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[DiscipleOfIAm]

I didn't mean for the "C" to be lower case, but can't seem to edit it, sorry!

I was looking over the SBC website. It appears, without directly saying, that they lean towards a Calvinistic view in election. Would that be accurate?

Also, would they hold to Eternal Security? It appears they do.

I'm checking out a church near me and it is SBC. The "What We Belive" part is not too in depth, so would they hold to the same statements as the SBC if they are an SBC church?

Thanks!

[JacobHall86]

The SBC is a loose confederation of Churches that each hold its own beliefs. It has calvinistic tendencies, but its not a Calvinistic group, not five points atleast.

The belief statement is not in depth because its left up to each individual church what they believe normally the Churches adhere to the beleifs of the SBC.

Its main focus is Missions, and rightly so.

[christian73]

Also, would they hold to Eternal Security? It appears they do.


If you're asking whether the SBC believes that once a person is saved, they can't lose their salvation, then the answer is yes. I could be wrong, but I think there's a passage in 1 John that's used as the basis for that belief.

My church is part of the SBC.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

If you're asking whether the SBC believes that once a person is saved, they can't lose their salvation, then the answer is yes. I could be wrong, but I think there's a passage in 1 John that's used as the basis for that belief.

My church is part of the SBC.

Yeah, you're right, they do. Actually, it seems that most, not all as we know, but most Baptists hold to this belief.

God Bless!

[GordonSlocum]

413 SBC Pastors were surveyed by the NAMB
The results are:
85 percent Non-5 point Calvinist and Non-Arminian

4 percent say “I don’t know”
1 percent refused to answer
www.lifewayresearch.com (http://www.lifewayresearch.com/)
The parishioners of SBC Churches are upward from 95 percent Non-5 point Calvinist - Calvinism is mainly an Academic belief in the SBC and the pastors for the most part don’t tell their congregations they are 5 pointers. If they did they would be fired. Some exceptions.

[Matthan]

Gordon, what you posted is True, so true!

Matthan

[BBAS 64]

413 SBC Pastors were surveyed by the NAMB
The results are:
85 percent Non-5 point Calvinist and Non-Arminian

Good Day, Gordon

The survey does not address the notion of those how do not hold to the doctreines of Grace, as being arminian. I would posit they be definition are indeed arminian and may be on the road to Rome.

"LifeWay Research found that 10 percent of Southern Baptist pastors consider themselves five-point Calvinists"



4 percent say “I don’t know”
1 percent refused to answer
www.lifewayresearch.com (http://www.lifewayresearch.com/)
The parishioners of SBC Churches are upward from 95 percent Non-5 point Calvinist - Calvinism is mainly an Academic belief in the SBC and the pastors for the most part don’t tell their congregations they are 5 pointers. If they did they would be fired. Some exceptions.



"While LifeWay Research found the number of Southern Baptist pastors embracing five-point Calvinism to be relatively small, it is undeniable that the conversations on Calvinism within the Southern Baptist Convention has brought renewed interest to the 400-year-old theological system.
Proponents of Calvinism, or Reformed theology, view it as a healthy return to early Southern Baptist heritage. Others see Calvinism as a negative trend and fear it is threatening to take over the SBC. In its inaugural survey, LifeWay Research sought to document the prevalence - or lack thereof - of Calvinism within the SBC."

Many do not tell for fear of being fired, that is just your editoral comment the survey does not address it.

http://www.lifeway.com/lwc/article_main_page/0%2C1703%2CA%253D163384%2526M%253D200681%2C00.html

Read it for your self....

:prayer: ing.....For the founders and the

"healthy return to early Southern Baptist heritage."

I do wonder how many would say they are 1,2,3,4, pointers, I am glad they are using the correct standard to explain their deversion from said standard.

Peace to u,

Bill

[DiscipleOfIAm]

Thanks everyone! Good stuff.

I've read a few articles about SBC returning to Calvinism. They all seem to indicate that while the SBC will not formally declare itself Calvinistic, there seems to be alot of renewed interest in Calvinism.

Thanks again all!

God Bless!

[christian73]

Thanks everyone! Good stuff.

I've read a few articles about SBC returning to Calvinism. They all seem to indicate that while the SBC will not formally declare itself Calvinistic, there seems to be alot of renewed interest in Calvinism.

Thanks again all!

God Bless!
That probably won't happen for some time. Southern Baptist are not known for "quick decisions".

[GordonSlocum]

Tongues and Tulips generate a lot of discussion and hard feelings.

Respecting the right for all to hold whatever view they have - it has been my experience and witness over the years that the only time you hear of issues is when it is in a group that are not of these convections. This is the case with the SBC. A few within stir up the cause they believe in and before long they are out looking for another church and their feeling are hurt because they found out it was not welcome and they crossed over the line.

In a denomination as large as the SBC you will always have peripheral beliefs that are not of the norm or main stream. For the SBC - Tongues and Tulips fall into that category. They will come and go and at times they will seem stronger and then weaker. For me I want to worship and study where these are not there. If I were of either persuasion then I would not want to be where I am not welcome or could not openly express my doctrines belief and position. So it must be very un-comfortable for either to be in a place where they essentially are out of place.
One thing that is firm however is the overwhelming majority of SBC people are not either.

More will identify with tongues than tulips.

It sees that on a regular basis I hear of some church having a problem with long-rangers who feel they have a missionary purpose to overthrow a church because they are not one or the other.

The solution to that is "go start your own church".

My thoughts based upon my experience in life.


My family and I joined a church one time not knowing a particular belief was necessary to be involved in teaching. We left but on good terms. I told the pastor that we were leaving and why and he understood. We are friends to this day. He has changed his view and left that which he held to and now we are in agreement on that issue.

We have gone calling and witnessing together and the church is now around 2500 at present and growing.

It was not and is not my place to force my view on an established church. If I can't find one I agree upon then I can start my own. It happens all the time.

[JPPT1974]

True they may not be known for
Quick decisions but at least they
Try to take their time in order to
Discern what is right and wrong.