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Zecryphon
31st October 2006, 10:41 AM
:preach:

Well it's finally here, the day some Christians dread. Halloween! Or as some Christians might like to refer to it, Helloween. But since that name is being used by a heavy metal band there might be infringment issues. Every year around October 1st, Christians get their stomchs in a knot over Halloween. So much so, that in an effort to not celebrate Halloween, the local churches offer up Fall Festivals or Harvest Parties. These are nothing more than a sanitized version of a pagan holiday that has gotten the stamp of approval from the church.

Here's what a local church in my area is offering as part of their Fall Festival 2006:

Food, games, candy and lots of FUN!!! They will have an obstacle course, bounce houses, pony rides, petting zoo, train rides, "paintball the pastor", (that can't be a good thing, giving kids guns and telling them to shoot their pastor), water balloons, air-soft games (there's some more guns for you to give your kids so instead of shooting the pastor they're shooting each other. Yeah, that's a good idea! Have we forgotten the painful lessons of Columbine already?
I don't think video games and movies are really to blame for kids shooting each other these days. No, I think I'm gonna start to point the finger of accusation at the local church, I mean with games like this how are kids supposed to keep the sixth commandment. Jesus himself said in Matthew 5:21

21"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder,[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=47&chapter=5&verse=21&version=31&context=verse#fen-NIV-23256a)] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment."

Just what kind of values does this church hold to? Don't know, never visited it. They wiill also have a Bible Lane, and more!!

Hmm, wholesome family Christian fun or secular holiday that's even worse than what "everybody else" celebrates this time of year known as Halloween? A holiday where kids dress up in costumes, go trick or treating with their parents or friends, so they are either participating in quality time with their families or having fellowship with their friends. How can the church be against that? But apparently they are, for they have to sanitize this holiday with Harvest Festivals and Fall Festivals.

I say: "no more!" I say it's time we learned about our past and celebrated a holiday that holds great meaning for us as Christians, Reformation Day! The day when Martin Luther in 1517 nailed his 95 theses to the door of the church in Wittenburg, Germany thus sparking the Reformation movement, that gave rise to not only the Lutheran churches but all Protestant churches eventually.

It's a no brainer to me. Instead of Harvest Festivals we could have Reformation Day parties. Instead of paintballing the pastor, we could restage the debates between Luther and his critics, we could dress as our favorite Reformation figure, we could stage Reformation plays, we could have fun and learn something in the process about our history as Christians. The best part is that we'd be totally true to who we are too, we wouldn't be hijacking a Pagan holiday and trying to santize it to make it acceptable for us to participate in.
How can we in church on Sunday constantly say "Be in the world but not of it" when we take the holidays the secular world participates in and try to pass them off as something they were never intended to be? It's typical Christian hypocrisy and it has to stop.

So from me to you, Happy Reformation Day! Today, look up Martin Luther or read the 95 theses if you are so inclined. Listen to a Lutheran podcast or read a book about the Reformation. Learn about your past, so in the future you don't have to fret about Halloween ever again.

SteelDisciple
31st October 2006, 04:18 PM
I see Halloween has a corporate holiday where you buy candy.
That's about the only meaning left in it.

EdmundBlackadderTheThird
31st October 2006, 04:30 PM
Halloween has never been a pagan holiday. It is All Hallows Eve and was instituted by the Catholic Church and I assure you that our wonderful Catholic brothers and sisters are not now and have never been pagan. There is a pagan festival around this time of year but it is not an Oct 31 every year festival. I am wholly amused at Christians who do not bother to research anything and just vomit up "facts" they read somewhere and condemn other Christians because they don't believe these "facts". It shouldn't be amusing at all but the level of ignorance in these threads every year serves only to amuse those who know their history or make them very depressed at the ignorance of their fellow Christians. And people wonder why the world laughs at us!

Zecryphon
31st October 2006, 08:07 PM
Halloween has never been a pagan holiday. It is All Hallows Eve and was instituted by the Catholic Church and I assure you that our wonderful Catholic brothers and sisters are not now and have never been pagan. There is a pagan festival around this time of year but it is not an Oct 31 every year festival. I am wholly amused at Christians who do not bother to research anything and just vomit up "facts" they read somewhere and condemn other Christians because they don't believe these "facts". It shouldn't be amusing at all but the level of ignorance in these threads every year serves only to amuse those who know their history or make them very depressed at the ignorance of their fellow Christians. And people wonder why the world laughs at us!
And why did the Catholic church institute All Hallow's Eve? And why institute a holiday that coincides closely with a Celtic holiday that is already in existence? The Catholics didn't invent Halloween, it was actually a Celtic celebration.

They may be responsible for the Black Mass, the jury is still out on that one. I don't think you're in a position to criticize others for being misinformed as one of my sources cites the modern day Halloween as being rooted in a Celtic holiday known as Samhain.

So if that's true, and according to my friend who celebrates Samhain, it is true, how could the Catholics have invented Halloween?

Here is one of my sources:

http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=Minisite_Generic&content_type_id=713&display_order=1&mini_id=1076

oliveplants
31st October 2006, 08:44 PM
Happy reformation day back at ya!
(good idea)

RonnyRulz
31st October 2006, 09:21 PM
BeCaUsE HaLlOwEeN iS eViL OoOoOOooOooOOo!!!!! lol jk

People don't like halloween for the same reason the Pharisees didn't like Jesus or his Disciples. Man's tradition, Man's religion, Man's righteousness, Man-made crapola of rules and set ways you have to believe.

This isn't so bad though, at least they have a kinda-sensical-but-not-really-logical reason to not like halloween. It gets worse when people refuse to celebrate Easter and Christmas because they were once:
PaGaN HoLiDaYs OoOoOOooOooOOo!!!!!

Those type of people need to be locked up in the looney bin for being so insane. You know, there's a big difference between thinking for yourself and being capable of successfully thinking for yourself. Some people think "I'm going to think of WHY I celebrate these days, and learn about them." that's good, but only if they can follow through using logic to conclude it's because Jesus is so awesome. But nope, they conclude "Instead of celebrating Jesus's birthday with love, presents, and christmas cheer, I'm going to refuse it because it's PAGAN!" In your face Jesus! That'll teach you to have a pagan birthday party. .....lol In all honesty I don't see anti-halloween people any different from those anti-christmas anti-easter christians, and no different from the atheists who are anti-christmas. I just now realized that. Some Christians crusade to destroy halloween, but whine when atheists do the same with a different holiday. Although Christmas is more meaning and awesome, Halloween can be very fun, very exciting, and a very loving holiday.

Think about this one: Completely strangers open up their hearts to buy children candy. FOR FREE. They give away their selves for others. What a great Christian holiday! What could be better than giving other's selflessly? Halloween rocks!

ProfessorJ
5th November 2006, 08:36 PM
Yeah, people have gone overboard smashing Halloween. Even though it happens around the Celtic holiday Samhain, it was started by Catholics. It was originally meant to laugh after Satan and his minions, and to give thanks for the unnamed saints(who, technically, are every Christian that has lived). But today, it's even more ridiculous to try and purge the world of Halloween because all its become is a money-maker for candy companies. Its meaning has been corrupted, just like so many other celebrations nowdays. God bless
J