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Droobie
16th March 2003, 07:55 PM
Is ending a very sick person's life murder or mercy? Is there any circumstances where euthanasia would be okay? Should one have faith that God can turn things around? Are people meant to suffer when there is no medical solution? What are your thoughts?

btw: Folks, this can be a very controversial and personal subject, so please reply and post with respect and in good will to each other.

Bruno
17th March 2003, 10:46 AM
Anytime a human takes a life of another human by free choice, it is murder, no matter the circumstances. People suffer all over the world all the time. What gives anyone a right to go around killing them? Suffering is there for a reason. It makes us stronger, it humbles and refines us.
If you want to help those that suffer, don't turn your back on them by getting rid of them. Ease their pain by being there for them to love and comfort. Best of all, pray to Jesus with them for help and read them the Holy Bible.

"Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope." (Romans 5:3)

Didymus
20th March 2003, 08:11 PM
first you have killing of the tremianlly ill, then the old, then the mentally and physicaly handicapped who are "unproductive", where would it end ?

Alabare
21st March 2003, 03:20 AM
Lots of people have accepted Jesus while on their deathbed. Some recovered after this and some did not. As long as there is still breath, there is still choice. Murder is still murder weather it is done to an unborn child, a sick person or a convict.

JillLars
21st March 2003, 05:13 AM
I am not voting because the answers are not always as clear cut as they would seem. Euthanasia has many different definitions. What about people who are being kept alive by machines, is it murder to pull the plug, what if the family can't afford to keep them alive anymore, unfortunately that is a real possibility. Like abortion, these choices are not always so clear cut, I think each individual needs to make a choice, and God can sort it out in the end.

357magnum
21st March 2003, 07:57 AM
I think it is fine to make a living will and tell your doctors you don't want any extraordinary means to keep you alive unless there is a chance for a cure.

7-5-7
22nd March 2003, 09:53 AM
You mean assisted suicide?

If they can prove the person wanted to die, then I see nothing wrong with it...

Francie
22nd March 2003, 12:01 PM
It is just like abortion, murder!

Doreen
22nd March 2003, 09:00 PM
I think that it is wrong

hurting
25th March 2003, 08:58 AM
I wish someone would put me out my misery

hurting

Bruno
25th March 2003, 12:46 PM
hurting, don't put your faith in men. Trust Jesus, for only He will truly deliver you from your pain. Talk to Him!!!

bop1997
30th June 2003, 02:40 AM
I said it is not right...i mean to have that guilt on you, and to kill when one of the commandments states" THou Shall Not Kill", it is pretty self-explanatory.

LadyBird
1st July 2003, 02:17 AM
i did a debate about this issue in english...and we were for it...it was one heck of an issue to debate over...especially for...and of course we did not win. i dont think that it is EVER ok to take a life...its just like playing God. euthanasia is like playing the role that God is supposed to play.

Patroclus
1st July 2003, 06:39 PM
Well, right for who? Let's say that somebody euthanized a very ill person who was in a lot of pain, etc. It may be wrong for the perpetrator, but the vicitim is better off, if he or she is a Christian, anyway.

jesus_freak_for_life
1st July 2003, 07:20 PM
I suffer a lot of emotional pain, does that mean it's okay that someone kill me?

kimber1
3rd July 2003, 11:21 AM
well what about in the case of someone who is only being kept alive by machines? no brain function, nothing. what then?

Lizquest
3rd July 2003, 11:34 AM
This is quite a touchy subject. I really feel both ways if that is believable. I agree and then I disagree. I guess it depends on the situation.

Icystwolf
5th July 2003, 11:38 AM
I've always agreed to euthanasia, mainly because it is the persons responsibility to life. As a Christian, we can't force someone to not take euthanasia, but rather influence them to continue with life on earth.

But the argument that I had in mind is more about playing God. If a person has cancer and is about to die, do we keep him alive whilst in pain for another 3yrs?
My opinion is that if I want to end life on earth, I want it to be peaceful, and I wouldn't want anyone else on this world to control my decisions.

But euthanasia needs more of a review. It shouldn't be used as some sort of anti-depressant treatment, else my suicide attempt 4yrs ago would have been really successful.

Jose
5th July 2003, 12:10 PM
There is a big difference in allowing nature to take its course while suspending extraordinary meeans of liffe suport and the active termination of a human life.
Waht worries me is the idea that behind the euthanasia movement there seems to be the idea that a sick person has the obligation to die. That is murder.

:pray:

Icystwolf
5th July 2003, 01:32 PM
Jose my orchid friend! Thats a great point that a lot of people need to realise....

But I have a question, how do we know how long is too long on the life support system.
I know in Australia, several people and it's increasing, die from cancer without life support or treatment on purpose, after being diagnosed. They didn't want to feel the pressure...

Chakotay2
5th July 2003, 01:47 PM
An animal yes; a person no.

Towelministries
5th July 2003, 10:06 PM
I am not voting because the answers are not always as clear cut as they would seem. Euthanasia has many different definitions. What about people who are being kept alive by machines, is it murder to pull the plug, what if the family can't afford to keep them alive anymore, unfortunately that is a real possibility. Like abortion, these choices are not always so clear cut, I think each individual needs to make a choice, and God can sort it out in the end.



In the Bible, the answers are always clear as far as taking another person's life. We did not create and only the Creator has the right to take a life. If a person is being kept alive only by a machine, then pulling the plug is not taking that person's life....it's already gone. Abortion is murder. If all of our days are ordained for us before we were born, then at the moment of conception we are a living being. One does not have to get pregnant and if they do, the baby can always be adopted out. No need to kill it. As far as not being able to afford to keep a person alive....I can't imagine that being an option. You just do what you have to do, even if you pay the rest of your life. I can't imagine not caring for a parent or grandparent or child for lack of funds. The Lord provides or gives us the grace and mercy to get through whatever we need to get through. He is always with us.

Towelministries
5th July 2003, 10:13 PM
I wish someone would put me out my misery

hurting



Talk to the Lord. I have been in constant pain for years now and have managed to work and minister in so many ways. If you will focus on the Lord and living each day for Him, you'll make it. I know it's awful to always be hurting, but I wouldn't want to miss whatever blessings the Lord has for me because of pain. I'm in a wheelchair now most of the time and He is still using me to lead people to Himself. I am also watching 15 grandchilren grow up while I'm in pain. Wouldn't want to be put out of my misery and miss that! Hangeth in there. Keep your eyes on Jesus. He went through a lot more pain than any of us will ever know.

Towelministries
5th July 2003, 10:26 PM
Well, right for who? Let's say that somebody euthanized a very ill person who was in a lot of pain, etc. It may be wrong for the perpetrator, but the vicitim is better off, if he or she is a Christian, anyway.



You said just the right word, "victim." Isn't it in God's time that we should die. If He wanted us to go sooner, then He would take us. He endured hours on the Cross in more pain than we will ever know, both physical and emotinal. He could have ended it after a few minutes if He wanted to. If He did not cut His suffering, then why should we? Maybe our pain is our cross. We are to pick up our cross and follow Him daily. He will give us what we need to get through. I really believe that. Of course a Christian will be better off, but what about a nonbeliever? His last few breaths may be those that confess Jesus as Savior and Lord.

Reader Nilus
23rd July 2003, 03:10 PM
Euthinasia is murder.
Jeff the Finn

Konnie
24th July 2003, 05:29 PM
No. Euthanasia is not okay. Euthanasia is murder.

LeeS
31st July 2003, 12:44 PM
To me, euthanasia is deciding for oneself their appointed time to go instead of when God has appointed it. (Heb 9:27)

Lotar
31st July 2003, 02:50 PM
I have no problem with the youth in asia. They all seem pretty cool to me. :D

semodana
26th August 2003, 11:32 PM
Is very touchy subject but as a Registered Nurse I do not support this. I feel when people take Gods decisions into their own hands then we have went to far. As far as living wills, they are needed. I do not feel Gods wants machines keeping someone alive on this earth.....So as I said difficult topic Dana

mesue
25th October 2003, 12:08 AM
I, too, am an RN and I have seen many people suffer. I am reminded of Paul in 2 Corinthians

And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2Corinthians 12:9

or the blind man healed so that God may be glorified

Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
John 9:3

Kathy
26th October 2003, 03:19 PM
It is MURDER! 5th commandment..THOU SHALL NOT KILL!

The_Saint
3rd November 2003, 01:31 AM
I though you meant putting animals to sleep like stray dogs and cats. Your readers are talking about putting people to sleep. Well, who wants to stay in a sick body? If it were me, pull the plug!!!! I'm not saying everybody who dies gets to go again only when you die you are not really dead. A person may be left to "sleep" until the return of Christ if after attaining age 70 years (Psalms 90:10); if you are on God's schedule for further testing, you may be brought up into Heaven. (I've been there a number of times.) Or you just may get to go again.

It's the End of the World! God is leaving 100,000,000 people alive worldwide. And because of the magnitude of people going under (something like 6 billion people) most everybody gets to go again!

Rainbow.
3rd November 2003, 02:07 AM
Euthanasia is wrong. Jesus had to suffer for our sins.There is no easy way to suffer its hard. God suffered when he lost his only son. Those who suffer in this life will be the first into Heaven.
I watched my friend suffer and died from cancer and he was a christian and never for a moment did he questions Gods will.

IvoryRain
3rd November 2003, 02:33 AM
are you speaking about euthanasia in animals or people?

Yes, its fine for animals. I am actually a euthanasia tech that works at the local animal shelter.

The_Saint
4th November 2003, 05:09 AM
Yes, Jesus died on the cross, however it was only for 3 days and 3 nights. Afterward, God raised Jesus from the dead and now Jesus sits at the right hand of God Almighty. (The Holy Ghost is currently on the earth.) When I was speaking with God, Jesus was at His right hand making comments. That's how I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus is still alive. (Plus I believed it all along in my heart that Jesus was alive.) Isn't that good to know?


:wave: :holy: :pray:

Snowy
10th November 2003, 09:33 PM
I wouldn't want someone to suffer

aimee
13th November 2003, 02:48 PM
Sorry people, I'm going to go on a rant here... (just to warn ya ;) )

I can't believe so many Christians believe that euthanasia is acceptable. God has stated very clearly (as others have pointed out) -- Thou shalt not murder. How do you justify that it is not murder? It doesn't say, Thou shalt not murder unless the person is in a lot of pain!?!

But what about if the person is just being kept alive by machines, you ask. Well here's my opinion (and I stress that it's an opinion -- I don't want to be attacked here): God gives life and He takes it away. If God is not allowing their heart to beat and their lungs to breathe, then they're dead. Why keep them artificially alive? That's just as much playing God as euthanizing someone.

I know that I don't want to be kept alive artificially. When it's my time to go, I want to see JESUS!!! Not be kept alive in some hospital by grieving family members who refuse to let go. Let God be God! He's alot better at it than we are :)

wow
13th November 2003, 03:16 PM
:wave:

reformedfan
20th December 2003, 01:34 PM
The dude that claimed he'd put King Saul out of his misery in 2Sam 1 found out the hard way that euthanasia is murder & punishable by death.
Guess there's no such thing as the oxymoronically (and I mean every syllable of that, especially the last 3, teehee) titled 'mercy' killing in God's sight.

scigirl
24th December 2003, 07:07 PM
Hi LeeS,
To me, euthanasia is deciding for oneself their appointed time to go instead of when God has appointed it. (Heb 9:27)
How do you feel about life-saving medical procedures then?

scigirl

scigirl
24th December 2003, 07:11 PM
aimee and others who used this same quote:

I can't believe so many Christians believe that euthanasia is acceptable. God has stated very clearly (as others have pointed out) -- Thou shalt not murder.
I'm assuming everyone here has read the Book of Exodus which is of course the source of that quote. In the same passage, God also commands for a variety of offenses to be put to death. Not to mention all the wars he condoned. To me when I read the OT, it isn't clear at all when God wants people to kill each other and when he doesn't.

If God is not allowing their heart to beat and their lungs to breathe, then they're dead. Why keep them artificially alive? That's just as much playing God as euthanizing someone.
So are you against heart transplants or heart surgery?

I know that I don't want to be kept alive artificially. When it's my time to go, I want to see JESUS!!! Not be kept alive in some hospital by grieving family members who refuse to let go. Let God be God! He's alot better at it than we are :)
I admire your courage, and I think everyone (except perhaps children in some circumstances) has the right to decide what medical care they want or don't want.

However would you deny someone the chance to try a life-saving medical procedure?

scigirl

Bullheadangel811
2nd January 2004, 10:46 PM
Umm...I think it's murder

LynneClomina
17th February 2004, 02:36 PM
NO, i think absolutely it is NOT ok...

but, i think it's ok to pull the plug on life support... then you are leaving it up to God...

Lynne

daidhaid
18th February 2004, 12:14 AM
Here is the thing I find funny.
Christians will wail and bemoan something like euthanasia.
You will flat out call it murder.
You will cry out that God is against it.
But The vast majority of Christians I've observed seem to be ok with war not to mention the death penalty.
Gods will..?

Euthanasia is a complicated subject there are forms and degrees.
For the purposes of posting and setting aside cases of mental illnesses.

I think there are 4 basic categories for euthanasia.

1. you do nothing to prevent, allowing someone to die who wishes to die.
You let go of the person when you could hold on.

2. You do nothing allowing someone to die who is unable to make their wishes known.
You decide what is best for them. Then let them go.

3. You assist some one in dying who wishes to die, by facilitating the moments of death. You provide drugs or gas or whatever active means are suitable for that persons death. A pragmatic act of compassion or love.

4. You decide for someone that it is time for them to die and you take whatever means are appropriate to end their life.
Now the funny thing is that this is the only form of euthanasia that I have any qualms about.
While in one case you might be doing, what you know the person would wish. Essentially an act of compassion or love.
In another situation it is capital punishment.
Either way someone else decides for the person when they die.
Except we don't execute prisoners for love of the person do we.
More like love of vengance, retribution, or deterrence.
It's all euthanasia to me.


When a patient wants or needs to die that is the patients decision to be made with doctors, professional counsellors, and loved ones.
Or if the patient can't represent themselves.
Then by doctors and family.
To actively euthanise someone unable to communicate add to the mix judges, friends, even clergy if the patient had a religion.
All acting in an open careful thoughtful committee of the well intentioned. Not from personal agendas.
It isn't a decision for morons or politicians to be involved in...

Face it we are all dying.
Your death is your most personal moment.
Death can be unconscious, mellow, or it can be freakishly raw, and unpleasant.
What right do you have to make or advocate choices or even judgements for people you do not even know.
Why should you even want such powers.

I've seen people beg to die.
I've been with people in physical agony who had to be watched around the clock and restrained from suicide.
I don't see how anyone can be so simple minded as to think euthanasia has no role, without considering what that can mean to the person who faces the situation.

And I truly don't understand the Christian mindset.
Much of what is said is to cruel and heavy handed to represent a believe that claims to have reduced all commandments to Love..

Kathryn
18th February 2004, 01:45 AM
So, the message is "God wants you to suffer, it's good for you, and He'll send you to hell for having compassion on the suffering? The OT was cut and dry, right and wrong, no work on the Sabbath, even if it is to help someone. Jesus broke through that legalism. I wish we understood that.

LynneClomina
18th February 2004, 04:19 AM
leaving aside war and capital punishment (which i dont nessecarily agree with)...

i dont think its about making ppl suffer.... i think ppl have to have great compassion for ppl when they are suffering. i think it is more about honoring what God is doing in their lives IN their suffering... i know from personal experience what it is like to want to die to end physical suffering; but now i see God's hand at work in everything. i think what i am against is *interfering* with what God is doing in someones life... if God wants them to die, they will die... do you think you or i or anyone has compassion on someone suffering and want to help them when they want "out"? how much more so does God! and how much more so is it His job to decide when it is somebody's time? i just do not believe it is ours to decide, not even the suffering person. because, our bodies are not our own, they belong to the Lord. and should he choose for us to die easily, or choose for us to grow and learn in our suffering, who are we to judge that? who are we do decide to "play God" and pull the plug?

NiemandheißtBoshaftigkeit
18th February 2004, 08:52 PM
I say enthusia is acceptable. I say this because I would rather die swiftly than suffer while some God-forsaken life support system prolongs my inevitable death. Furthermore, I say that all whom oppose enthusia are afraid of death and therefor do not posses total faith in God.

daidhaid
19th February 2004, 12:30 AM
leaving aside war and capital punishment (which i dont nessecarily agree with)...

Huh? Isn't capital punishment clearly euthanasia?
You decide they die. lethal injections i/e put to sleep.
Toward the end of your post you say God decides when and how people die.
Can't I expect that logic to work as an arguement against capital punishment.
War is a different I brought it up only as an example of things that don't seem to arouse righteous wrath like other smaller issues.


i dont think its about making ppl suffer.... i think ppl have to have great compassion for ppl when they are suffering. i think it is more about honoring what God is doing in their lives IN their suffering... i know from personal experience what it is like to want to die to end physical suffering; but now i see God's hand at work in everything. i think what i am against is *interfering* with what God is doing in someones life... if God wants them to die, they will die...

The not interfering angle is a slippery slope.
Think of all the interfering with death that goes on.
Also consider isn't forcing or requiring someone to live interfering.
Besides...
Why should someone who doesn't believe in God or someone who believes in God differently have some faceless zealot determine the path they follow to death?



do you think you or i or anyone has compassion on someone suffering and want to help them when they want "out"? how much more so does God! and how much more so is it His job to decide when it is somebody's time? i just do not believe it is ours to decide, not even the suffering person. because, our bodies are not our own, they belong to the Lord. and should he choose for us to die easily, or choose for us to grow and learn in our suffering, who are we to judge that? who are we do decide to "play God" and pull the plug?

It comes to this. Death is a personal moment. All the options should be on the table for each person to choose.
You are free to decline an assisted death.
I would grant you freedom to make any choice you cared to make in the privacy of your death.
Your religous beliefs or anyone elses beliefs should not dictate how another person chooses to face death.

Nothing personal in this but.
Frankly it is bad enough that Christians feel compelled to tell everyone else how to live.
How can there be any tolerance for compelling others to also die as you wish.
Grant each person his/her own personal choice.
If some wish to learn through suffering how much God loves them so be it.
If another wishes to check out at the time they choose so be it.
In any event Death itself is inevitable.

Here is a true story of Calvin and a Jesuit Priest.

They had argued over the Trinity Doctrine. Calvin was quite worked up over it.
There was political intrigue.
The Priest was brought to trial, acused of false doctrines heresy, the usual stuff.
The Priest is condemned to death.
After the sentince, to be burned alive, was passed and just before the execution the Priest, who also refused to recant, asked for a merciful death.
It was possible in those days that the accused could sometimes be allowed or granted some means to reduce suffering.
Drugs could be administered, or small bags of gunpowder stategicaly placed or possibly you could be killed just before your body was burned.

Calvin the great man of God declined to give any mercy.
He stated that the flames of a torturous death and anticipation of the greater flames of hell to come were essentialy a learning experience.
It was Cavins stated belief that in the fire the Priest might recant his heresy against the Trinity and thereby learn the truth of God and be saved from hell.
If not then the Priest would merely learn of the greater torment awaiting him in hell.
Sweet huh.
Then Calvin tied a book of his teachings/ sermons on the Trinity Doctrine to the mans chest and he was killed, burned alive .
I suppose he learned something in his suffering.

Glorianna
30th March 2004, 04:53 AM
It's murder!

daidhaid
31st March 2004, 12:43 AM
I say enthusia is acceptable. I say this because I would rather die swiftly than suffer while some God-forsaken life support system prolongs my inevitable death. Furthermore, I say that all whom oppose enthusia are afraid of death and therefor do not posses total faith in God.


ohhh logic... I like this train of thought.

Alice the Sister
31st March 2004, 06:29 PM
I think euthanasia is a good thing because when you 'kill' a very sick person it's like freeing them. Keeping them 'alive' would be more harmful than killing them. If you killed them they'd be free. They'd truly be alive...(or dead...if in Hell)

Doctors and such try to make it their responsibility to keep people alive. I think when Man interferes with God's plan like as such, then he/she should be punished for it also.

HesMyAll
31st March 2004, 10:45 PM
I do not believe in euthanasia...for people that is. I think it is an act of murder to take another human life (except in the case of capital punishment).
While I do not believe it is alright to intentionally take someone's life, I also do not think there is anything wrong with letting someone go when they are at the end of life's journey. I believe that medications to keep the person comfortable should be given as needed.
I would not want to be kept alive on life support, nor would I want to be killed...just kept free of pain while the inevitable happened.

Bevlina
31st March 2004, 11:21 PM
OO that's murder! Ecclesiastes tells us.."there's a time to live...and a time to die" Better leave death in the hands of God I reckon!

sammipher
5th April 2004, 09:09 PM
I think that would be wrong...u have no right to take another persons life even if they ask. That why it is a sin to commit suicide. The Lord brought you into this world and he will take you home when he is ready.

Chriswoods83
7th April 2004, 01:22 AM
seems like murder to me

PaladinValer
7th April 2004, 09:07 AM
Personally, I wish there were an additional choice; this isn't a "black-and-white" question to everyone. I therefore cannot vote

The Sun
7th April 2004, 11:47 AM
I believe that it is wrong to kill someone, but euthanasia is really quite a difficult topic to comprehend in such broad terms. One needs to decide whether keeping them alive in pain is really what God wants, and if so then of course that is what should be done, for God will take us home when he's ready, and human interference is wrong in these matters. However saying this, surely keeping someone alive is also human interference? Its a very difficult topic to be sure, although in that situation I would most certainly not want to die until I had spent every last possible breath on the earth that Gods wants me to spend, just my personal opinion.

mle
10th April 2004, 03:24 PM
I don't think it is up to humans to decide who is worth saving.

Niko
10th April 2004, 07:18 PM
I agree, it is not clear cut. Murder is murder, suicide is suicide, but there is always intention; sins arent clear cut either.

Also, think about this. Jesus said "The second greatest commandment is to love your neighbor like you love yourself." If a person was suffering and someone pulled the plug, could it be called an act of mercy or love, possibly taking away sinfulness?

Not clear cut at all...

Yours in Christ,
Nick

jeshohaia
14th April 2004, 05:05 PM
All though I see the advance stages of aging on a daily basis. I can not justify taking another human's life.

Big C
18th April 2004, 11:27 AM
If GOD choses to end someones life through sickness (rather, allow them to succum to the sickness) this is HIS choice...not one for us to decide. If a loved one of mine were in a state of utter suffering, perhaps I would tell the doctors to pull the plug...but that doesn't exempt the fact that it is not my place to measure out life or death.

Tangnefedd
18th April 2004, 11:38 AM
I hope I would have the courage to end the suffering of a loved one if they were terminally ill and suffering terrible unrelieved pain. Obviously I would have to own up, and take the consequences of such an action. I don't think God has anything to do with it. I would not want to believe in a God who can stand by and let people suffer agony if he could prevent it. I just don't think God works like that.

I would not like to see euthanasia legalised, because it would not just stop at relieving the suffering of the terminally ill. Elderly people and the inconvenient would be euthanased eventually!!!!

tqpix
21st April 2004, 04:58 AM
About Euthinasia:

PRO

You don't have to watch a loved one suffer.
CON

It is murder
Your loved one will suffer even more after you end his/her life--(s)he will burn in hell--if (s)he has no faith in Jesus Christ.

awksm
21st April 2004, 05:01 PM
I have done indepth research on this particular subject and the main problem that I see with it from a secular point of view is that every time it is given to the doctors the right to euthenise they take it into their own hands. In 97 when I did a lot of research on it one of the countries that I researched actually showed that out of 11000 people euthenised only 30 percent was with the consent of the family or the person. This to me is a dangerous thing to toy with.....

HesMyAll
21st April 2004, 08:46 PM
I have done indepth research on this particular subject and the main problem that I see with it from a secular point of view is that every time it is given to the doctors the right to euthenise they take it into their own hands. In 97 when I did a lot of research on it one of the countries that I researched actually showed that out of 11000 people euthenised only 30 percent was with the consent of the family or the person. This to me is a dangerous thing to toy with.....
Exactly! And I'm sure that your research showed that those who were euthanized where the elderly and others who were no longer considered to be of any worth.

awksm
22nd April 2004, 09:16 AM
A majority of the time that was the case.

Ponder
22nd April 2004, 09:28 AM
if YOU where on ur death bed
and where in great PAIN with NO cure ever
and couldnt tell your family or docters to pull the plug
would you wont them to end your great misseary,
then youll be with christ,
would you want that i know i would
and who says its not in God plans for us to end there suffering, for them as our love for them,
And So On
Ponder

Ponder
22nd April 2004, 09:31 AM
I hope I would have the courage to end the suffering of a loved one if they were terminally ill and suffering terrible unrelieved pain. Obviously I would have to own up, and take the consequences of such an action. I don't think God has anything to do with it. I would not want to believe in a God who can stand by and let people suffer agony if he could prevent it. I just don't think God works like that.

i agree with your point there totally thats why i voted for Yes,
but in some sercamstances its not,
Ponder

wrtbooks
23rd April 2004, 06:55 PM
If GOD choses to end someones life through sickness (rather, allow them to succum to the sickness) this is HIS choice...not one for us to decide. If a loved one of mine were in a state of utter suffering, perhaps I would tell the doctors to pull the plug...but that doesn't exempt the fact that it is not my place to measure out life or death.NO!!

Aimee03
24th April 2004, 08:48 PM
I think it is Wrong!

SlightMiracle
25th April 2004, 05:45 PM
New Zealand is facing this issue now. Anyone from NZ here who'd like to get active against euthanasia?

caitlincares
15th May 2004, 12:44 AM
Myself, my brothers and parents have all told each other we want a DNR order.
We do not want to be kept alive by machines.

rubberduckie
24th May 2004, 11:12 PM
hmm, that's interesting. I'm not sure about the machine things, but even if the docto's say someone is going to do in say a month, it's possible the will live much longer than that, as evident from a lady at our church who died Easter Sunday.

Grace_of_God
12th June 2004, 01:45 AM
I believe God should be the ONLY giver and taker of life!

God bless,
~Grace~

rua2j33
12th June 2004, 09:38 AM
Thou shalt not commit murder...end of discussion

TheMainException
14th June 2004, 11:02 AM
I'm surprised that more people didn't put "Not sure." This is a hairy subject. The Bible strictly says "Thou shalt not murder." But is it really murder if you are helping someone out of pain. I think it is, but I'm still not totally sure.

PaladinGirl
23rd July 2004, 11:36 AM
I think that Euthanasia is OK but only under one circumstance and that is if the patient directly requests it. It cannot be something that a family member consents to. To me, if a person is so terminally ill that they just don't want to live any longer then why not give them the right to end their pain quicker?

Ashlynne
23rd July 2004, 03:22 PM
I think it is wrong.....
Besides think about how the person who is left behind after ending someone elses life would feel. I personaly could not do that!
Also as long as there is life I believe there is a chance of recovery no matter what the situation.

A woman I know what very sick, and the doctors told her family her kidneys were no longer funtioning. They wanted the family to remove life saport.
The family asked that this woman be moved to a privet room, and desided not to remove life saport. The next day her kidneys started wortking again. Today she is still sick but she is setting in a weel chair, and very much alive.

Life is too preciouse to give up on it!

Key Peninsula Redneck
23rd July 2004, 03:33 PM
...is murder, plain and simple.

Kathryn13
23rd July 2004, 08:43 PM
No. It's up to God when and how he wants someone to come into the Kindgom through death, and responsibility of no one but Him. Just because someone wants to die "with dignity" is not a justification for murder. There are alot of things that God has us do in our lives that have nothing to do with dignity...how about giving birth for one!

Kristi1
6th September 2004, 02:34 PM
first you have killing of the tremianlly ill, then the old, then the mentally and physicaly handicapped who are "unproductive", where would it end ?


AMEN!! Didymus :hug:!!!!!!!


Sometimes Pain is so severe in life people like myself the Severely Disabled do not have a choice. My daddy last year committed suicicde due to cancer and Lou Gehrigs disease! I died more than once in my life, Not of my own doing, God always brought me back! This first time I remember was in 1965 after my birth defect surgery. The seond is when I passed out from Dehydration in 2001, I had a virus and could not keep even water in my body. After and ambulance ride to the hospital, they gave me three liters of saline soultion and about five hours in the emergency room. They made me rest and eat something before they would release me.

Sometimes we have no choice in life, Please Understand the Disabled and their pain, we would love you for this understanding!


Love Always, Hurting in Oregon :cry:,

KristiAnn

~PICKLE~
6th September 2004, 04:09 PM
It's a sticky situation-- Can really answer without being put in the situation. I love people to much to put a end to their life or to see them suffer.

Richard
6th September 2004, 07:07 PM
I see how that could be okay , but I don't think it is !!!!!! No Matter WHAT !!!!!!

okiemommy26
27th September 2004, 06:28 PM
I vote no God only has that power and click on the wrong one i put not sure but i meant no

night2day
27th September 2004, 07:45 PM
Euthanasia = murder

night2day
27th September 2004, 08:07 PM
...I would not want to believe in a God who can stand by and let people suffer agony if he could prevent it. I just don't think God works like that...

He doesn't. That's why he has us here to be with those who have need of someone to be with them through their suffering.

My grandmother (mother's side) was in such pain and agony a vast majority of her life. Over half of it due to the methods and "treatments" the doctors used to treat her conditions way back when and returned with a vengeance as she grew older.

Grandpa remained with her and took rather good care of her for as long as he could until he was taken by cancer and passed away three years ago. They were married nearly 65 years.

Grandmom often prayed the Lord would take her home, not because she wanted to die. She just wanted the pain to stop. The Lord called her home six months ago.

With all the methods of pain relief available today pain is vastly under-treated and patients aren't given what is needed. And there's no excuse for it.

Euthanasia is another form of murder.

True compassion and care is taking care of the individual and being there just as my grandfather was there for my grandmother. Not tossing them away because they become too much of a burden.

Gwynne
27th September 2004, 09:49 PM
Euthanasia is always wrong.

Moros
28th September 2004, 02:03 AM
no

oldrooster
28th September 2004, 02:05 AM
There are many circumstances where it is appropriate....

Mimi
29th September 2004, 05:39 AM
Yes......because we not only have the right to live a good life, but to die peacefully without suffering.

GodFlute2
15th December 2004, 05:33 PM
I don't know.

Truth Be Told
13th January 2005, 09:40 PM
I think that biblically it isnt right but then again there are so many circumstances surrounding it. Like the "pulling of the plug" issue that was brought up vs. just outright killing. Theres a big difference. I think its a persons personal choice and that they can and will account for what they chose. Judge not, lest ye be judged.

97trsgl
13th January 2005, 11:45 PM
No... God says Thou Shalt not Kill

bill16652
14th January 2005, 07:31 AM
this is nothing more than murder at worst and suicide at best both are wrong. we must start valuing our elderly again for their wisdom and experience

freyajem
14th January 2005, 12:47 PM
I think a person has a right to decide whether or not extraordinary means are used to keep them alive. But I think it is wrong to do something purposely to bring on death. That is killing and God says "Thou shalt not kiill"

Raheelah
25th January 2005, 12:10 PM
no it is wrong only Jesus has the right to take life

Zoomer
25th January 2005, 01:20 PM
God is the giver and taker of life, not man.

Belle0985
18th February 2005, 04:12 PM
I believe that if God wants the person to live or die that is his decision. And I always think to myself, maybe He is putting this person through a test, and if he lives through the situation then he will be a stronger person for it and if not and is saved then he has a place by God.

Sweet Pea
18th February 2005, 09:07 PM
God is the giver and taker of life, not man.

ditto

Tanyalita
19th February 2005, 04:43 AM
This is a hard topic. I can't vote on it yet. I'm not sure how I feel about it. *.*

LadyCoyote_Fin
19th February 2005, 05:33 AM
I replied no.

My opinion is tha active euthinasia isn't right.

Non-active euthinasia... We can't force anyone to get treatments. I mean in that case you know you wouldn't survive, just get 2 weeks more to live in pain... I understand you would deny to take any treatments, only pain killers.

LC :angel:

faller_g
19th February 2005, 06:26 AM
well,
i think if someone asks someone else to end there life AS LONG AS THEY ARE IN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PAIN, then it is not murder, and i would want it done personally, but i do not think that God would approve of this.

Neenie
19th February 2005, 06:41 AM
I voted yes, but only if the person is in extreme pain that life would be unbearable. If I was in that situation I'd make sure I ask God's help first. If that doesn't work I'd ask "where were you"? when I'm standing at those pearly gates....

Mister_mag00
24th February 2005, 09:42 PM
Absolutely NO-Murder is Murder,and no peson has the right to take anothers life, even if they think they want to die today ,they may not tomorrow-No such thing as a mercy killing for humans-Where there`s life there`s hope. Besides it is illegal.

Faith In God
24th February 2005, 09:44 PM
Depends. If by saying that pulling the plug on a braindead person is not euthanasia, then we don't need it.

Organist
25th February 2005, 01:56 AM
I voted 'no' ... this would be way too easy to bump off the next of kin to get the inheritance. People would forge the signature just to get rid of the person, and get their money or estate. It would be too easily abused!

Besides, it would be wrong to do, anyway.

Underoath
10th March 2005, 06:40 PM
I'm not sure, really. It's only God's job to take life, no one else's. But if you're in pain, and agree to being let go, then maybe. I'd pray a lot about it and the Lord will let you know what he thinks.

pentecostalgirl0414
10th March 2005, 10:40 PM
No. It is not okay to kill some one. No matter what the situation is!

rockerchick4j
11th March 2005, 12:06 AM
I think its totally up to God when a person is supposed to leave this world. But thats JUST me.

underOATH!
11th March 2005, 03:36 AM
It's not right.

Lithium Hobo
11th March 2005, 03:38 AM
Very hard to decide. My great aunt had a stroke, fell over, hit her head on the corner of a table, and went into a coma. My father pulled the plug. She died within 20 minutes. I wasn't at all happy. It's very difficult to make that decision. Let them hang on via medical supplies, which can be alot of money, and possibly live in pain, or let them slip into a death that ends all pain, except the emotional of loved ones. So, I'm really not sure what to think on this one. Very conflicted.

Saruman
12th March 2005, 12:00 PM
i too, would undoubtedly feel mixed emotions if I was in the situation, but for now, i say its wrong.

RedneckAnglican
12th March 2005, 05:57 PM
not even a little..

mamabear4
12th March 2005, 10:41 PM
I believe killing anyone is wrong. Our brother/sister's blood will cry to God from the ground if we do. Take the Terri Schiavo case. If she dies from lack of nutrition her death will set a precedent for all similar cases hereafter. In time, though, you can be sure there will be more and more "similar cases," involving people who are simply "unproductive." That may very well include anyone who thinks differently from the mainstream. Call me a doomsday preacher, but the handwriting is on the wall, as far as I'm concerned. Of course, the popular media doesn't want us thinking that far ahead.

DanielJamesSimon
20th March 2005, 10:53 PM
I said "no" but I'm still not 100% sure if it might be okay in some, very few but some cases. At the moment though I hold to "no".

Abbadon
21st March 2005, 03:37 PM
I think euthinasia being good or bad depends on the circumstances. My uncle died of cancer last year, and I don't think we should have let him suffer as long as he did. For the most part, I tend to think that it's not always inherently evil. If the person has made their peace with God, if suffering physically, and the family is suffering emotionally because of the person's physical suffering, than it can be a good thing.

mamabear4
21st March 2005, 06:01 PM
I believe murder is murder is murder, no matter what color you paint it. Circumstances that would justify euthanasia vary as widely as peoples' opinions. :(

missionette
21st March 2005, 08:45 PM
Here's what i think: When a person is in a vegetative or comatose state for many years, I do not know if it is then wrong to "let them go". I think the whole topic of euthanasia and extensive life support is just a subconscious effort to play the roll of God. Im not saying that those who are on life support are trying to be God, but the ones who keep them there for years and years are mostly afraid of them not being there. That's why i thank God that I and my family know where we will be when we die. However, I know in Holland,i used to live there, euthanasia is legal and politically correct. "Mercy k(ill)ing " is still k(ill)ing , no matter how u put it. I do think there is a border between euthanasia and letting go. I believe that difference is based upon a conscious decision over time that the person on life support is not coming back, there should be medical proof of this. I also strongly believe that Terri Shiavo has the right to live. I watched video tapes of her willingly interacting with others, and have heard accounts of her attempting to speak. Because i know she is not and has not been on life support, but only being fed like we all need to be, the removal of her feeding toob is unethical and is severe, unacceptable euthanasia, also known as mu(rd)er . Terri Shiavo is in my deepest prayers, as her life is more than a symbol of presidence, it is a matter of pure and evil.
May God Bless and Keep You,
Missionette

darkmb101
21st March 2005, 09:25 PM
I say that euthanasia should be okay after 30 or 40 years after being in a consistant vegetable state because you just have to let people die and missing 30 - 40 years of your life makes you feel confused and highly traumatized.

eternal_flame_1988
24th March 2005, 06:58 AM
killing human life is NEVER okay. For one...it breaks on of the ten commandments...Thou shalt not kill! And Euthenasia takes away Gods right to decide the length and path in our life. Euthenasia and Suicide are sins and should NEVER be done!

AvgJoe
27th March 2005, 09:11 PM
It is never okay! That is God's decision. He knows best when it is our time to go. He does not need any help, in these matters.

mamabear4
28th March 2005, 04:34 AM
I don't konw how the big-time poll takers get their results but doesn't it seem the prominent ones manage to get very liberal views? The news media have been telling us this week that the majority of Americans believe Terri Schiavo needs to die. I have yet to find anyone on the street or in my community to believes that. I've asked people how folks are talking at their church, places of employment, within the medical field, in their families, at school, etc, and everyone says about the same thing: "We don't see how our judicial system has gotten so low (as to deny Schiavo food and water so she'll die.")

Euthanasia is still looked upon in America as wrong, I believe. We need to urge our elected officials to implement laws that will protect those who are unable to speak for themselves.

Faith In God
28th March 2005, 07:43 PM
I don't konw how the big-time poll takers get their results but doesn't it seem the prominent ones manage to get very liberal views? The news media have been telling us this week that the majority of Americans believe Terri Schiavo needs to die. I have yet to find anyone on the street or in my community to believes that. I've asked people how folks are talking at their church, places of employment, within the medical field, in their families, at school, etc, and everyone says about the same thing: "We don't see how our judicial system has gotten so low (as to deny Schiavo food and water so she'll die.")

Euthanasia is still looked upon in America as wrong, I believe. We need to urge our elected officials to implement laws that will protect those who are unable to speak for themselves.
mamabear got my vote :thumbsup:

Palatka44
28th March 2005, 07:59 PM
The Apostle Paul equated suffering with gloring.

alaurie
28th March 2005, 08:31 PM
I didn't vote. Intentionally dosing a terminally ill patient for the sole purpose of ending life is to me assisted suicide and is morally wrong. Dosing the patient with adequate pain medication, even to the point of causing respirations to cease, IMO isn't. But what constitutes euthanasia means different things to different people, so I didn't vote.

As a Christian, anti-abortion, registered dietitian who has worked in long-term care, hospice, prolonging life by artificial means without reasonable hope of recovery is just as much playing God to me as abortion is. But I realize many people don't agree with me. So, please, everyone take the time to fill out a living will!!! You should be able to get this from your state government website along with information about witnesses needed, etc. to make it legally binding. Although my family members know and are in agreement with my wishes, I got a copy today and am in the process of filling it out.

I bolded/underlined my wishes below although I don't actually have to fill it out because I'm designating my mom, sister and a physician cousin in that order to act as medical power of attorney. They all are Christians, are all in healthcare and are all three in agreement with me about end of life issues. I've omitted my dad and brother only because they aren't medical professionals, and I've witnessed twice in family/friend circumstances physicians who see all death as their personal failure attempt to railroad my loved ones into measures that would only prolong suffering when even they (the physicians) admitted there was no hope. This, though in one case my grandfather was lucid enough to tell the physician he didn't want heroics, and in the other case (a family friend who had a living will) the physician attempted to emotionally manipulate the friend's son into providing more care than her living will stated she wanted.

---------from advanced directives form for the state of Mississippi-------

Part 2

Instructions for Health Care

If you are satisfied to allow your agent to determine what is best for you in making end-of-life decisions, you need not fill out this part of the form. If you do fill out this part of the form, you may strike any wording you do not want.

(6) END-OF-LIFE DECISIONS: I direct that my health-care providers and others involved in my care provide, withhold, or withdraw treatment in accordance with the choice I have marked below:

(a) Choice Not To Prolong Life
I do not want my life to be prolonged if (i) I have an incurable and irreversible condition that will result in my death within a relatively short time, (ii) I become unconscious and, to a reasonable degree of medical certainty, I will not regain consciousness, or (iii) the likely risks and burdens of treatment would outweigh the expected benefits; or

(b) Choice To Prolong Life
I want my life to be prolonged as long as possible within the limits of generally accepted health-care standards.

(7) ARTIFICIAL NUTRITION AND HYDRATION: Artificial nutrition and hydration must be provided(strike through provided- I DO NOT WANT IT), withheld or withdrawn in accordance with the choice I have made in paragraph (6) unless I mark the following box. If I mark this box G, artificial nutrition and hydration must be provided regardless of my condition and regardless of the choice I have made in paragraph (6).

(8) RELIEF FROM PAIN: Except as I state in the following space, I direct that treatment for alleviation of pain or discomfort be provided at all times, even if it hastens my death:


Exception - honor (8) only when the conditions of (6)(a)(i) above are agreed upon by the agents designated by me in the medical power of attorney section of this document.

eternal_flame_1988
29th March 2005, 11:34 PM
It is never okay! That is God's decision. He knows best when it is our time to go. He does not need any help, in these matters.

exactly...the same with abortion...God knows best when people are to be created.

MetalBlade
30th March 2005, 12:56 AM
I think it is just the same as murder.

RizNChrist
30th March 2005, 12:58 AM
:doh:
" Anytime a human takes a life of another human by free choice, it is murder, no matter the circumstances. "

This is so true! Simply put... we don't give life, :doh: we shouldn't take it.

Katzen
30th March 2005, 01:04 AM
I voted no, and realize it is a complex issue. However, what is going on today with the murders of people who cannot speak for themselves is absolutely abominable.

eternal_flame_1988
30th March 2005, 11:20 PM
I voted no, and realize it is a complex issue. However, what is going on today with the murders of people who cannot speak for themselves is absolutely abominable.

so true

knownbeforetime
5th April 2005, 03:12 AM
It is wrong to sentence someone to death just because they are disabled. Humans have a natural instinct to stay alive. So how can anyone say that their loved one would "want" to die? On CNN, the anchor read a letter that said, "No one deserves to be kept alive." I just about threw up my lunch. I almost thought that Hitler had returned from the dead. The first group of people that Hitler sought to annihilate were the disabled because they distracted from the ideals of an aryan race.

This issue of euthanasia is not about love for the disabled individual, it is about the selfishness of those like Michael Schiavo who find it inconvenient to care for a disabled human being.

In the Declaration of Independence we are granted the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. However, in the modern day, liberal thinkers seek to put the words "right to die" in place of "right to life".

I can only pray that if, somehow, I am in Terri Schiavo's condition, I would not be cast aside like yesterday's trash. I pray that I would be kept alive until the Lord sees fit take me home. I pray that someone would love me enough to take care of me until then.

Tanyalita
5th April 2005, 04:11 PM
I put that I'm not sure. I guess it really depends on the circumstances. I'm not 100% sure where I stand on this issue.

woman.at.the.well
5th April 2005, 04:22 PM
I voted no, and realize it is a complex issue. However, what is going on today with the murders of people who cannot speak for themselves is absolutely abominable.

Amen!

Tapies27
5th April 2005, 05:02 PM
Never.

Krystina661
6th April 2005, 04:41 PM
I put that I'm not sure. I guess it really depends on the circumstances. I'm not 100% sure where I stand on this issue.



I'm with you.

I pretty much think it depends on the situation, but I'm not quite sure.

brinny
6th April 2005, 04:51 PM
I vited no, as in never. I'm real clear on this no, ever since the killing of an innocent who was not able to defend herself.

Freedom&Light
6th April 2005, 07:04 PM
I also think euthanasia is wrong. The Lord works in our lives to the very last second.

Yay life!

Rev Joe
7th April 2005, 07:08 PM
[QUOTE=caitlincares]Myself, my brothers and parents have all told each other we want a DNR order. We do not want to be kept alive by machines.


This is good! Does you doctor have a copy of this DNR you desire? They can become non existant at times. Do you also have an Advance Directory/Living Will, in your doctor's posession, (on your medical chart)? this is to try to make sure that, at the time, there will be no question concerning your wishes. This directive tell's them if you want no attempt to save you, temp.support until determined that nothing will help you to recover, or finally keep trying as long as possible/legally allowed. All positions takes place once you are in the hospital. The Rescue unit usually must get you to the hospital before anything will go into affect. Remember if married, your SPOUSE (If still living) followed by your oldest child down to the youngets (21+ years of age) is you next of kin and they will make this call knowing what your desires were - not other family members. I didn't want to get on my soap box but I am a hospital chaplain and I see a lot of mistakes made daily concerning One's Last Request. :prayer: :preach: :amen:

runner_for_jc
8th April 2005, 08:54 AM
Sorry! dont know what it means!

Krystina661
8th April 2005, 02:54 PM
Sorry! dont know what it means!



Euthinasia: the act or practice of killing or permitting the death of hopelessly sick or injured individuals (as persons or domestic animals) in a relatively painless way for reasons of mercy

Rev Joe
8th April 2005, 02:57 PM
Sorry! dont know what it means!

Hi! Will try here - DNR = DO NOT RESUSCITATE (Meaning, do not medicate, make healthy etc.).These orders are on the Patients Medical chart and are intended, by the individual, to express his desires, when he is dieing and there is really nothing else known that would help him, to let him die.:prayer:

HesMyAll
10th April 2005, 04:13 PM
I don't konw how the big-time poll takers get their results but doesn't it seem the prominent ones manage to get very liberal views? The news media have been telling us this week that the majority of Americans believe Terri Schiavo needs to die. I have yet to find anyone on the street or in my community to believes that. I've asked people how folks are talking at their church, places of employment, within the medical field, in their families, at school, etc, and everyone says about the same thing: "We don't see how our judicial system has gotten so low (as to deny Schiavo food and water so she'll die.")

Euthanasia is still looked upon in America as wrong, I believe. We need to urge our elected officials to implement laws that will protect those who are unable to speak for themselves.

If we did to a convicted murderer what was done to Terri Schiavo this whole country would be in an uproar about how the murderer's civil rights were violated. This is one very sick society we live in.:(

twyrch
10th April 2005, 07:52 PM
Is ending a very sick person's life murder or mercy? Is there any circumstances where euthanasia would be okay? Should one have faith that God can turn things around? Are people meant to suffer when there is no medical solution? What are your thoughts?

btw: Folks, this can be a very controversial and personal subject, so please reply and post with respect and in good will to each other.

This is an interesting question. My grandmother was recently very sick and the doctors gave her a few days to live. She refused a feeding tube or any "heroic measures" to save her life. She needs her heart valve replaced and her kidneys were close to shutting down. She has Diabitis and was too weak for the surgery... Her wish was "To go home and be with Jesus".

So, respecting her wishes, we allowed her to go without a permanent feeding tube... She was too weak for dialysis and couldn't get the heart valve fixed without the dialysis. So we left it in God's hands. God ended up healing her. Her kidneys began working again, she gained strength and still hasn't had the heart valve replaced yet, but is well enough to return home.

I guess my personal opinion would be that intentionally helping someone commit suicide, like Dr. Kevorkian, would be murder. But refusing heroic measures to save your life, or even refusing medication and trusting in God for healing is a personal decision and should be left up to that individual.

Rev Joe
10th April 2005, 08:02 PM
If we did to a convicted murderer what was done to Terri Schiavo this whole country would be in an uproar about how the murderer's civil rights were violated. This is one very sick society we live in.:(

I realize opinions will always be divided on this issue and I do not need nor intend to take issue on this, but just think, if she had a DNR or a Living Will this issue would never have been brought up. FYI - If she had been given bread or water, whom ever gave it to her could be considered her murderer for she would have choked with either of these and died much sooner. This was a bad situation all around.:cry:

twyrch
10th April 2005, 08:07 PM
I realize opinions will always be divided on this issue and I do not need nor intend to take issue on this, but just think, if she had a DNR or a Living Will this issue would never have been brought up. FYI - If she had been given bread or water, whom ever gave it to her could be considered her murderer for she would have choked with either of these and died much sooner. This was a bad situation all around.:cry:

IMO, this whole situation was something personal between Terry, her husband and her family. The media made a circus out of it and it never should have become the issue that it became because frankly, it is none of our business.

Mal2
11th April 2005, 06:20 AM
euthanizing some one is like a P2P genocide, and we all know how well war time genocide has gone over

Bledsoe2
13th April 2005, 08:20 AM
Not sure? Help anyone?

Bledsoe2

sparks_will_fly
13th April 2005, 02:25 PM
euthanasia is for animals not humans:scratch: were supposed to deal with pain and when God says we've had enough,then its finished.

StromRider
13th April 2005, 02:43 PM
Euthanasia, in the case of the terminally ill who request it, or the incapacitated who previously indicated they would want it, is perfectly ok.

For all you people who whined about Terri Schiavo starving to death don't you see that a merciful, quick death was denied her because of all the hangups about euthanasia.

My wife and I have both stated that we would want to go as quickly as possible if we were in Terri's condition. And no, she isn't an evil, immoral atheist like I am :cool:

GoldenStorm
14th April 2005, 12:07 PM
It's wrong to murder anyone, young or old, sick or healthy. That's God's job.

StromRider
14th April 2005, 12:22 PM
It's wrong to murder anyone, young or old, sick or healthy. That's God's job.

It's god's job to murder people :eek:

Oh, I must have read that wrong.

If I was in the condition Schiavo was, or even close to it, I would want someone to 'assist' me in ending it all quickly.

Once again it seems that people like me are being told they must abide by the rules of someone elses religion.

When did the US become a theocracy?

mamabear4
14th April 2005, 01:48 PM
When did the US become a theocracy?


When did the U.S. stop believing that God is sovreign?

StromRider
14th April 2005, 02:27 PM
When did the U.S. stop believing that God is sovreign?


When I moved here :D

Sorry, shouldn't take all the credit away from all the natural born US citizens who don't believe god is sovereign.

Kira Faye
16th April 2005, 12:54 PM
I said yes, but in certain extreme circumstances. I myself have a long term chronic illnesses that can put in in this position easily and I am in the process of getting a living will and at the age of 18 its kinda scary. I can see however in a certain circumstance where euthinasia woudl be a vaild thing......but only in extreme cases.

Faith In God
16th April 2005, 02:35 PM
When I moved here :D

Sorry, shouldn't take all the credit away from all the natural born US citizens who don't believe god is sovereign.
Saying the US is a christian nation does not specifically refer to its people living there. Why do atheists take offence when the US takes favor toward the judeo-christian side (which they took from the beginning. The pilgrims were all christian, but firmly established that the government should not persecute because of beliefs)?

Rev Joe
17th April 2005, 10:12 PM
It's wrong to murder anyone, young or old, sick or healthy. That's God's job.

Sorry to stick my two cents in here, But "When Does GOD Kill"?:scratch:

Krystina661
18th April 2005, 06:41 AM
Sorry to stick my two cents in here, But "When Does GOD Kill"?:scratch:



Anyone with common sense would realize that they didn't mean God kills, but rather has the choice of when someone dies. This is why forums can really suck. To many people taking things the wrong way from what someone meant to really say.. or they just feel like starting some stupid debate.. :doh:

GEO4CHRIST
18th April 2005, 01:46 PM
What is Euthinasia????

StromRider
18th April 2005, 02:05 PM
What is Euthinasia????


I believe it's a school field trip to India.

Someone should start a thread about euthanasia.

97trsgl
18th April 2005, 03:43 PM
What is Euthinasia????



Murder of helpless people

Rev Joe
18th April 2005, 05:09 PM
Anyone with common sense would realize that they didn't mean God kills, but rather has the choice of when someone dies. This is why forums can really suck. To many people taking things the wrong way from what someone meant to really say.. or they just feel like starting some stupid debate.. :doh:

Just thought you would like to know how DUMB the statement sounded!

Bethany Lea
18th April 2005, 05:24 PM
Definitely not okay. :liturgy:

no_worries
18th April 2005, 05:34 PM
Just what is wrong with youth in asia? I don't see any problem with them!

Seriously though, I think that (at least in the US) human life is not valued as highly as it should be (as reflected by much of our culture). I don't think that someone should have to suffer unnecessarily, but I still believe that euthinasia is wrong. With the current pace of advancements in medical technology I don't think that ending life is a good cure.

Faith In God
19th April 2005, 08:56 PM
Just what is wrong with youth in asia? I don't see any problem with them!

Seriously though, I think that (at least in the US) human life is not valued as highly as it should be (as reflected by much of our culture). I don't think that someone should have to suffer unnecessarily, but I still believe that euthinasia is wrong. With the current pace of advancements in medical technology I don't think that ending life is a good cure.
Badda boom.

Krystina661
19th April 2005, 10:20 PM
Just thought you would like to know how DUMB the statement sounded!




:P

Faith In God
20th April 2005, 07:25 PM
What is Euthanasia????
"Mercy killing". Literally to end a hospitalized patient's misery.
And I can't believe how many people said that joke...:)

I still like no_worries 's post. :thumbsup:

jewishprincess613
21st April 2005, 09:22 AM
I don't believe euthanisia is right. I truly believe that only G~d should have a say when a life is to end. Now, if death is INEVITABLE, I think a person has a right to be taken off life support, but I believe euthanisia is wrong and a form of suicide/murder.

purpleunicorn_Andi
29th April 2005, 12:43 AM
life is too precious to kill someone because they are not perfectly healthy. letting someone go who is already gone...ie machine breathing for, pumping their heart...this is different than what happened to terri shrivo...I have no problem puling a plug on someone who isn't breathing, hearts not pumping on it's own, no brain activity at all... but starving someone by taking out their only means of nutrition is wrong

Droobie
17th May 2006, 01:05 AM
Is euthinasia and assisted suicide the same thing!?

Angeldove97
17th May 2006, 09:38 PM
No I don't believe in it. ^_^

handmaiden97
19th May 2006, 01:09 PM
I think if I was in an accident, I would not want someone to hook me up to any maching to keep me alive. but If the already did hook me up...well then it would be murder to unhook me. does that make sense. If I die, leave me dead, try to save me I suppose if I have children dependent on me, it would be good for the doctors to try to keep me alive....hmm, I think I just spoke in circles

truth is Im unsure how it would apply to me, however int he long run I dont beleive it is right to take someones life, weather by unplugging them or by putting them to sleep (that is essentially what euthanasia is right)

Moluku
19th May 2006, 04:28 PM
Not sure when it comes to this. As Christians, we know our lives and when we die are in the hands of the Lord. But I struggle when it comes to someone who is terminally ill and is pain. Or the case of the patient in a vegetative state who is destined to a life of remaining comatose in bed. Would I blame someone who chose euthanasia, no. It's not my place to judge them one way or the other. In the end, the decision is between that person/family and God.

Gukkor
18th June 2006, 09:29 PM
If a conscious, sound-minded person able to feel the pain of their condition genuinely asked me to end their life after having given the matter serious thought, I honestly have no idea what I'd do.

ChavaK
18th June 2006, 11:21 PM
G-d gave us life and we have no right to end our own.
Although I certainly am not going to condemn someone
who is terminaly ill, in terrible pain, etc choosing to do so...

firestar
10th August 2006, 06:33 AM
I don't believe it's right.

KarenJoy
10th August 2006, 12:17 PM
Anytime a human takes a life of another human by free choice, it is murder, no matter the circumstances. People suffer all over the world all the time. What gives anyone a right to go around killing them? Suffering is there for a reason. It makes us stronger, it humbles and refines us.
If you want to help those that suffer, don't turn your back on them by getting rid of them. Ease their pain by being there for them to love and comfort. Best of all, pray to Jesus with them for help and read them the Holy Bible.

"Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope." (Romans 5:3)

I agree with the above.

If Not For Grace
10th August 2006, 12:27 PM
God gave us Free Will - it's your choice.

PS. IF sin is not measured and all have sinned, why is it we focus so much on one..Even this one would not void salvation would it?

ChavaK
11th August 2006, 12:40 AM
I have a tough time with this one. On the one hand, we are given life from HaShem and only he should be able
to take it.
On the other hand, we have artificial means to keep
people alive long past the point they would have
normally died and is it wrong to then withdraw the
means of keeping them alive?
And if the person is in extreme pain with little or no
hope of recovery, who are we to insist that they
suffer? I guess in the long run each person has to
decide for themselves. But no one should ever be
allowed to have medical care withdrawn without
their consent.
So I guess I am on the fence about this one.....
I have given it consideration since my original post
and decided that was too pat of an answer...

Chazper
11th August 2006, 12:56 AM
Euthenasia or Mercy Killing:

If you believe God is Mercyful, you should not perform euthenasia... Why?

'Coz, it's like your saying God is NOT Mercyful and you are mercyful. Remember, it's God responsibility to take away what He gave.

ChrisCountryGirl
23rd August 2006, 09:01 PM
No. I don't believe in euthansia.

Gukkor
24th August 2006, 12:06 AM
Euthenasia or Mercy Killing:

If you believe God is Mercyful, you should not perform euthenasia... Why?

'Coz, it's like your saying God is NOT Mercyful and you are mercyful. Remember, it's God responsibility to take away what He gave.

We could say this about a lot of things, though. Cooking a meal for someone could be interpreted as implying that God doesn't provide for us, but the person cooking the meal does. A judge trying to do his job fairly and ethically could be accused of implying that he is just and God isn't. You get the idea.

barbaraclarke
25th August 2006, 01:06 AM
the bible says that we shouold not kill

CavFan
27th August 2006, 04:24 PM
I think ending a person's life, no matter how you do it, is murder. God can still have a plan for someone who is in a vegatative state. He could turn that person into His greatest miracle.

Hishandmaiden
28th August 2006, 11:39 AM
I think that it is murder, because it is removing a person away before his or her time is up. Paul suffered more than any of the people, and yet, he never gave up on his life. There was one time when he was stoned until people thought he was dead, but he got up and could walk, again, and he continued to live.

I wanted to end my life on several occasions, but God intervened and stopped me from doing so. No matter how tough life could be, life is created by God, and we must tried our best to live it even in times when we most felt like giving up.

I knew what it is like to want to end your life in times of pains, I had sucidal attempts before, but I knew even more that God must had seen the meaning behind life even in times when we most felt that we wanted to give up our lives, God must had seen the meaning behind the seemingly hopeless, plainless life that we felt like giving up at times, and therefore, in times of pains, we needed to have the eyes of God, to see our lives in the same light as the way he saw them.

plum
30th August 2006, 03:20 PM
i am absolutely 115% against euthinasia. it is an issue of control. and also an issue of one's misunderstanding of physical suffering......

but the pain and agony many people are in is frightening and i wouldn't wish it on anyone.

but it doesn't mean you should die early or die now at all.

Edelweiss4Life
6th September 2006, 04:22 PM
not an acceptable act

Hisbygrace
22nd January 2007, 12:01 PM
I know that God makes the ultimate decision where life and death is concerned and that is good because we don't know when He may change a situation around. He has all power to do so.
But it is hard to watch those you care about suffer and waste away. I guess I am somewhat confused, because I think it depends on the situation. If someone is brain dead then I don't think that they should be kept alive by unusual means such as machines, this is not life. But I don't believe because someone has a terminal disease they such be aided to died. Death should come natural and by the hands of God...
Hope I haven't confused everyone.

Pogue
22nd January 2007, 12:26 PM
Not sure. On one hand, we would put a dog down if it was suffering, why can't we show the same mercy to people who suffer? However, I believe human life is sacred. I think that it's a choice people should make for themselves.

mohawk
24th January 2007, 12:26 AM
Where would we draw the line? How many depressed people would look at it as a simple way out? Some people have chemical imbalances in their brains that are treatable with the proper medication...how many would die before giving medicine a chance? I think it's too great a risk for abuse.

Kathryn13
27th January 2007, 08:33 PM
No!

Belinda
28th January 2007, 03:02 AM
What about PASSIVE Euthanasia though? Like removing peoples feeding tubes and stuff like that? I dont see that as wrong really...

HesMyAll
28th January 2007, 09:52 AM
What about PASSIVE Euthanasia though? Like removing peoples feeding tubes and stuff like that? I dont see that as wrong really...

I don't think that we should participate in "passive" euthanasis. To remove food and water from a person is to starve them to death. I'm all for giving meds to control pain and make a person comfortable but am against doing anything that would hasten their death.

chucknorrisrules
12th April 2007, 11:26 AM
Not everyone is religious and when they are ill to the point where they need 24/7 care from someone else, then i think they can have the choice, whether it is the right choice or not in the eyes of God is a different story.

JPPT1974
12th April 2007, 10:45 PM
I put down not sure as I know
That it is illegal in several states
But now, I wished that I put down
No for my answer. Oh well, nothing I can do about it!

TCat
13th April 2007, 03:49 PM
No, euthinasia is not ok. If someone is dying we need to give them meds and keep them as confortable as possible but let God take them as He sees fit. If my husband or children were on feeding tubes and machines with no hope of recovery I do not think stopping those means of life support is murder.

LoveAlways
13th April 2007, 04:28 PM
Why should we have problems with doctors ending a person's life if we're so apt to have doctors unnaturally extend a persons life? A lot of this pain and suffering euthenasia is advocated to relieve is caused because people are living too long.

I don't know how I feel about this issue.

Lake
15th April 2007, 08:16 PM
I wish someone would put me out my misery

hurting
Move to Oregon. I think they have this worked out to help.

hmmm

CandyL
16th April 2007, 11:33 AM
No, IMO its murder.

charvel
25th April 2007, 01:14 AM
Nope.God's the master of when we go and not us.

Followers4christ
27th April 2007, 07:48 AM
Murder is murder it can not be justified.No one has the right to play God and those who do will not inherit the kingdom of God.God Bless



Sixth Commandment reads "Thou shall not Kill"

Mark 7:21 For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.

Luke 18:20 You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'

James 5:6 You have condemned and murdered innocent men, who were not opposing you.

RescueAngel
27th April 2007, 08:18 AM
This is murder. And maybe the worst kind, exploiting the ill when it's the last thing we should be doing. Having worked for a long time with death and dying I know this is not the way and just how wrong it really is, and how its murder and there is no way around that reality.

The only grace to be given will be for them, for they won't have been the state of mind to have been able to make sane, rational choices, but to those that could assist them and make it possible? I pray for they are the ones in the most dangerous place with the Lord indeed, for they have no excuse for their actions.

justanobserver
28th April 2007, 07:35 PM
I voted Yes. If i have reached that stage in physical health that to exist is torture, an agony to breath and I will pass on at some point but only with further pain and suffering - then please please please end it and let me go in dignity.

just my opinion for me only, of course. (based on seeing a lot of death my life - military an civilian)

TurtleTamer
17th May 2007, 08:39 PM
If you asked me a few years ago, I'd say no. Since I've started working in the medical field, I've seen a lot of people who have made end of life choices (terminating life sustaining care such as dialysis) and the process, and i think at a certain point, people are just ready to die. I feel that when people come to a reasoned informed decision to allow their life to end, it is moral and ethical to make such a transition as easy as possible on them. If the death a patient terminating care would face could be eased by euthanasia, I'm fine with it.

humblet
17th May 2007, 10:23 PM
Euthanasia is murder.

Oblivious
18th May 2007, 10:30 PM
If they're clinically brain-dead i.e. they're being kept alive by machines, than I don't have a problem with it.

Ephraimsdaughter
19th August 2007, 06:50 AM
It is murder - plain and simple.

lyonguard
29th August 2007, 01:27 PM
I believe it is wrong

JPPT1974
30th August 2007, 04:14 PM
It's murder and that it
Should be a law that it is murder!

faith guardian
4th September 2007, 08:47 AM
There are times when I would prefer death to life.
Miracles can happen yes. But in some scenarios... I'd choose to go home to my savior.

GodsAmbassador2Nicolette
4th September 2007, 04:24 PM
Euthinasia is murder. We can not play God and we can not decide when people's lives are no longer worth living. Where would we stop?

faith guardian
5th September 2007, 02:08 AM
Euthinasia is murder. We can not play God and we can not decide when people's lives are no longer worth living. Where would we stop?
Scenario -
You are a soldier. You're captured by a host of foes - let's say Islamic fanatics - or the Gestapo. You know you'll be tortured, gutted and that you might spill information through this leading to the death of others.
There's a sniper from your side you know can take you out with a single shot if you just signal him.
Do you?
I would.

Scenario 2
Your body is ridden with cancer. You have fully blown AIDS. AND you are paralyzed from the neck down.
Your life has been constant agony for years, and now morphine, or other powerful painkillers just don't work anymore.
You know your death will be excruciatingly painful, and slow.
Would you prefer to live another year or two - or five - in such a condition where doctors just try to avoid the inevitable? Or would you prefer a quick death?

JPPT1974
8th September 2007, 04:23 PM
Miracles can and will happen
But not by using euthinasia
As there are better things than that.

RyanJoseph
12th November 2007, 02:44 PM
I believe God's will is for all of us to live through time's of good and extreme desperation so as to be a testament for him.

Therefore I feel it is not okay from a Christian POV.

Kirkhaven
15th January 2008, 02:38 PM
Call it what it is, killing, murder, suicide. Therefore, it is wrong.