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colinlindsay
4th November 2006, 09:51 AM
After clinical death what happens to us?
My query is from the point of view of what happens to our sinful desires.
Do they just get burnt up in the divine vision?
Will this be painful or painless?
Or is there a challenge for us to be perfect before we enter his presence?
This is really for Christians. You've got have some presupposition about life after death. I prefer to go with Jesus's firm conviction about it.
Does anybody know about David Ritchie's experience after death?
http://www.near-death.com/ritch.html (http://www.near-death.com/ritch.html)
They say it's probably the fullest christian experience that's been documented.
I find it disturbing because it posits the certainly that we take into eternity (especially if not saved) those obsessions and lusts we pandered to on earth. These remain perpetually unsatisfied in the disembodied state.
What happens to our carnal desires (pride, lust, greed, jealousy etc)
Any catholics want to argue for purgatory here?

beehoney
4th November 2006, 11:22 AM
I think we remain unaware until the Resurrection. We will have no thoughts then or desires until such time.

beehoney
4th November 2006, 11:26 AM
LOL! I just clicked on the link. I guess I would be one of those in deep sleep until Jesus returns.

colinlindsay
4th November 2006, 12:42 PM
I think we remain unaware until the Resurrection. We will have no thoughts then or desires until such time.
Ok, I accept that.
But what happens at the resurrection? Will there be some sort of purgation. How do we cease to want to sin?

beehoney
4th November 2006, 01:00 PM
Ok, I accept that.
But what happens at the resurrection? Will there be some sort of purgation. How do we cease to want to sin?
I think we will be delivered from all things that affect us in our mortal state.

Matthan
4th November 2006, 02:16 PM
Upon death, everyone leaves their earthly shell behind. The spirit of those who have developed a belief in Jesus as the Christ of God will go directly to Heaven. All others will go to the place of the dead to await the judgement. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth...

Matthan

Aisynia
4th November 2006, 03:39 PM
I think that when we die we lose all consciousness of ever even having existed. Everyone is thrust into that 'deep sleep' if that's what you want to call it. The closest you can be to 'feeling' death is when you're sleep. When you're racked by dreams, you have a mild consciousness that you are indeed sleeping..or at least you would hope it esp. if you're having a nightmare. But there are times when you are sleep when you are not aware that you are sleep. Of course you're not dead because you eventually wake up. Normally, you forget the dreams although there are times where you remember.

Obviously this guy fits the description of having gone through a 'dream'. However, I don't see him having been in the presence of Christ, and not be greatly changed. He comes back. He publishes books. Life still trickles on. However, a near-death experience is not death. There is no return from death. I feel that this man is able to profit off of this because there aren't very many people who are willing to chance a near-death experience to confirm that what he says is true. btw, I think I may have missed it, but I don't remember reading why he was sent back to his physical body. Because he hasn't fulfilled something in life, perhaps? Consequently, showing him the things not of this world doesn't add up. I'd be nigh insane if I'd seen the gates of Heaven, and was not yet allowed to go in. To know that I was so close to the Heavenly Son there's no way I wouldn't want to shout out madly to the world. But that's just lil' ole me.