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7angel
26th October 2006, 07:53 PM
Gospel
Lk 12:49-53 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/luke/luke12.htm#v49)

Jesus said to his disciples:
“I have come to set the earth on fire,
and how I wish it were already blazing!
There is a baptism with which I must be baptized,
and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished!


That fire to which Jesus talks about, is the Spirit Santo, and the baptism? that baptism talks about? -- Suffering like a man and by love to the man and in fact by love to God, that was its baptism. all man baptizes itself when he begins in a new instance of his life and Jesus therefore did it. Fire baptism is said when a soldier participates for the first time in a battle, Jesus continues battling by our salvation, "" I will be with you until the end of the world ""

Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth?
No, I tell you, but rather division.
From now on a household of five will be divided,
three against two and two against three;
a father will be divided against his son
and a son against his father,
a mother against her daughter
and a daughter against her mother,
a mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law
and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”

attention, that Jesus mentions the other way around to the greater ones against the minors and, the father against the son and the son against the father, that means? --- old and the new thing, the old customs and traditions of the man, against new and without end of an eternal life that nor we can imagine by its greatness and wonders that God has to us prepared. as it says San Pablo in of his letters, “our fight is not against the man, is against the spirits of air, egoísmo, vanity, pride, violence, fear, covets, hatred. these are the spirits of the air who live in all man, are born with the man and grow with, is the weeds of the parable of Jesus.

Eph 3:14-21 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/ephesians/ephesians3.htm#v14)

Brothers and sisters:
I kneel before the Father,
from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named,
that he may grant you in accord with the riches of his glory
to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inner self,
and that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith;
that you, rooted and grounded in love,
may have strength to comprehend with all the holy ones
what is the breadth and length and height and depth,
and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge,
so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

Now to him who is able to accomplish far more than all we ask or imagine,
by the power at work within us,
to him be glory in the Church and in Christ Jesus
to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.


Ps 33:1-2, 4-5, 11-12, 18-1 (http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/psalms/psalm33.htm#v1)
Exult, you just, in the LORD;
praise from the upright is fitting.
Give thanks to the LORD on the harp;
with the ten.stringed lyre chant his praises. For upright is the word of the LORD,
and all his works are trustworthy.
He loves justice and right;
of the kindness of the LORD the earth is full. But the plan of the LORD stands forever;
the design of his heart, through all generations.
Blessed the nation whose God is the LORD,
the people he has chosen for his own inheritance.
But see, the eyes of the LORD are upon those who fear him,
upon those who hope for his kindness,
To deliver them from death
and preserve them in spite of famine.

SFC
27th October 2006, 04:13 AM
Fire is used so offend in the Bible. Be it the pillar of fire by night, the burning bush, the fire that only burned the bondages of Daniel's friends as well as the Lake of Fire which is only mentioned in the Book of Revelation. God is a consuming fire.

SFC
27th October 2006, 04:14 AM
Oh yea don't forget the cloven tongues of fire on the day of Pentecost.

7angel
27th October 2006, 06:35 PM
why you fear at God word? In this way never you will know the truth

SFC
27th October 2006, 08:44 PM
why you fear at God word? In this way never you will know the truth
I have no idea what you are saying?????

SFC
28th October 2006, 04:16 AM
There are many things in the Bible that are mysteries; the Word mystery means sacred secret in the Greek. I was once told by a brother their were no mysteries in the Bible. Look it up I believe the word mystery is in the NT 27 times. The Bible is written in parables types shadows, allegories, different languages and culture etc…... Some where within all these different categories is something deep hidden and awesome direct from the Spirit of God.

7angel
28th October 2006, 08:20 AM
I did not speak of you nor of anybody in individual, but to which they are dumb and they do not animate themselves to open his mouths. The subject is what it happens today, cannot be followed to the Lord, if we are tied to old customs and traditions......... why to plow the Earth with an ox?

Did you read the ten talents parable ?

Svt4Him
28th October 2006, 10:44 PM
Yup, lost me to. But please remember to cite work that is not your own.

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linssue55
29th October 2006, 12:42 PM
Here is the true meanings of the verses.

Luke...
{Not Peace, but Division}
12:49 "Fire . . . I {Jesus} have come to throw on the earth. And how much more I wish it was already lit!


12:50``Moreover, I {Jesus} have an immersion/baptism {baptisma} 'by which I will be overwhelmed' {baptizo}.

{baptizo means 'to be immersed' or 'to be identified with' - this appears to be the work on the cross for salvation - Jesus will be 'identified with' sin for the first time in His existence} And how distressed I am until 'it is finished' {teleo}!

{teleo is one of the last words Jesus expressed on the cross - talking about His part in the plan of God for our salvation - His taking to Himself voluntarily the punishment for all the sins of the world - He was alive still when the act of salvation was completed - then He dismissed His spirit and died physically}


12:51``'Do you think'/'Are you of the opinion' {dokeo}
that I {Jesus} 'have come near you' {paraginomai}
to bring about peace {eirene} on earth?
Absolutely no, I tell you, but rather division/'a parting' {diamerismos}!


{Note: God says 'My Ways are not your ways'. When you replace your human viewpoint with His Divine viewpoint through the daily, consistent intake of the Word, you will naturally begin to apply His Viewpoint to your experiences in life. You will see how others have human viewpoint still. Their viewpoint will be anywhere from extreme human genius to complete stupidity - but BOTH are still only human viewpoint. You will be separated from them in the way they think and therefore the way they act. This will be a natural division and it will be in families, the work place, the church, etc. Just remember do NOT judge others. And, do not try and 'correct them'. Instead, encourage them. Lead them by your example. They will see your relaxed mental attitude and ask YOU how they can think like you do!}


12:52`` For from now on there will be five in one household divided, three against two and two against three.


12:53`` They will be divided, father against son
and son against father, mother against daughter
and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."


Eph. 3:.....
{Verses 14-15: Indication of Apostolic Prayer - Learning Doctrine}

14~~For this reason, I kneel/'bow my knees'
face to face with the Father {pater}.

{Note: Concept here is of prayer. All prayer is addressed to God the Father. All prayer should be done in humility. Posture is not important. It is your mental attitude that is important.}


15~~Out from the source of Whom {God the Father - 'pater'} the entire {Royal} Family {patria} in heavens {plural} and on earth derives its name/title.

{Note: This is a paronomasia (play on words in the Greek - pater and patria). The word for 'Family' (patria) comes from the word for the title of the first person of the Godhead - 'Father' (pater). Actually, our 'spiritual descent' is based upon regeneration. And, our spiritual descent is royalty. This is the only dispensation in which there is royalty in the family of God.}


{Content of the Prayer - by Means of Reaching SuperGrace}

16~~In order that He might give you all - to your advantage -according to the standard of the riches {ploutos} . . . of His glory/essence {all that God is}
to become strong {krataioo - advance to SuperGrace}
by means of power {doctrine in your soul} through His Spirit {see Galatians 5:16}with reference to the inner man {soul}.

{Note: Ploutos means materialist riches in time. SuperGrace blessing is 'heaven on earth'. But materialist blessings are meaningless unless you have the 'capacity' to enjoy them. David referred to this as the 'cup in his soul' and 'my cup runnith over'. God can not pour unless you have a 'cup'. Doctrine in your soul forms the cup/altar/'Edification Complex of the Soul'.}


(cont)

linssue55
29th October 2006, 12:49 PM
{Note: Krataioo is the word from which we get words like Demo-cratic. 'Demo' is the word for the people (as also in 'demographics'). The 'cratic' suffix means to rule or be strong. So Democratic describes an area ruled by the people. Here 'krataioo' means to grow strong via bible doctrine and thereby grow spirituality to SuperGrace status.}


17~~{That} the Christ may indwell/'be at home'
in your right lobes/heart through the doctrine
{'doctrine' is 'what is believed' and therefore 'Truth'}
{assimilated} in the sphere of agape {virtue} love
after having rooted doctrine in the right lobe
and after having been rooted
and after having received the foundation


{first floor of Edification Complex of the Soul (ECS)}.

{Note: God the Holy Spirit indwells the body. Christ is said to indwell the mentality of the soul. Principal here is Occupation with Christ. When you assimilate enough doctrine into your soul, then you have fellowship with Christ on the road to SuperGrace. If you go into reversionism, then Christ is no longer at home and is instead outside knocking on the door - with discipline. See Revelation 3:20.}


{Verses 18-21:Doctine of the SuperGrace Life - Pleroma Tou Theou}

18-~In order that, you all might have complete {'grace'} ability {through daily intake} to totally comprehend {yourself} in the company of all saints
{emphasizing assembly of believers} . . .
what . . . {is} the breadth {the great width - implies storage of Church Age doctrine}, and length
{implies time categories of doctrine - dispensations etc. }, and depth {implies doctrines related to the angelic conflict}, and height {implies doctrines concerning the Godhead)}

19~~and {te} to come to know {intelligent comprehension of} the surpassing gnosis/knowledge agape/love which belongs to the Christ
in order that you might be filled up
to all the fullness {SuperGrace blessings}
from the source of the God {pleroma tou Theou}.


{Note: 'Te' is a classical Greek particle and is unusual to find used in the Bible. Paul here is using it to closely tie verse 18 with 19.}


{Note: To become spiritually mature, we have to get beyond 'gnosis' knowledge to epignosis knowledge which belongs to Jesus - the mind of Christ - Bible doctrine. Once you have built the 'cup'/'edification complex' in the soul', then God can fill up your cup. God pours and you are blessed. You have to know Christ to really love Him.}


{Note: Pleroma Tou Theou means 'Fullness from God'. 'Pleroma' to describe a believer who has reached SuperGrace.}

{Divine Authority is Related to the SuperGrace Blessing}

20~~Now to the One . . . Himself . . .being able far beyond all things . . .to do 'exceedingly abundantly'/'infinitely more' than that which we 'keep on asking'/'have always wanted' or be imagining
{more than 'we could ever imagine when we are imaging'} according to the {inherent} power
being itself effective in us {bible doctrine + filling of the Spirit}.


{Ways God is Glorified in Time: In Study, In Christ, and In Blessing Us in Satan's World}

21a~~To Him . . . the glory in the church/class
{ekklesia - as the local classroom - by taking in His Word} and in Christ Jesus {by being in union with Him - Positional Truth} with reference to all generations
{of the unique Church age} . . .forever and ever.
{God is glorified in giving us SuperGrace blessings}


21b~~Amen/'I believe it'
{acclamation of doctrine in Christian worship}.

{Note: Ekklesia is the word for the assembly of believers and does mean church. Here it represents the church in its role as the local classroom. As you take in the Word of God, you bring glory to the Lord.}