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CaliforniaJosiah
19th October 2006, 05:53 PM
I read the following from Fr. Anthony M. Coniaris (The Eastern Orthodox Church - Who Are We?" c. 1977 Light and Life Publishing, Minneapolis, MN)


"The highest authority of the Eastern Church is the Ecumenical Council, involving the whole church. When the bishops of the church define a matter of faith in an Ecumenical Council, their decision must be accepted by the lay people of the church as a whole. Only then is it considered inspired by the Holy Spirit, who resides in the whole church, consisting of clergy and laity. This makes not one person - be he bishop, pope or patriarch, but every person together within the church responsble for Christian truth. There have been instances where decisions of the bishops in Council have not been accepted because they were rejected by the church as a whole."


1. I'd deeply appreciate some general comments. I'm "reading this" largely through Catholic "eyes" and know I must not do that. So I'd appreciate any comments that might help me understand exactly what is being said there.


2. What, exactly, is meant by "Ecumenical Council." Are we speaking of the first 7 that the RCC also embrace? What the the last such Council the EO recognizes? Why? Would the EO be open to one today? Would that be possible? Who would be included (if I'm not being too theoretical here)?


3. "Their decision must be accepted by the lay people of the church as a whole, only then can it be consider inspired..." Does this mean there is a broad, ecumenical consensus and affirmation by the entire laity before something would be considered embraced? (IF so, this is clearly the exact opposite of how Authority works in the RCC).


4. "There have been instances where decisions of the bishops in Council have not been accepted as binding because they were rejected by the church as a whole." Can you give me some examples? I sincerely doubt this would happen in the EO, but THEORETICALLY (as I apply this epistemology to other faith communities), could something once accepted now be rejected because that affirmation has vanished?



Thank you!!


Blessings!


- Josiah

Lotar
19th October 2006, 06:19 PM
2. What, exactly, is meant by "Ecumenical Council." Are we speaking of the first 7 that the RCC also embrace? What the the last such Council the EO recognizes? Why? Would the EO be open to one today? Would that be possible? Who would be included (if I'm not being too theoretical here)?

The first seven, plus two others are often included (fourth and fifth councils of Constantinople). If we include the last two, then the last Ecumenical Council was 1341-1351. Sometimes the Synod of Jerusalem is also included, which was in 1672.

Yes, there can be more. Orthodox bishops would be the ones involved.





3. "Their decision must be accepted by the lay people of the church as a whole, only then can it be consider inspired..." Does this mean there is a broad, ecumenical consensus and affirmation by the entire laity before something would be considered embraced? (IF so, this is clearly the exact opposite of how Authority works in the RCC).


It's not quite that easy.





4. "There have been instances where decisions of the bishops in Council have not been accepted as binding because they were rejected by the church as a whole." Can you give me some examples? I sincerely doubt this would happen in the EO, but THEORETICALLY (as I apply this epistemology to other faith communities), could something once accepted now be rejected because that affirmation has vanished?



Thank you!!


Blessings!


- Josiah


The iconoclast councils.
The councils against St. Photius.
The council against St. Gregory Palamas.
The council of Florence.

It happens. Generally it is something pressured by the government and attended by few bishops, and is then rejected.

If it is rejected, it is rejected immediately, not a thousand years or so down the line.

CaliforniaJosiah
19th October 2006, 06:33 PM
(I deeply and sincerely apologize for the "thumb down" icon that appeared with the title of this thread - how it got selected is beyond me, but purely an accident)

RobNJ
19th October 2006, 06:51 PM
(I deeply and sincerely apologize for the "thumb down" icon that appeared with the title of this thread - how it got selected is beyond me, but purely an accident)


Thumb down icon? what thumb down icon? ;)

xristos.anesti
19th October 2006, 07:01 PM
In short.

Contrary to the West, which was in those days (arguably) a rather poor and somewhat barbarian part of the empire with only one Apostolic See, that of imperial City, Old Rome the East was well developed in every way - and as far as our Holy Faith is concerned, it had many Apostolic Sees, four of which - with passage of time - gained respect to stand apart by different virtues, Apostolicity and Divinity, Christianity, Education and Imperial Authority being Jerusalem, Antiochia, Alexandria and New Rome.

So, when with passage of time, the divide between the two spheres of Christendom became more obvious and concrete the idea of authority became different.

West had one see that was Apostolic while East had many, it was much harder - and really impossible - for us in the East "to have Rome and with Rome - THE POPE" even with the New Rome (Constantin City).

Everything else is really the consequence of this.



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