Truth

[SurfedIT]

I wasn't sure what to put this under.. BUT!
Here is something I would like to hear what others think.

Lets say that it's World war 2. You are a christian and you are hiding Jews from the Nazi's. If the Nazi's came to your house and asked if you were hiding Jews would you lie or tell the truth and say you had them hidden there?

~Heidi

[JTLauder]

I don't think it would make a difference what you tell them. They are going to look anyway. So let's just hope you have a good hiding place.

[genestealerbroodlord]

I would lie, as i feel that keeping people safe from harm would be more important than telling the truth in this type of situation.

[christianmomof3]

A Christian family did hide some of my relatives during WWII. That is why they survived and made it to the USA.
A question like yours assumes that there are absolutes and there are not.
We must always follow the Lord Himself, and not be legalistic and rely on outward rules. Usually, the outward rule is correct, but there are always exceptions such as the one you have shown.

[tonysma]

If I was hiding one, I would make sure I had a good hiding place...most likely would not tell, because of God I was hiding them...the love of God....they would probably killed you even if you told them there was a jew there...

[yodafett]

I honestly don't know. It really puts you in a place where it seems liek no matter what you do, you're going against the word somehow.

[rosiecotton]

Yes, I would lie to protect them. Rahab lied about the two spies when the soldier came looking for them. And she is mentioned in Hebrews 11, the faith chapter.
I think sometimes that yes, a lie is ok, if it's going to save someones life.
What if it was your child you were protecting?

[yodafett]

There is also the issue of bowing to earthly authority. (depending on where this hypothetical confrontation is occurring) If we rebel against that, aren't we rebelling against Him, as well?

[dvd_holc]

What is more important to cause death or to lay down your life for another?

[holo]

WWTWWJDPD (what would the WWJD people do)?

The right thing would be to lie, of course.

[yodafett]

The right thing would be to lie, of course.

Proverbs 24:28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%2024:28&version=31)
Do not testify against your neighbor without cause, or use your lips to deceive. (emphasis mine)

1 Peter 3:10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20peter%203:10;&version=31;)
For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.

I just don't see how lying is the right thing to do. :scratch:

I agree that something should be done to help them, but I have to equate the need to lie as not fully relying on God and trusting in Him and His plan. I don't remember there being any "uness you reeeeeeealy need to" loopholes in the Commandments (the OT ones, or NT ones). Not trying to be inflamatory or push buttons, just trying to reconcile the need/desire to help comfort and shelter with following His commands and fully trusting His ways.

[dvd_holc]

Did you hear that Jesus was asked 300+ question, but only about 3 times He gave direct answers? Do you have to lie? Can you refuse to answer? Can you give a answer that worked to your advantage without lieing? Will you actual die to save them?

[yodafett]

Can you refuse to answer? Can you give a answer that worked to your advantage without lieing? Will you actual die to save them?

I would think refusing to answer would be fine, so long as you know that you are accepting the repercussions of that as they affect you. Giving an answer that works to your advantage without lying? I don't know, that still sounds awful close to deceiving to me. Die to save them? I don't know. That's something I would hav eprayed about before opening my home to them. I'd like to say that I would know that is a possible outcome, and if I'm sheltering them, that yes, I am ready to die for them. But then again, I'm human, so I really can't say.

Just for the record, I'm not trying to play "holier than thou" or say that I wouldn't lie, or do anything I can to protect them. I'm just saying what I think I should do in that situation.

[rosiecotton]

I would think refusing to answer would be fine, so long as you know that you are accepting the repercussions of that as they affect you. Giving an answer that works to your advantage without lying? I don't know, that still sounds awful close to deceiving to me. Die to save them? I don't know. That's something I would hav eprayed about before opening my home to them. I'd like to say that I would know that is a possible outcome, and if I'm sheltering them, that yes, I am ready to die for them. But then again, I'm human, so I really can't say.

Just for the record, I'm not trying to play "holier than thou" or say that I wouldn't lie, or do anything I can to protect them. I'm just saying what I think I should do in that situation.

What if it were your child you were protecting? Or your spouse?

[yodafett]

What if it were your child you were protecting? Or your spouse?

I would LIKE to say that I would do my best to protect them, but also trust in the LORD and His way. I would also be VERY reluctant to knowingly impose on someone else and make them suffer the same punishment for protecting us, realizing the position it would put them in.

[holo]

Proverbs 24:28 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%2024:28&version=31)
Do not testify against your neighbor without cause, or use your lips to deceive. (emphasis mine)

1 Peter 3:10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20peter%203:10;&version=31;)
For, "Whoever would love life and see good days must keep his tongue from evil and his lips from deceitful speech.

I just don't see how lying is the right thing to do. :scratch:

I agree that something should be done to help them, but I have to equate the need to lie as not fully relying on God and trusting in Him and His plan. I don't remember there being any "uness you reeeeeeealy need to" loopholes in the Commandments (the OT ones, or NT ones). Not trying to be inflamatory or push buttons, just trying to reconcile the need/desire to help comfort and shelter with following His commands and fully trusting His ways.I really think this is a good example of how the letter kills, how much better it is to be under grace instead of law, having the Spirit instead of the letter.

It's obvious that the right thing in this situation would be to lie to protect the jews. Of course it is! But christians are always so keen on living according to the letter that they are blinded even to what's right and wrong in a certain situation.

Our answer to this question also betrays who we think God is, and what his will is; why on earth do we believe that he's actually more keen on us not lying than protecting innocent lives?

[dvd_holc]

Why is that we bear witness to the truth when we become set on lying? Is this the complete measure of your creative abilities that you must lie? And don't think I am suggesting to give a creative answer is to create a lie. Jesus at times did not answer. At times, He allowed people to beat Him. At other times, He spoke in parables. Some He hinted at things by quote particular scriptures letting His audience work to get the answer. He even let them scourage Him, and He die upon a cross. All of this was to direct questions. So then, those who are saying they are Christians follow in the steps of faith that Jesus took because He is the example. How can we argue about ideas without going back to what Jesus actually spoke of and demonstrated and still call ourselves of Jesus? The heart of being a disciple of Jesus is being comsumed by a fire to be just like our teacher Jesus in every way possible.