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SteelDisciple
3rd November 2006, 01:32 PM
When I read this...I was in shock of how ignorant and fearful of things they don't understand this person was. Ignorance is a dangerous thing...unfortunetly hippy christianity is growing...snuffing out the true fire of Christ.


"first, allow me to tell my history so you know where i'm coming from. i grew up in a catholic home, but was a rebel against Christ. i hated church and all things of it. as a young adult, i was wild, dangerous, and lost. me and my friends would go out drinking and sometimes not come back home until 11:30, maybe even 12 at night. one time i drank so much beer that i threw up. other times we'd go out drunk spoiling for fights. one night we were out walking around drunk and my friend took a shovel and started digging up a stop sign. the police came and he went to jail for two days. it chills me to the bone now a days to think that it could have been me in cuffs going to the slammer. the only reason i mention these things is to demonstrate how lost and Godless i lived. during this time, the late 70s and early 80s, i got into the evil rock n' roll music scene. any blasphemous music, you name it, i had it. my favorite song was "the rolling stones" Sympathy for the Devil. i have since been cleansed of that filth, but back then, i was in chains. "lynrd synrd", "pink floyd", i was into all that evil secular rock n' roll, even "melattica"'s Master of Puppets. i was a rebel without a cause, and got fired from my job, lost my house, moved into an apartment, and lived a lost life. but one day, by an act of God, i decieded to attend a church service at Evangelical Church of Roseville, IN. they accepted me...for the first time in my life, i FELT accepted. i was soon shown the error of my ways and came into the Light...God's Light. i accepted Jesus into my heart, and have never looked back. i met my wife at a monthly Pizza n' Prayer gathering, and we're now married, a unity in Christ, and have two beautiful God-fearing children who love God and tithe from thier allowances. my son, nathan, is a good boy...smart, just like i was as a young kid, before i fell wayward. i don't want him to walk down the same dangerous path as i did, and will do anything to make sure he doesnt.

well, having said that, let me say that i keep a close eye on what my children watch/listen to. they dont watch fear faction on TV, no evil corrupt secular music. nathan, who attends a priviate christian highschool as a freshman, has good christian friends who are a positive influence on him. you can imagine my suprise then when he came home from school two months ago telling me about a christian rock n' roll band he'd heard about from his friend chris. i was very suspicious at first at how its possible for a christian band to be rock n' roll, remembering all of the evil Godless bands i used to listen to. i'd soon find out why. i asked him what the band's name was. as soon as i asked, he got a guilty look on his face and he said, "demon hunters." "what?" i asked. how can a christian band possibly have a name like that? i called my pastor and asked him what to do. he said that lot of bands pretended to be christian to sucker young kids in, then infest thier minds with filth. still, nathan said he was SURE that they were christian. so i sat down and told him to play me a song, as his friend chris had sent him one over the internet. the song i believe is called Undying. i was aprehensive asto what he might be listening to, but also curious asto what modern day rock n' roll might sound like, as i hadn't listened to anything but Godly praise music since the '80s. even at a business dinner party one time where they were playing some kind of secular progmattic rock or something i kindly asked them to turn it off so i didn't have to fill my mind with that filth. so anyway, nathan turned on the song and i listened. i cannot express with words what i heard. beneath the pounding drums and chaos guitars was something i had never heard before and never ever want to hear again: those screams so utterly demonic that they sound like theyre straight from the pit of hell. even the old bands i used to listen to werent that utterly evil sounding. i got about 45 seconds into the song before i demanded nathan turn it off and delete the song from the computer. he argued, so i did it myself, then did a cleansing prayer over our computer. i cannot believe what rock n' roll has become. bands such as the "demon hunters" calling themselves christian and playing this filth. i forbid nathan to ever play anything of that nature again, and to avoid chris, who was obviously dabbling in things he didn't understand at his young age. i called chris's parents and told them the whole story. they were horrified, and i told them that it was true. i then gave a good talking to nathan about how satan tries to look nice, to look elusive, but then strikes like a snake. but nathan was convinced that the "demon hunters" had christian lyrics, and he was in tears, so i figured i might as well look. so i looked up the lyrics for the first song of thier first album, screams of the undead, (an utterly dark and evil name) and read the words. nothing but dark, depressing, evil words. i read the rest of the lyrics and not once did i read the words "God" or "Lord" or "Jesus." clearly the "demon hunters" arent christian enough to even utter such righteous words.

well anyway, the next night, nathan got on the computer, and came to THIS forum here, and posted saying that his parents were mean and they wouldn't let him listen to christian rock n' roll, maybe you remember that, it was about 2 months ago. when i checked the internet history and saw he had been here of all places, i was furious, but also worried: having been a lost soul, i knew how elusive the darkness is. nathan couldn't help but be drawn back to to this place, the forum of the demon hunters. so i grounded him off of everything besides school and dinner for three months for disobeying both me and God. and i did read your replies to his thread, and all i can say is that a Christian band should not look like, sound, or talk like the demon hunters. not only do the band members look like marylin manson with black clothes and tattoos everywhere and skulls and demon heads, their lyrics are Ungodly (the song meaning thread is nothing but lies, a christian band should be outspoken, not twisted and metaphorical and dark sounding)...not only that, but also satanic sounding. and again, what really is scary is thier sound, the shreiks so evil and inhuman that they could be from satan himself. i pray that if you too are christian and believe the lies that rock n' roll like demon hunter is of God, that something will come in your life and tell you differently. after all, God wants us to sing him joyful songs of praise, not hateful screams of vengeance. or as the song Screams of the dead says, "I want to take them down, and strike them down and leave them struck down". should christian bands be talking about killing people in cold blood? i didn't think so.

take this what you want: a crabby, over-protective father's anger or soemthing even worse, but i just want you to know that "demon hunter" should be ashamed of themselves for luring young innocent kids into things so dark and black that they dont understnad. they are like pedophiles of the rock n' roll world: luring kids in and then raping thier minds. i have told my pastor all about this, and he gave a sermon last week about what he calls "a growing problem in today's christianity": young kids being lured into evil rock n' roll. i had no idea, but it is apparently an eppidemic in some churches, where they actually play it during intermissions or for videos. unthinkable. our church started a petition, one which has been sent to the Missouri Synod council, to ban groups like "demon hunters" from all churches or church related places. and as for my son nathan, he has been very sad about this all, because he really liked the "demon hunters". i realize that one builds an affinity for dark things once one has been exposed to it and nathan is no exception. to make amends, i went out and bought him some Michael W. Smith and 3rd Day CDs...acceptable christian music.

i will not ever be returning here, i can barely stand it right now. i just wanted you to know what i am doing and why. so if evil rock n' roll bands like "demon hunter" ever get banned, you will know why.

for those of you who still hold Christ as your savior, go talk to a parent or a trusted adult and tell them about this. they can get you help.

may the Blood of Jesus wash away all sins,

~a concerned parent"

noparty
3rd November 2006, 01:50 PM
I don't understand what's "hippy" about that. Seems like your standard ultra-conservative Jack Chick-esque witch hunt to me.

SteelDisciple
3rd November 2006, 02:19 PM
I agree on that.

As for hippy...basically the types that want everything suger-coated.

That particular individual strikes me as the type that would take only small portions of scripture to twist to their will.

The kid is the real victim here though. I feel sorry for him. Poor kids gonna get raised just like the dad. If he doesn't, he'll likely rebel against God later on because of one poor Christians example.

JulySheMustFly
3rd November 2006, 04:05 PM
This makes me sad and angry at the same time. That kid is going to have so much baggage to unload as an adult. I pray that the kid is able to see a life in Christ for what it truly is and not what his father has painted for him.

Just an aside but if this guy thought about it even the name Demon Hunter makes sense for a Christian. Seeking out the evil and expelling it hmmm. . . well as I've noticed some people would rather hide from it completely.

rosiecotton
3rd November 2006, 08:37 PM
I've never heard of Demon Hunters. (but Third Day is my favorite band!!!)

Aisynia
3rd November 2006, 11:21 PM
Maybe I misunderstanding but where is the father at fault? I, personally, only listen to Christian/Gospel music, Christian rock being in the mix. I'm pretty particular about the music in a song also because if it mirrors so much the music of the world then I don't find myself listening to it for praise, but rather pleasure. A few things the father could have did was to explain to his son exactly what he was trying to convey....

I've never heard of Demon Hunters, but if they band portrayed any of the characteristics that he described then I don't blame him for not allowing his son to listen to it. If the lyrics were devoid of any sort of praise to our Good Lord, likewise, I'd too get rid of the song.

Now if I read correctly the way the guy stated it he said that this forum was of the demon hunters....Now for that right there he'd be scolded something serious. It's a matter of discernment really. Knowing what Christ asks of you without mixing up what He wants with what you want. *shrugs* just my two cents is all

SoundCard
4th November 2006, 12:51 AM
I understand wanting to keep the kid away from things that might be influentialn in the entirely wrong ways, but this just isn't right.

rosiecotton
4th November 2006, 01:34 AM
Thing is, doesn't seem like the father really listened to the song very closely. I think he probably had his mind made up that they were a horrible band, and not really Christian.
I checked out their web site and it gives the reason for their name.....hunting demons, instead of being the prey of demon.
On their album covers they have a demon skulll with a bullet through it--a 'demon' that has been killed.
This is a link to the site (if I"m allowed to put it)
http://www.demonhunter.net/boards/viewforum.php?id=10
Personally, I don't like heavy metal music. But that is not a reason to put this band down and say they aren't Christian. On the link there is a page that tells the meaning of their songs. I didn't read about all of them, but the ones I did read all had something to do with God, or Jesus.
This is the meaning of the song he is talking about in the post that he says doesn't mention God or Jesus (and just because a song doesn't mention God or Jesus, doesn't mean it's not a Christian song)..........
1.SCREAMS OF THE UNDEAD
This song is about the difficulties of everyday temptations and hardships.
It speaks about the pain of growing accustomed to a version of yourself that
you know is impure and flawed. The purpose of the song is to stress the
importance of returning to the love and faith that was once so important to
those accept Christ and who have since fallen out of that relationship.
'Screams Of The Undead' is another way to say screams of the living. We are
'undead' because we have life in Christ, and the Bible talks about crying
out, when we have found ourselves enveloped in our worldly habits, and
that's where the 'scream' from the title comes to play.

Matthan
4th November 2006, 02:52 PM
There is both good and bad in the OP. Just remember that extremes of all kinds are always bad when it comes to human nature. Moderation without compromise is always the best route for all Christians and those who want to find Jesus.

Matthan

SteelDisciple
6th November 2006, 03:18 PM
Maybe I misunderstanding but where is the father at fault? I, personally, only listen to Christian/Gospel music, Christian rock being in the mix. I'm pretty particular about the music in a song also because if it mirrors so much the music of the world then I don't find myself listening to it for praise, but rather pleasure. A few things the father could have did was to explain to his son exactly what he was trying to convey....

I've never heard of Demon Hunters, but if they band portrayed any of the characteristics that he described then I don't blame him for not allowing his son to listen to it. If the lyrics were devoid of any sort of praise to our Good Lord, likewise, I'd too get rid of the song.

Now if I read correctly the way the guy stated it he said that this forum was of the demon hunters....Now for that right there he'd be scolded something serious. It's a matter of discernment really. Knowing what Christ asks of you without mixing up what He wants with what you want. *shrugs* just my two cents is all
I think the problem is that...in true extremist fundamentalism, he spoke before even thinking. He didn't really examine the lyrics...he didn't understand the music and instead in a self-righteous manner forced the kid to stop listening to it simply because of fear in his own ignorance. Nothing he said was true of Demon Hunter. (very christian guys I might add)