I think you are being slightly dishonest with yourself, intellectually (just trying to speak your language, here! :P )

Seriously, I think you have a strange idea of what theology actually means. I also think that the Episcopal Church is not actually guilty of what you are accusing it to be doing - that is, conforming to societal whims.

Surely you realise that the Church has always been affected by the world view of the society it engages with? It was most definitely affected by the Greek culture in the early days. Even Scripture shows evidence of the influence of Platonic philosophy.

When you claim that the direction of events that has occurred in the Episcopal Church is due to something other than theological teachings, you are merely showing your own personal emphasis on certain specific theological teachings (i.e. those that have been confirmed through Councils), and your disdain for other equally theological teachings that do not fit with your view.

I do not believe for one minute that the decision taken by the Episcopal Church was for the reason of conforming to social whims. I believe that it is for the theologically valid reason of the inclusive nature of God.
Karen - I wouldn't debate the majority of your post except for the very last statment - "the inclusive nature of God" - The God that has revealed Himself through Torah and the Hebrew Scriptures was in NO WAY inclusive - Jesus, was inclusive as far as he welcomed outcasts who professed faith in Him and repented. Throughout the NT we see people being excluded for lack of repentence - the wise young ruler, the pharisees, sadducees, those who could not fathom consuming his flesh and blood....the call of the gospels in one of RADICAL discipleship which beckons the believer to draw close to the Messiah and turn away from the sin in his/her life. Repentence is the underlying message of Jesus (imho) not inclusivity. Even in the final judgment at the end of days Jesus will seperate the "sheeps" from the "goats" - the sheep being those who believed and did His will, the goats being those who believed but did not adhere to His will.

I honestly see very little "inclusivety" in the gospel for those who do not heed the precepts of the Lord.

[Polycarp1]

Aaron, I could not agree more with the basic thesis of your post. But it's very instructive to notice the disparity between the compassion and ready forgiveness that Jesus brings to His relations to those guilty of "the sins of the flesh" versus His strong condemnation of those guilty of exclusivity and judgment over their fellow man. I think there's a very important lesson in those Gospel passages for those willing to listen.

[Tomoz]

Karen - I wouldn't debate the majority of your post except for the very last statment - "the inclusive nature of God" - The God that has revealed Himself through Torah and the Hebrew Scriptures was in NO WAY inclusive - Jesus, was inclusive as far as he welcomed outcasts who professed faith in Him and repented. Throughout the NT we see people being excluded for lack of repentence - the wise young ruler, the pharisees, sadducees, those who could not fathom consuming his flesh and blood....the call of the gospels in one of RADICAL discipleship which beckons the believer to draw close to the Messiah and turn away from the sin in his/her life. Repentence is the underlying message of Jesus (imho) not inclusivity. Even in the final judgment at the end of days Jesus will seperate the "sheeps" from the "goats" - the sheep being those who believed and did His will, the goats being those who believed but did not adhere to His will.

I honestly see very little "inclusivety" in the gospel for those who do not heed the precepts of the Lord.

I may be wrong, but I don't think that is what Karen was saying - she was making more of a reference to the fact that "there is neither jew nor greek, slave nor free, male nor female", rather than any statement on universal salvation.
Her point was more ecclesiological than soteriological.
Sorry if I'm wrong Karen!

[Finella]

I'm jusst lurking... love how the thread has morphed from ++Schori being greeted by representatives of non-Christian faiths to another debate about women's ordination. Carry on...

But wanted to say -- Happy Birthday Polycarp!

[Colabomb]

The above quote was taken from this article about Katherine Schori's inaugaration as presiding Bishop: http://www.local6.com/family/10242740/detail.html#

My question is this; is it normal for Anglican leaders to have leaders from other spiritual traditions present at their inaugaration/ordination? If so, what is the reasoning behind this?

I ask to learn, not to fight.

P.S. Can a moderator please correct the spelling of +Bishop Schori's name in the title? I goofed! (Sorry!!)

It's utter blasphemy. I would like to know when Christianity forgot it contained the full Truth of the One Gospel.

Well, there is still hope for us. The Anglican Communion Network still exists.

[gtsecc]

The above quote was taken from this article about Katherine Schori's inaugaration as presiding Bishop: http://www.local6.com/family/10242740/detail.html#

My question is this; is it normal for Anglican leaders to have leaders from other spiritual traditions present at their inaugaration/ordination? If so, what is the reasoning behind this?

I ask to learn, not to fight.

P.S. Can a moderator please correct the spelling of +Bishop Schori's name in the title? I goofed! (Sorry!!)
Fundamentally, this was not a consecration.
She was consecrated in a different service, so theologically, this service was more or less a prayer service and announcement.

Didn't watch the whole video, did they have a Eucharist?

[higgs2]

It was an investiture. I can't see how having muslims and jews as guests would be complete and utter blasphemy. I think people are a little over the top on this issue, but then nothing this woman does will be acceptable to some.

[higgs2]

Jesus Christ himself could attend in the flesh and someone would be upset because he's a Jew, or comment that his outfit was ugly. :D

[kiwimac]

Good on her!

[chalice_thunder]

The above quote was taken from this article about Katherine Schori's inaugaration as presiding Bishop: http://www.local6.com/family/10242740/detail.html#

My question is this; is it normal for Anglican leaders to have leaders from other spiritual traditions present at their inaugaration/ordination? If so, what is the reasoning behind this?

I ask to learn, not to fight.

P.S. Can a moderator please correct the spelling of +Bishop Schori's name in the title? I goofed! (Sorry!!)
Dear Sister,

Here is my understanding of it:

Because ++Katherine is now the figure head of ECUSA it is most appropriate to have senior figures from other religious traditions present at her investiture. It is a sign that we are all people of prayer and faith, no matter which tradition each of us embraces.

It also is a sign of honor, welcome, and respect of traditions that may differ from ours, but which have common roots. (the 3 Abrahamic traditions)
If ECUSA needs to show anything right now, it is to hold up the gospel of Christ's radical hospitality.

While her primary role is one of leadership in ECUSA (and thus among the other Primates in the AC), she will also be a major voice among religious dialogue in the United States of America.

Hope that helps!:wave:

[JoshuaCh1v9]

Jesus Christ himself could attend in the flesh and someone would be upset because he's a Jew, or comment that his outfit was ugly. :D

*Ding Ding*

Higgs wins post of the week (again)

[Colabomb]

Christ is the Way the Truth and the Life. He did not say that all are welcome regardless of their religion. He said all are welcome to FOLLOW HIM.

This anything goes, lets hug everyone for Jesus stuff is getting irritating.

[JoshuaCh1v9]

Christ is the Way the Truth and the Life. He did not say that all are welcome regardless of their religion. He said all are welcome to FOLLOW HIM.

This anything goes, lets hug everyone for Jesus stuff is getting irritating.

I agree.

That is exactly what Jesus said.

But that does not preclude people of other faiths sharing in the inaugeration of the Bishop.

[Finella]

I love the idea of hugging everyone for Jesus!

(higgs, you are right on, btw)

[higgs2]

:groupray: group hug for Jesus

:tutu: liturgical dance for Jesus

:P

[kiwimac]

Lol :)

[JoshuaCh1v9]

Another thread runs out of steam and grinds to a halt.

[karen freeinchristman]

Coffee, anyone?

Teacake?

:)

[chalice_thunder]

Coffee, anyone?

Teacake?

:)
Reminds me of Eddie Izzard talking about Anglicans:

"Cake or death?"

"Cake, please!"

[karen freeinchristman]

Reminds me of Eddie Izzard talking about Anglicans:

"Cake or death?"

"Cake, please!"
^_^

Well, since Jesus triumphed over death, we can have cake and life - hallelujah! :clap:

[JoshuaCh1v9]

Coffee, anyone?

Teacake?

:)


Tea please

And cake of course

[JoshuaCh1v9]

^_^

Well, since Jesus triumphed over death, we can have cake and life - hallelujah! :clap:

"I am come that they might have life and have it with a nice victoria sandwich":preach:

[erin74]

Absolutely!
In the 1970's we quit doing theology, and started doing social engineering.
There are whole generations of Anglicans who don’t know any better, and in fact think the more non-traditional the better.

However, there are many Anglicans who don’t by into all this stuff. We must make it clear that our objection is theological, not bigotry. We must pray for her ministry, and love and support her. We must not, however, participate in anything resembling a sacramental act such as ordination or communion with her, because we have no way of knowing what it is.

When ordination of women happened, it was called the noble experiment, and anyone who disagreed with it would not be forced to participate, and certainly no woman would be made Bishop. Well, the noble experiment failed. Why? Because those who support it have an underlying belief, which is contrary to Christianity – that is that the theology and the liturgy must conform to societal whims, rather than theological teachings.
totally agree.

The only message this sends is that we are all on about the same thing, which is exactly what society tells us, and exactly what the bible does not.

The only way to the Father is through the Son.

[higgs2]

"I am come that they might have life and have it with a nice victoria sandwich":preach:

My children love to have the Bread of Heaven in church and then go directly to the cake of abundant life at coffee hour :D

[JoshuaCh1v9]

My children love to have the Bread of Heaven in church and then go directly to the cake of abundant life at coffee hour :D


Not forgetting the choccie biccies of Grace of course