What are yalls thoughts

[CowboyUp8075]

:scratch: what are yalls thoughts of the book of reelations? is it possible that we are in the end times rite know as we speak? the bible speaks of war, and rite know we are a war with iIraq. we got our guard up for Korea, and the you just had the skirmish b/w isreal and lebannon, which was predicted in the bible?

[novcncy]

:scratch: what are yalls thoughts of the book of reelations? is it possible that we are in the end times rite know as we speak? the bible speaks of war, and rite know we are a war with iIraq. we got our guard up for Korea, and the you just had the skirmish b/w isreal and lebannon, which was predicted in the bible?

Haven't Israel and Lebanon been at it, so to speak, for some time? Which prediction do you think the recent incidents fulfil?

[CowboyUp8075]

Haven't Israel and Lebanon been at it, so to speak, for some time? Which prediction do you think the recent incidents fulfil?
to be honest im not to honestly shur. in the bible it mentions an upriseing in what is know called the middle east. but this is also coming from some one that is currently enlisted in the US Army.

[novcncy]

to be honest im not to honestly shur. in the bible it mentions an upriseing in what is know called the middle east. but this is also coming from some one that is currently enlisted in the US Army.

Well, since you say you're not sure, I'll call you honest. :)

The thing is, you're going to get such a spectrum of opinion on this bb, that it's quite possible you'll end up FAR more confused than anything.

[CowboyUp8075]

Well, since you say you're not sure, I'll call you honest. :)

The thing is, you're going to get such a spectrum of opinion on this bb, that it's quite possible you'll end up FAR more confused than anything.
im an open minded person. i dont like to have one thing on my mind and not get other peoples thoughts are opiones. im open to suggestion.

[novcncy]

im an open minded person. i dont like to have one thing on my mind and not get other peoples thoughts are opiones. im open to suggestion.

Allright then, there are several books which speak to prophecy, and the end times specifically. The major ones are the Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, and Zechariah. The minor prophets all see Israel during the Millenium, and so they are applicable at some level to developing an eschatological framework, and Jesus had some very pointed things to say about the end times to the Jews.

The short answer to the OP is probably. But then again, Peter and John thought they would see Christ return again, and two thousand years later, it''s still imminent. I'm curious to know what you think.

[christian73]

:scratch: what are yalls thoughts of the book of reelations? is it possible that we are in the end times rite know as we speak? the bible speaks of war, and rite know we are a war with iIraq. we got our guard up for Korea, and the you just had the skirmish b/w isreal and lebannon, which was predicted in the bible?
Unless I'm mistaken, doesn't Israel have to undergo a surprise attack by another country? Ezekiel speaks of this I think. If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.

[JPPT1974]

Allright then, there are several books which speak to prophecy, and the end times specifically. The major ones are the Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, and Zechariah. The minor prophets all see Israel during the Millenium, and so they are applicable at some level to developing an eschatological framework, and Jesus had some very pointed things to say about the end times to the Jews.

The short answer to the OP is probably. But then again, Peter and John thought they would see Christ return again, and two thousand years later, it''s still imminent. I'm curious to know what you think.

True Isreal is the main place where
Jesus was from and that the Prophets
Were paving the wave for Him to come
It has been over 2,000 years since Jesus
Said that He was coming back on the earth
To get us all and we will never know until that
Day comes!

[christian73]

True Isreal is the main place where
Jesus was from and that the Prophets
Were paving the wave for Him to come
It has been over 2,000 years since Jesus
Said that He was coming back on the earth
To get us all and we will never know until that
Day comes!

:amen:

I'm looking forward to that day!

[DeaconDean]

Two things come to mind to remind us that we certainly in the "last days."

1) "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves." -Rev. 11:7-9

The two witnesses, whom ever you subscribe to them being, will be seen across the entire world lying dead in the streets for three and a half days. This technology would not have been possible at any time in human history until the early 1960's. With the launch of Syncom 1 by the Huges Corporation, I believe was the name, in 1962, satellite television became possible. Now we have the technology for this prophesy to be fulfilled.

2) Most regard the fig tree of the Bible as being used in conjunction with Israel. Jesus said:

"And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." -Lk. 21:24

Many believe that on May 24(?), 1948, when the UN granted Israel status as an independant state, this prophesy was fulfilled. However, one must see this scripture in it's full light. While Israel did become a state in 1948, the scripture in Lk. 21:24 is not yet quite fulfilled. By that I mean, that while Israel is an independant state, Israel is not yet fully under Israeli rule. One of the most holy places in Jerusalem is still under Gentile rule. Mt. Moriah. The place where the Muslems say Mohommad was taken up by an angel. The Jews also claim this spot as the spot where Abraham was ordered by God to sacrifice his son Isaac. So all of Jerusalem is not yet under Israeli rule. And therefore, Jerusalem is still being trodden down of the Gentiles. (Side note: anyone who is not a Jew, is a Gentile. Therefore, the Muslems are Gentiles.)

So while we are in the last days, not all prophesy has yet been fulfilled.

God Bless

Till all are one.

[christian73]

Two things come to mind to remind us that we certainly in the "last days."

1) "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves." -Rev. 11:7-9

The two witnesses, whom ever you subscribe to them being, will be seen across the entire world lying dead in the streets for three and a half days. This technology would not have been possible at any time in human history until the early 1960's. With the launch of Syncom 1 by the Huges Corporation, I believe was the name, in 1962, satellite television became possible. Now we have the technology for this prophesy to be fulfilled.

2) Most regard the fig tree of the Bible as being used in conjunction with Israel. Jesus said:

"And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." -Lk. 21:24

Many believe that on May 24(?), 1948, when the UN granted Israel status as an independant state, this prophesy was fulfilled. However, one must see this scripture in it's full light. While Israel did become a state in 1948, the scripture in Lk. 21:24 is not yet quite fulfilled. By that I mean, that while Israel is an independant state, Israel is not yet fully under Israeli rule. One of the most holy places in Jerusalem is still under Gentile rule. Mt. Moriah. The place where the Muslems say Mohommad was taken up by an angel. The Jews also claim this spot as the spot where Abraham was ordered by God to sacrifice his son Isaac. So all of Jerusalem is not yet under Israeli rule. And therefore, Jerusalem is still being trodden down of the Gentiles. (Side note: anyone who is not a Jew, is a Gentile. Therefore, the Muslems are Gentiles.)

So while we are in the last days, not all prophesy has yet been fulfilled.

God Bless

Till all are one.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the temple have to be rebuilt too?

[CowboyUp8075]

Two things come to mind to remind us that we certainly in the "last days."

1) "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves." -Rev. 11:7-9

The two witnesses, whom ever you subscribe to them being, will be seen across the entire world lying dead in the streets for three and a half days. This technology would not have been possible at any time in human history until the early 1960's. With the launch of Syncom 1 by the Huges Corporation, I believe was the name, in 1962, satellite television became possible. Now we have the technology for this prophesy to be fulfilled.

2) Most regard the fig tree of the Bible as being used in conjunction with Israel. Jesus said:

"And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." -Lk. 21:24

Many believe that on May 24(?), 1948, when the UN granted Israel status as an independant state, this prophesy was fulfilled. However, one must see this scripture in it's full light. While Israel did become a state in 1948, the scripture in Lk. 21:24 is not yet quite fulfilled. By that I mean, that while Israel is an independant state, Israel is not yet fully under Israeli rule. One of the most holy places in Jerusalem is still under Gentile rule. Mt. Moriah. The place where the Muslems say Mohommad was taken up by an angel. The Jews also claim this spot as the spot where Abraham was ordered by God to sacrifice his son Isaac. So all of Jerusalem is not yet under Israeli rule. And therefore, Jerusalem is still being trodden down of the Gentiles. (Side note: anyone who is not a Jew, is a Gentile. Therefore, the Muslems are Gentiles.)

So while we are in the last days, not all prophesy has yet been fulfilled.

God Bless

Till all are one.
so what your sayin in Lk. 21:24-28, that when the gentilles or opposers whomever they may be are gone, then that prophecy would be fullfilled? well, we are at war with terriorist aka muslums. but in some sence to lookin at that picture the prophecy has allready begun?

Cowboy

[CowboyUp8075]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the temple have to be rebuilt too?
yes in rev. (cant find exate verse) but i remember it say that the antichrist will rebuild the church and take his throne there. aka the discension, is what its called if im not mistaken.

[GordonSlocum]

In Short, Israel is back in the land. A time will come where Europe will take sides with Israel more than they presently do. It will be a false support because it will end 3 and 1/2 years after the Church is raptured out. All the minute details concerning the present situation are not explained to us in Scripture. What we do know is that God will bring them back and this started in the 40s basically. Even today Jewish peoples are still leaving other countries to live in Israel.

So the next prophecitc event to take place is the Rapture. Once it happens from our advantage point we know that a time table of 7 years will take place to fulfill the 70th week of Daiel. At the end of this Great Tribulatoini Christ well return / All the saints with Him and will be King on earth for 1000 years.

Animals will not be hostile, there won't be any wars until the end of the 1000 year kingdom of which the Lord permits as Satan's final as He is releasd from the pit.

Following that there will be New Heavens and New Earth. Some say a completely New Earth and others say the existing earth is re-formed following fire and judgment.

Gordon

[christian73]

In Short, Israel is back in the land. A time will come where Europe will take sides with Israel more than they presently do. It will be a false support because it will end 3 and 1/2 years after the Church is raptured out. All the minute details concerning the present situation are not explained to us in Scripture. What we do know is that God will bring them back and this started in the 40s basically. Even today Jewish peoples are still leaving other countries to live in Israel.

So the next prophecitc event to take place is the Rapture. Once it happens from our advantage point we know that a time table of 7 years will take place to fulfill the 70th week of Daiel. At the end of this Great Tribulatoini Christ well return / All the saints with Him and will be King on earth for 1000 years.

Animals will not be hostile, there won't be any wars until the end of the 1000 year kingdom of which the Lord permits as Satan's final as He is releasd from the pit.

Following that there will be New Heavens and New Earth. Some say a completely New Earth and others say the existing earth is re-formed following fire and judgment.

Gordon

Israel has to be attacked before the false treaty with Israel takes place, I think. I think that's in Ezekiel. I could be wrong, though.

[JacobHall86]

Isreal of Today is not the Israel of the Bible.

[UBERROGO]

I'm halfway convinced that the book of Revlation tells us of the Roman Catholic Mass. And I'm not even Roman Catholic!

[christian73]

Isreal of Today is not the Israel of the Bible.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but would you be willing to explain that?

[JacobHall86]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but would you be willing to explain that?

I would Love to.

Modern Christians are under the impression that Israel of Today is the same as the Chosen of God from the Old Testament. Simply stated, they arent.

First of all, Gods Chosen people are no longer hte Jews, but the Christians, the Church, the People who he came and gave himself up for.

Also, look at the actions of Isreal, they are a secular society, not a Theocracy like in the OT. The UN set up Israel of today, Not God.

[UBERROGO]

I would Love to.

Modern Christians are under the impression that Israel of Today is the same as the Chosen of God from the Old Testament. Simply stated, they arent.

First of all, Gods Chosen people are no longer hte Jews, but the Christians, the Church, the People who he came and gave himself up for.

Also, look at the actions of Isreal, they are a secular society, not a Theocracy like in the OT. The UN set up Israel of today, Not God.
I didnt know you were a replacement theologian. Although it is hardly a replacement, but a continuation rather. I do believe there is a distinction between the blood relations to Abraham and the Christians with a pagan bloodline. How the distinction comes into play Im undecided.

[DeaconDean]

If one subscribes to the book of Daniel not yet being fully fulfilled, and the Olivet Discourse not yet being fully fulfilled, take along side the chapters of Revelations 13-14, then prophesy is not yet fulfilled. If you look at Daniel 9:26-27, and Matt. 24:15(?) where the abomination of desolation is mentioned, this particular person, whomever it may be, has not yet showed it's ugly head. Reasons being:

1)"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."-Dan. 9:26-27

Now, verse 26 has been fulfilled in the person of Titus. With the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, verse 26 became fulfilled. However, taking verse 27 into account, one needs to read the only history record of this time availble, Josephus. The War of the Jews, to be more precise. In Josephus' account, the temple destruction was not part of Titus' plans. In fact, he wanted to keep it in tact so that the Roman Army would not be remembered as taking vengence on inatimate objects. He wanted it preserved as a jewel for the crown of Rome. The destruction of the temple was not an order by him, rather soldiers caught up in the heat of battle, started the fire which eventually consumed the temple. In fact, upon hearing that the temple was on fire, he tried to order his soldiers to put out the fire, but because of the noise of battle, sadly they couldn't hear his order. In verse 27, we see that the abomination of desolation will confirm a covenant with the people for seven years, and in the middle of it he will break it, thus causing the sacrifice to stop. While the sacrifice did stop with the temple destruction, Titus is never recorded as having made any covenants with the conquored Israelites. In fact, most of the older men were killed, and the younger men were either sent off to work in copper mines or forced to fight for the entertainment of the Romans. And it also says:

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place," -Matt. 24:15

Titus never stood in the Holy-of-holies. This cannot be said of Titus!

2)Sometime during the years either preceeding the "beasts" unvailing, either the temple will be rebuilt, or he will have the temple rebuilt. According to Lev. 17, the only acceptable place to sacrifice is in the temple. People were allowed to worship in any sanctuary, but to sacrifice, the only place to do that was the temple. In order for the sacrifice to re-established, the temple has to be rebuilt. And in order for the beast to order the Jews to make an idol and worship it, would to be to place an idol in the temple.

"And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live." -Rev. 13:14

In order to fool the Jews to do something which they know is wrong, it has to be done in the temple.

Now, all prophesies were set in motion the day Jesus arose from the grave. It's just that some had no way possible to be fulfilled until here recently. Another example would be here:

"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." -Dan. 12:4

In many regards, man is a world smarter now than he was in Daniels time. And in a sense we dumber also. But in the Apostle Paul's days, a trip from Jerusalem to Corinth would have taken months. With the invention of the "modern" airplane in 1903, this prophesy was fulfilled. What took 16 hours in the 1950's to travel from coast to coast, can now be done in a few hours. Almost all prophesies concerning the last days have been fulfilled. Almost! But not yet!

So yes, we most certainly are in the "last days."

God Bless

Till all are one.

[christian73]

I would Love to.

Modern Christians are under the impression that Israel of Today is the same as the Chosen of God from the Old Testament. Simply stated, they arent.

First of all, Gods Chosen people are no longer hte Jews, but the Christians, the Church, the People who he came and gave himself up for.

Also, look at the actions of Isreal, they are a secular society, not a Theocracy like in the OT. The UN set up Israel of today, Not God.
What you're saying is true. However, Israel has always turned its back on God. The OT says that. Also, wouldn't you agree that the Israelies claimed their land back? I mean that's part of the prophecy. Could it be that God used the UN to accomplish this?

[JacobHall86]

The Israelis claimed that land, not the Israelites.

[christian73]

The Israelis claimed that land, not the Israelites.
What's the difference in the two? I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm just trying to understand.

[JacobHall86]

Just clearing up semantics, The modern nation of Israel has Isrealis. THe Israelites are from the OT nation of Israel.

[jwalker289]

I don't know if anyone knows this are not, but Israel Has found a Red Heifer. So she can use it to cleanse the 3rd and final Temple, that will be rebuilt. Most of the part and the items used in the Temple have been build and all they waiting for is the Dome of the Rock to be moved. One more thing you might want to take in account. There is a tunnel under the Dome of the Rock and the Jews think they found the spot were the Ark is.

Just another in, The jews are also getting parents (The Levities line of course) to give up there kids to be raised by priests. ( They found out that the Levities DNA is different from other peoples NA and found a marker in the DNA to tell if a family is of the Levities)They are doing this on the 2nd story of a building. So that the kids feet do not touch the ground until there are 13. They have in place everything they need. We are getting closer to the end times, Just a few more steps are needed.

[angela 2]

I would Love to.

Modern Christians are under the impression that Israel of Today is the same as the Chosen of God from the Old Testament. Simply stated, they arent.

First of all, Gods Chosen people are no longer hte Jews, but the Christians, the Church, the People who he came and gave himself up for.

Also, look at the actions of Isreal, they are a secular society, not a Theocracy like in the OT. The UN set up Israel of today, Not God.
It's true that not just the Jews are the chosen people any longer (after Jesus Christ).

It is also true that the promises God made to the Israelites will be kept. How could God break his promises?

[DeaconDean]

One more thing you might want to take in account. There is a tunnel under the Dome of the Rock and the Jews think they found the spot were the Ark is.

Just a little FYI: the ark is not on earth. No body, no country, no nationality is worthy to hold such a sacred item. Besides all that, my Bible tells me exactly where the Ark is:

"And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:" -Rev. 11:19

God Bless

Till all are one.

[christian73]

I don't know if anyone knows this are not, but Israel Has found a Red Heifer. So she can use it to cleanse the 3rd and final Temple, that will be rebuilt. Most of the part and the items used in the Temple have been build and all they waiting for is the Dome of the Rock to be moved. One more thing you might want to take in account. There is a tunnel under the Dome of the Rock and the Jews think they found the spot were the Ark is.

Just another in, The jews are also getting parents (The Levities line of course) to give up there kids to be raised by priests. ( They found out that the Levities DNA is different from other peoples NA and found a marker in the DNA to tell if a family is of the Levities)They are doing this on the 2nd story of a building. So that the kids feet do not touch the ground until there are 13. They have in place everything they need. We are getting closer to the end times, Just a few more steps are needed.
That's interesting. I think Dean makes a valid point about the ark though. The rest of what you said is certainly something to think about.

[DeaconDean]

Just one more thought. If you will take the time to read Ezekiel 40-48, you will find that the "temple" cannot be built on Mt. Moriah, neither can it be built in Jerusalem. The so-called "millennial temple," is to be about 12 miles square. This would be bigger than the entire city of Jerusalem. According to most scholars, a temple this big would have to built somewhere outside the city. But it should also not come as much of a suprise that the so-called "millennial temple" would be this big. Was not the city of Nineveh some 70 plus miles wide? It was so wide, according to Jonah 3:3:

"...Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey." -Jonah 3:3

If you think, a person can walk about 26 miles in a day with no problem. 26 times 3 equals 78. A conservative estamate would make Nineveh about 78 miles wide. And according to Eze. 41, I think, just the court of the Gentiles alone is going to be 1 mile square!

God Bless

Till all are one.

[novcncy]

Just a little FYI: the ark is not on earth. No body, no country, no nationality is worthy to hold such a sacred item. Besides all that, my Bible tells me exactly where the Ark is:

"And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:" -Rev. 11:19

God Bless

Till all are one.
What made the ark holy was God's presence. In itself, it is a box covered with gold and sculptures with some relics inside of it.

Now God dwells inside believers, and His presence is not represented by a religious relic. This, by the way, is a primary reason we are to be holy in our living. So if it bothers someone that I'm saying the ark isn't holy, I wonder if it bothers them that much when they sin?

Also, I find the logic that a temple can't be built on Mt. Moriah because the millenial temple will be too large to be interesting. It's built on an assumption that another temple can't be built aside from the millenial temple, and therefore the millenial temple will be the next one to be built. Interesting...

[novcncy]

And according to Eze. 41, I think, just the court of the Gentiles alone is going to be 1 mile square!

God Bless

Till all are one.

Maybe someone can help me with these. I don't susbcribe to replacement theology, and here's a good example why. If the church is the "new Israel", and we know that the church is comprised of Gentiles, why will there be a court of the Gentiles in the millenial temple?

[tonysma]

IMO, we are in the end times...the way things are going..it could happen in a blink of the eye...It is MO, that the US will be destroyed...

[CowboyUp8075]

something that came to me today at work deals with the N Korea ordeal. at first i just thought it would be another cold war all over again, but then Mt. 24:6 had came to me in some reasearch and the head leader of N. Korea said that "the UN santions are a decleration of war". this i think could be the "Great War" that Mt. 24:6 speaks of. which would be WWIII. soemthing else that came to me is that Isreal is at 100% nuke storage and usage. u can check the story out bout the N. Korea ordeal at the msnbc website.

cowboy

[CowboyUp8075]

IMO, we are in the end times...the way things are going..it could happen in a blink of the eye...It is MO, that the US will be destroyed...
i hardly dobt the US will be destroyed. come on there absolutly no logic in that. not to sart an argument i just dont see that highly possible. we have the most technological systems being used at this time and can see an attack in the plain of the day. i only believe this cause i am in the US Army, currently stationed in Germany. Thank You

cowboy

[christian73]

something that came to me today at work deals with the N Korea ordeal. at first i just thought it would be another cold war all over again, but then Mt. 24:6 had came to me in some reasearch and the head leader of N. Korea said that "the UN santions are a decleration of war". this i think could be the "Great War" that Mt. 24:6 speaks of. which would be WWIII. soemthing else that came to me is that Isreal is at 100% nuke storage and usage. u can check the story out bout the N. Korea ordeal at the msnbc website.

cowboy
It certainly is something to consider. I don't think anybody knows what N. Korea is really capable of.

[PETE_]

i hardly dobt the US will be destroyed. come on there absolutly no logic in that. not to sart an argument i just dont see that highly possible. we have the most technological systems being used at this time and can see an attack in the plain of the day. i only believe this cause i am in the US Army, currently stationed in Germany. Thank You

cowboy
The US does not have to be destroyed. The world will give power to the anti-christ. I see the way we are yeilding to the UN and political opinions of other countries around the world as a step in that direction. Our resourses would be of great value to anyone seeking global domination.

[tonysma]

IMO, we are in the end times...the way things are going..it could happen in a blink of the eye...It is MO, that the US will be destroyed...

my thoughts and I stick to them....

[JacobHall86]

Im just gonna remember that I am on the Welcoming committee and not the Planning committee and not worry about it.

[PETE_]

my thoughts and I stick to them....
for a one world govt to come about, America would have to fall. That does not demand a military defeat.

[christian73]

for a one world govt to come about, America would have to fall. That does not demand a military defeat.
That's right. Europe already has one currency. Has anyone else heard that?

[CowboyUp8075]

That's right. Europe already has one currency. Has anyone else heard that?
and the exchange rate for Euros in american $'s is really poor. currently stationed in Germany

cowboy

[christian73]

and the exchange rate for Euros in american $'s is really poor. currently stationed in Germany

cowboy
I have also heard that Europe is trying to become one country. Cowboy, since you're over there, you can probably deny or affirm this better than anybody.

[CowboyUp8075]

I have also heard that Europe is trying to become one country. Cowboy, since you're over there, you can probably deny or affirm this better than anybody.
i think there trying to too, but i havent heard ne more discussion of it for a couple weeks. we've got our eyes on N. Korea. alot of countrys over here use the Euro though. its not only Germany.

Cowboy

[novcncy]

I have also heard that Europe is trying to become one country. Cowboy, since you're over there, you can probably deny or affirm this better than anybody.
Ummm, that's what the EU is....the United States of Europe. One currency, one government, one legal system, one economy....yep, they are practically already one country. They just need to knock the rough edges off, and they're poised to easily superceed the current position of the US in the global scene.

[CowboyUp8075]

if Isreal goes to war and its multi countrys involved and the fight in the area of Megido, would that symbolize the start of the tribulation or end times?

[christian73]

Ummm, that's what the EU is....the United States of Europe. One currency, one government, one legal system, one economy....yep, they are practically already one country. They just need to knock the rough edges off, and they're poised to easily superceed the current position of the US in the global scene.
That's what I heard too. It's a very sobering thought, isn't it.

[JPPT1974]

Isreal seems to be the target to
Either start a big war or to end it
Since it began with them before those times.

[edb19]

:scratch: what are yalls thoughts of the book of reelations? is it possible that we are in the end times rite know as we speak? the bible speaks of war, and rite know we are a war with iIraq. we got our guard up for Korea, and the you just had the skirmish b/w isreal and lebannon, which was predicted in the bible?

I love the Revelation of John - I read it regularly. Even though it was written to the churches of the first century the admonitions hold true to churches today. I especially appreciate how clearly and undeniably Christ declares Himself God - the wording Alpha and Omega, there was nothing before Him, there will be no end to Him.

Are we in the end times - absolutely, we have been since Christ's ascension and will be until His return (the already and the not yet). As far as war is concerned, I remember learning in my world history class that in all of recorded history there have been less than 100 years of peacetime. War will be with us until the King of Peace reigns over the new earth forever.

[christian73]

I love the Revelation of John - I read it regularly. Even though it was written to the churches of the first century the admonitions hold true to churches today. I especially appreciate how clearly and undeniably Christ declares Himself God - the wording Alpha and Omega, there was nothing before Him, there will be no end to Him.

Are we in the end times - absolutely, we have been since Christ's ascension and will be until His return (the already and the not yet). As far as war is concerned, I remember learning in my world history class that in all of recorded history there have been less than 100 years of peacetime. War will be with us until the King of Peace reigns over the new earth forever.

:amen:

And the periods of peace will become more and more scarce until Jesus returns.

[Pepperoni]

IMO, we are in the end times...the way things are going..it could happen in a blink of the eye...It is MO, that the US will be destroyed...
I think this is entirely possible. Sorry "cowboy." The Bible doesn't really mention any country resembling the U.S. in connection with the end times. There are vagues references in Daniel about a nation that doesn't exist yet (which may or may not refer to the U.S.) . . . that sort of thing. But most theologians believe like I mentioned--the U.S. is not a key-player in the end times.

[DeaconDean]

But most theologians believe like I mentioned--the U.S. is not a key-player in the end times.

I couldn't agree more. The only thing I can say about this is that The United States has always stood by the side of Israel in 99.99% of the cases. During the Six Day War, the military equiptment the Israelli Army used was 90% American. And I do hope and pray, that the U.S. will continue to back Israel. I remember reading somewhere in the Bible:

"And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee:" -Gen. 12:3

Because of our alliance with Israel, I truly believe that God has blessed this land in which we live. And as long as we continue to back them, we will continue to be blessed.

God Bless

Till all are one.

[CooL_Genesis]

There's a new eBook which suggests, from Scripture, that America is the Babylon spoken of in Revelation. You can check it out here:

http://members.iglide.net/jdurr/index1.html

I haven't read much of it yet, just the first couple of chapters, but it's an interesting read. I don't particularly prescribe to this view, however. Jerusalem Countdown, by John Hagee, is also an interesting book.

I think we are very close to the end of the age. There seem to be too many prophecies being fulfilled and on the verge of being fulfilled for the world not to be on the brink of sudden destruction. I keep looking up, expecting just any moment to see my Savior in the clouds!

-Genesis

[DeaconDean]

There's a new eBook which suggests, from Scripture, that America is the Babylon spoken of in Revelation. You can check it out here:

http://members.iglide.net/jdurr/index1.html

I haven't read much of it yet, just the first couple of chapters, but it's an interesting read. Jerusalem Countdown, by John Hagee, is also an interesting book.

I think we are very close to the end of the age. There seem to be too many prophecies being fulfilled and on the verge of being fulfilled for the world not to be on the brink of sudden destruction. I keep looking up, expecting just any moment to see my Savior in the clouds!

-Genesis

"...Even so, come, Lord Jesus." -Rev. 22:20

God Bless

Till all are one.