The Birth Control Query

[DiscipleOfIAm]

We have beaten this dog to death before. But, this thread should be a little different. Rather than debate BC, I am more looking for the forms of BC other Baptists are using and why.

My wife is pregnant and due Nov 30. We are trying to decide how we will monitor future pregnancies. From what I have read, IUD's, the pill, the shot are contributors of "silent abortion" and this is not what we want to use. We unknowingly used an IUD in the past as well as the pill. I did not find out the effects until later and we have felt terrible about possibly ending a life.

Are there other mehtods that are effective? What, why, and how?

God Bless!

[jsimms615]

We have beaten this dog to death before. But, this thread should be a little different. Rather than debate BC, I am more looking for the forms of BC other Baptists are using and why.

My wife is pregnant and due Nov 30. We are trying to decide how we will monitor future pregnancies. From what I have read, IUD's, the pill, the shot are contributors of "silent abortion" and this is not what we want to use. We unknowingly used an IUD in the past as well as the pill. I did not find out the effects until later and we have felt terrible about possibly ending a life.

Are there other mehtods that are effective? What, why, and how?

God Bless!

There always is getting a vasectomy? We have talked about it, but to tell you the truth I can't bring myself to go do that. It isn't that I want more kids. :sigh:

[Pepperoni]

. . . We unknowingly used an IUD in the past . . .
How do you unknowingly use an IUD? Sorry, not trying to give you a hard time but I must not be reading that right.

I know you didn't mean to start a debate, but the pill does not end a life, contrary to popular belief. The IUD I'm not sure of, I've heard both sides of that argument. These methods do prevent a life, though, and they are a form of birth control that not everyone is comfortable with.

That said, my spouse and I find the calendar method quite effective. But obviously that doesn't work for everyone.

[Abbadon]

These methods do prevent a life, though

To elaborate, they prevent a life from forming.

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An IUD is basically a super long lasting condom/spermacide combo (well, IUDs don't protect from STDs, but you're a married couple, so that's not an issue). It's not an abortifacient. Those that say that seem to have "stops fertilization from occuring to begin with" and "kills fertilized embryo" confused.

Here's some stuff on birth control: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_control

There's no reasonable objective against barrier contraceptives (condoms, diaphragms, etc), unless someone blows one verse in Genesis out of proportion.

There's also pulling out before ejactulation, but this (as far as I could figure) would necessarily be totally practical, but while there is a part of the Bible where someone was condemned for pulling out of his wife, that was because he was supposed to impregnate her, but was not doing his duty.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

How do you unknowingly use an IUD? Sorry, not trying to give you a hard time but I must not be reading that right.

I meant, unknowingly that it was a silent aborter. Not unknowingly using one, of course we knew it was there :thumbsup:

About the pill, according to the medical research we have read and discussing it with our doctor, yes, it is a silent abortion. However, not to debate either, the exact statistics of how often it aborts, not sure. But, just knowing it can is enough for us.

God Bless!

[DiscipleOfIAm]

To elaborate, they prevent a life from forming.

An IUD is basically a super long lasting condom/spermacide combo (well, IUDs don't protect from STDs, but you're a married couple, so that's not an issue). It's not an abortifacient. Those that say that seem to have "stops fertilization from occuring to begin with" and "kills fertilized embryo" confused.

Here's some stuff on birth control: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_control

There's no reasonable objective against barrier contraceptives (condoms, diaphragms, etc), unless someone blows one verse in Genesis out of proportion.

There's also pulling out before ejactulation, but this (as far as I could figure) would necessarily be totally practical, but while there is a part of the Bible where someone was condemned for pulling out of his wife, that was because he was supposed to impregnate her, but was not doing his duty.

I was always told IUD is a silent aborter due to the hormone that is released that kills a possibl ferilized embryo. Or is this just a handful of opinions and there are others that contradict it?

Thanks for the responses!!

[Abbadon]

That's an Intrauterine system, not an intrauterine device. Commonly, it just has a copper head that acts as a spermacide. The UK has actually required that they be labled differently, which we should start doing.

[edb19]

Most IUDs contain either copper or hormones which help prevent fertilization one way or another. However, fertilization can occur on occasion and that's where it becomes an abortofacient - it actually keeps a fertilized egg from implainting in the uterine wall.

Oral contraceptive pills prevent ovulation - there's no egg to fertilize.

From there you're looking at either barrier methods (which vary from ~70-90% effective) or something permanent.

[RichardT]

What is the calendar method?

[Jim1927]

Ever consider abstinence? It is 100% and no side effects.................and, you don't have to worry about whether it is aborting, interrupting or any other violation of the Word.

Cheers,

Jim

[RichardT]

Ever consider abstinence? It is 100% and no side effects.................and, you don't have to worry about whether it is aborting, interrupting or any other violation of the Word.

Cheers,

Jim

:( :( :( abstinence while married?!

[catlover]

:( :( :( abstinence while married?!

There are some who believe if a couple doesn't have sex soley for the purpose of making a baby they are sinning.

It goes back to the idea that sex between a married couple is somehow sinful.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

There are some who believe if a couple doesn't have sex soley for the purpose of making a baby they are sinning.

It goes back to the idea that sex between a married couple is somehow sinful.

I don't buy into that. Sorry.

[catlover]

I don't buy into that. Sorry.


I don't either, but those who feel sex between a married couple should only be about procreation pretty much believe that.

[RichardT]

I don't either, but those who feel sex between a married couple should only be about procreation pretty much believe that.

That would be horrible :( :( :(

[HypoTypoSis]

Are there other mehtods that are effective?
Aside from abstinence, there is NO safe method. ALL "medical" forms of contraception (including, vasectomy, hysterectomy, et al) have unwanted and unsafe contraindications. There is NO way around "play and pay". The alternatives put forth by Nazi's Planned Parenthood and feminism ALL have deadly side effects, if not in the short run then assuredly in the longrun. You cannot fool mother nature nor pull a fast one over on father time. What God hath joined together let no one tear asunder-including the couple themselves. The human body can NOT be altered without damaging repercussions.

[Pepperoni]

What is the calendar method?
The calendar method operates under the assumption that the wife is aware of the length of her cycle (roughly 28 days, but there are variations of course) and figuring out when the fertile days are and abstaining from relations during that time period, or at least using some sort of protection. It's not foolproof, of course, but it can be effective for the most part if the woman's cycle is the same every month.

[Picture.Of.Obedience]

i suggest reading taking charge of your fertility. you and your wife. it is very informative and teaches you how to watch your body signs to know when your ovulating and avoid intercourse during that time

[novcncy]

Aside from abstinence, there is NO safe method. ALL "medical" forms of contraception (including, vasectomy, hysterectomy, et al) have unwanted and unsafe contraindications. There is NO way around "play and pay". The alternatives put forth by Nazi's Planned Parenthood and feminism ALL have deadly side effects, if not in the short run then assuredly in the longrun. You cannot fool mother nature nor pull a fast one over on father time. What God hath joined together let no one tear asunder-including the couple themselves. The human body can NOT be altered without damaging repercussions.

True, all of it, but what does "safe" mean? The calendar method is safe, as far as I know. It may fail in terms of preventing pregnancy, but this is rarely a dangerous condition, even when it couldn't come at a worst time. I wonder, if often the reasons for not being pregnant are based on human reason. I suppose if there's a medical condition or something like that involved, no sex is indeed the only way. Otherwise, trust God, to create life, that His plan for the design of your body is appropriate, and enjoy being married. When people asked us if we were trying to have our children, my wife and I answered, "well, we weren't trying NOT to." ;)

[JPPT1974]

IMO safe sex is no sex outside of marriage
When my sister and sister in law before they
Got married, their OB/GYN suggested that
They take the pills six months before they
Got married in order for their bodies to get
Used to the pills.

[catlover]

Aside from abstinence, there is NO safe method. ALL "medical" forms of contraception (including, vasectomy, hysterectomy, et al) have unwanted and unsafe contraindications. There is NO way around "play and pay". The alternatives put forth by Nazi's Planned Parenthood and feminism ALL have deadly side effects, if not in the short run then assuredly in the longrun. You cannot fool mother nature nor pull a fast one over on father time. What God hath joined together let no one tear asunder-including the couple themselves. The human body can NOT be altered without damaging repercussions.

The side effect to birth control can be beneficial. Some birth control pills reduce risk of certain cancers. Also women are healthier because they no longer breed like rabbits.
I suppose we should never have our wisdom teeth pulled, or our ingrown toenails fixed...it would alter our bodies...

[FallingWaters]

We used the Billings Method of Natural Family Planning successfully for over 10 years. We had 3 pregnancies. Two planned, and one not so planned, but still very wanted.

After our third child I had my tubes cut because I had 3 C-sections, and the pregnancies were difficult. Besides all that, Natural Family Planning required a lot of abstinence. This way I don't have to fear getting pregnant, and my husband is happier.

[Lexi]

I second the idea of reading Taking Charge of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler. This is the form of birth control that I've been using for 2 years and it works. Now we're using it to help us conceive. It's pretty much charting your basal body temperatures, cervical fluid, and your cervical position to know when your fertile days are.

[Monica02]

Most IUDs contain either copper or hormones which help prevent fertilization one way or another. However, fertilization can occur on occasion and that's where it becomes an abortofacient - it actually keeps a fertilized egg from implainting in the uterine wall.

Oral contraceptive pills prevent ovulation - there's no egg to fertilize.

From there you're looking at either barrier methods (which vary from ~70-90% effective) or something permanent.



Oral caontraceptive pills can kill a fertilized egg. It is not the main mechanism of the pill but it is one possible mechanism.

[Joykins]

Look into FAM--this is the method where you chart the woman's fertility and use barrier methods during her fertile phase.