A History of the Baptist Church

[Calminaion]

Does anyone know where I can find a resource listing all of the Baptist denominations and how and when they split off from the original Baptist denomination?

[RED that's ME]

A good book to read is The Baptist Heritage by H. Leon McBeth. :)

[Matthan]

Leave it to RTM to come through. Personally i like The Trail of Blood and believe that it is true. If anyone would like to start a discussion thread on that idea, just let me know.

Matthan

[mlqurgw]

I believe that " The Story of the Baptists" by Cook is outstanding and IMO the best. You can either read part of t or get it here;
http://books.google.com/books?id=gYig3lxuc5kC&printsec=toc&dq=The+Story+of+the+Baptists+Cook

Robertson's "A History of the Baptists" is also good as is Nettle's "By His Grace and for His Glory". If you are interested in the Landmark view, "Trail of Blood" may be what you are looking for. I don't necessarilly agree with its premise but it is a resourse. Wayof life.org has a list of books on Baptist history also that you may want to check out.

[mlqurgw]

Leave it to RTM to come through. Personally i like The Trail of Blood and believe that it is true. If anyone would like to start a discussion thread on that idea, just let me know.

Matthan
I find the Landmark view of perpetuity to be a bit far fetched but other than that the Trail of Blood is OK. I would be more interested in discussing the Landmark view of the Church.

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,

Here is a bunch of resources on line:

http://www.reformedreader.org/history/list.htm

Peace,

Bill

[JacobHall86]

A good book to read is The Baptist Heritage by H. Leon McBeth. :)

I had that as a text book. Hated it.

[Jim1927]

If you can still find them, any books by A.H. Newman on church history and specifically History of the Baptist Church are exhaustive and authentic, in my opinion. He also wrote a book on the Baptist Church in America. They are dated, however, going back to the early 1900's.

Cheers,

Jim
PS..The Trail of Blood is just a small pamphlet, but is a must read to church history. There are a few questionable areas, but even these areas are feasible, at least in my mind, but I am a Landmarkist.

[DiscipleOfIAm]

America in Crimson Red : The Baptist History of America by James R. Beller.

Here's the Amazon link: http://www.amazon.com/America-Crimson-Red-Baptist-History/dp/0966876636/sr=8-1/qid=1160869779/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-5029591-7230559?ie=UTF8

[Matthan]

The reason I like "The Trail Of Blood" is because of what Jesus proclaimed (promised? in Matthew 16. His Church would prevail against all enemies. Therefore, I cannot help but believe that His simple, apostolic Church (that we get a glimpse of in Acts) did survive unaltered from that time to today. For anyone to say that His simple Church was completely convoluted into the pagan mess we see clearly in history, and then somehow became "reformed" later on, simply does not make much sense to me. The survival of that earliest pure Church system, protected by the Holy Ghost, makes a lot more biblical sense.

Matthan

[RichardT]

The reason I like "The Trail Of Blood" is because of what Jesus proclaimed (promised? in Matthew 16. His Church would prevail against all enemies. Therefore, I cannot help but believe that His simple, apostolic Church (that we get a glimpse of in Acts) did survive unaltered from that time to today. For anyone to say that His simple Church was completely convoluted into the pagan mess we see clearly in history, and then somehow became "reformed" later on, simply does not make much sense to me. The survival of that earliest pure Church system, protected by the Holy Ghost, makes a lot more biblical sense.

Matthan

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Matthan again.

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[JacobHall86]

Trail of Blood is a bunch of wishful thinking with very little actual historical evidence. Notice its only referenced by those who stand in oppostition to the Catholic Church.

[stray bullet]

Trail of Blood is a bunch of wishful thinking with very little actual historical evidence. Notice its only referenced by those who stand in oppostition to the Catholic Church.

I thought the book was generally disregarded by most baptists? As many realize much of the material cited either doesn't exist and/or doesn't even make sense if it did exist.

[JacobHall86]

It is.

[mnjsdad]

Bedrock to Baptist by Paul Powell

[UBERROGO]

Are Baptists related to the Anabaptists?

[DeaconDean]

Has anyone suggested "Baptists and the Bible" by: L. Russ Bush and Tom. J. Nettles?

Again Drs. Nettles and Bush write in an authoritarian manner by going to primary sources for their information. Liberals may not like this book due to the fact that the majority of Baptists have always held a high view of the inspiration of Scripture. Some would naturally discredit this book but Nettles and Bush anticipate that by going to the primary sources (some dating even to the 1600's), as opposed to the secondary sources so often used by people today. For those interested in the documentary hypothesis and its detrimental effect on scripture, chapter eight will be of imdespensable value. Nettles and Bush evaluate the impact of German philosphy on the Higher Critical movement. This book should be on the shelf of all historians of Church and Scripure.

I had this book in seminary class when I took "Southern Baptist Heritage."

God Bless

Till all are one.

[DeaconDean]

For a brief timeline of Baptists, here ia link:

http://www.reformedreader.org/btimline.htm

God Bless

Till all are one.

[JPPT1974]

I thought the book was generally disregarded by most baptists? As many realize much of the material cited either doesn't exist and/or doesn't even make sense if it did exist.

From a lot of sources it does exist!

[Matthan]

The Trail of Blood is not factual because there is no proof? Hummmm Well now, let's take a look at "proof," shall we. Where is the "proof" that water was turned into Wine at Canna? Where is the "proof" that Jesus walked on water? Where is the "proof" that Lazarus was raised from the dead?

What? There isn't any "proof" that any of those things actually happened? WOW!!! So all we have is God's word that they did happen, right? And that same Truth assurred us that Jesus' Church would prevail, right? So, how did it prevail? Do any of you believe that it morfed into the Catholic church? Or the Eastern orthodox church? Icons anyone? Pagan practices?

So, if it didn't morf into either of those two not-very christian entities, then where did it go? Did it just die out for 1,500 years?

Why is there no written records concerning it? Could it be because those so-called Christians that persecuted it relentlessly, in nearly countless "wars" (well documented in catholic history) in a non-relenting persecution to wipe it out, destroyed all the written records?

Hey, you can believe what you want about Christ's Church history, and I will believe what I feel is the only possible truth. Okie dokie?

Matthan

[JacobHall86]

Jews were persecuted in Babylon, still wrote stuff down.

[Matthan]

Hummm Very little evidence.... I can only wonder why

[JacobHall86]

very little evidence of what?

Trail of Blood is as fiction as the davinci code.

[Matthan]

Yes, but they also didn't have the most powerful force in the world attempting to eradicate every vestage of their existence, either. Why do you not study history before you attempt to cite it? Study the many, many wars of the rcc, and ask yourself one basic question. Who were most of those "wars" with? The rcc will claim that the enemies were "heretics." And who were those heretics? They were any group that did not believe what the rcc ordered them to believe, that's who. The rcc was the 800 pound gorilla, and anyone who did not do exactly what they ordered was automatically declared a heretic and destroyed. Go figure?

Matthan

[Matthan]

You can call it fiction because there is no "proof." I'll continue to call it a viable explanation for approximately how God's Church did survive despite being persecuted for so many centuries.

Matthan

[JacobHall86]

Yea, you mean the same RCC that preserved the Word of God for 1300 years before Luther came along? The same RCC that is the instrument God used, and still uses, to proclaim his Gospel before the Reformation?

Dont tell me to check history when you cite nonsense like the trail of blood. You KJO landmarkists need to go outside into the real world and interact with people more often. You cant spend all your time at westboro baptist.

[JacobHall86]

You can call it fiction because there is no "proof." I'll continue to call it a viable explanation for approximately how God's Church did survive despite being persecuted for so many centuries.

Matthan


LOLS, You are chugging that kool-aid way to fast.

[Matthan]

LOLS, You are chugging that kool-aid way to fast.
Jacob, your thoughtless and callus replies sadden me. I must chalk it up to your youth. Oh well.

Matthan

[JacobHall86]

You desire to have a group hug over adressing issues makes me fear for the future of Christianity, I can only chaulk it up to your apathy.

[Matthan]

And your desire for confrontation, slinging insults, and condemning ideas leads me to believe you are really an athiest or one of the devil's disciples cloaked in your CF character and callaing yourself a Baptist just so you can post here and attempt to spread your own brand of mindless stupidity. Regardless of which you might be, it is obvious to anyone who reads your posts that you are utterly miserable in your current existence.

Matthan

[JacobHall86]

And your desire for confrontation, slinging insults, and condemning ideas leads me to believe you are really an athiest or one of the devil's disciples cloaked in your CF character and callaing yourself a Baptist just so you can post here and attempt to spread your own brand of mindless stupidity. Regardless of which you might be, it is obvious to anyone who reads your posts that you are utterly miserable in your current existence.

Matthan

Im gonna step out on a limb and say its probably best that you dont go into the field of counseling, because you are horrible at reading people.

Im not an Athiest, and its probably not best to call some stupid when you cite "trail of blood".

I will give you this, Im very jaded, but because i have a past that I wish on no one. Why dont you check your Jesus Bubble nonsense at the door from now on.

[Montanaman]

This thread is utterly fascinating.

[Project 86]

Matthan, lets not claim Jacob is not a Christian or stupid since we can't know if he is saved or not.

Jacob, why do you have to be so rude to conservatives? You certainly are not going to get anyone to change with the way you respond as of late. We can disagree with each other and have a loving debate. Believe it or not you might learn something from conservatives if you take time to listen to us. We may learn more from you if you reply in a loving manner. Right now though it looks like a back alley fight and just image what the non Baptists think about us...

[JacobHall86]

Dude, Im more Conservative than both of you, Im just not going to accept something because its anti-RCC.

[Project 86]

Dude, Im more Conservative than both of you, Im just not going to accept something because its anti-RCC.

I could be mistaken but you seem to think the RCC church has very little bad doctrine. I don't believe I can post what I think of the RCC doctrine here but I believe I can atleast say it is very far from perfect. Many Baptists would agree with me. I will also they have have persecuted many Christians in the past. Some of your posts make it sound like you belong to the RCC. Has there been good to come out the RCC? Sure, Luther came out of it and did many good things for Christianity. The RCC though has not been the only Christian group for all those centuries and it would be naive for anyone to think so. Also God's word would have been preserved even if the RCC never existed.

This all being said why did you ignore the point of my post? I hope you're not just trying to pick another debate instead of working with me to bring Christian unity to the Baptist board.

[JacobHall86]

Im going to ignore it because its obvious you know nothing about me, so you cant make a decleration of my actions.

[Project 86]

Im going to ignore it because its obvious you know nothing about me, so you cant make a decleration of my actions.

Ok, well when you have the time I would like to get to know you if that is what it will take to have you help me bring this Baptist area back to normal. I have been posting in here for a while now and I would have to say there is more fighting going on now then I have ever seen before. We can't even blame the anabaptists for this. ;)

[UBERROGO]

Yes, but they also didn't have the most powerful force in the world attempting to eradicate every vestage of their existence, either. Why do you not study history before you attempt to cite it? Study the many, many wars of the rcc, and ask yourself one basic question. Who were most of those "wars" with? The rcc will claim that the enemies were "heretics." And who were those heretics? They were any group that did not believe what the rcc ordered them to believe, that's who. The rcc was the 800 pound gorilla, and anyone who did not do exactly what they ordered was automatically declared a heretic and destroyed. Go figure?

MatthanSimilarly the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites did not believe what the Israelites believed. Go figure?

Also I take it that the Baptists are not from the Anabaptists then?