Should the church establish by Jesus be United or Divided?

[SecretOfFatima]

Should the church (http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=27114838&postcount=1) establish by Jesus be United or Divided?

In my personal opinion I say the kingdom should be United.

Jesus teaches about this in Mark 3:23-29

23So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? 24If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. 28I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. 29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."

[MrJim]

Sure, it should be united...it's just that everyone can't agree on how and all the different denom groups read the bible a little different--even in the RCC there are issues divide instead of unite (just toss in a "cafeteria catholic" thread in OBOB and what the fur fly;)).

But that doesn't mean we can't be united despite our differences. Interesting phrasing the Vatican uses--"Separated Brethren", key word there is brethren...so even there we are united to a degree.

Sort of a weird forum for this discussion...but maybe not.

[yeshuaslavejeff]

martyrs around the world are united in Yahshua HaMeshiach - though they mey for a time be in different groups, those who are in Yahshua HaMeshiach are by G_d's doing One Body.

as Yahshua said, just as it is written, the Way to Life is narrow, and few are there who find it. so don't expect to be popular if you want to live the Life G_d has designed - just the opposite in fact - you will be hated by men for no reason at all, just as they hate Yahshua.

i may not have the time and effort to follow up much here, so if you're seeking the Wisdom that is from G_d remember that Yahshua's Promise is that if you are willing to obey Him, Abba, the Father G_d Creator of all will teach you Himself the truth about all things.

His Word, the Bible, also warns that if you put your trust in man, you are under a curse;
while if your trust is in the Creator, you will never, not ever, be disappointed by Him.

[SecretOfFatima]

Servant of God Fulton J. Sheen once quoted the following: There are not over a 100 people in the U.S. that hate the Catholic Church, there are millions however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church -- which is, of course, quite a different thing. --


Could you give me examples of a couple of issues which you think the catholic church may be divided?
(I will check what is the Vatican official position on the subject and let you know the details)


--even in the RCC there are issues divide instead of unite (just toss in a "cafeteria catholic" thread in OBOB and what the fur fly;)).

[FLANDIDLYANDERS]

I thought you were discussing church, not just the Catholic branch. ;)

Uniformity is not unity.

[Rick Otto]

it should be united, and it IS.
Every other pretender is marked by division.
We check our answers against what Jesus says, not what some other guy says.

[MrJim]

Servant of God Fulton J. Sheen once quoted the following: There are not over a 100 people in the U.S. that hate the Catholic Church, there are millions however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church -- which is, of course, quite a different thing. --


Could you give me examples of a couple of issues which you think the catholic church may be divided?
(I will check what is the Vatican official position on the subject and let you know the details)


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^_^Abortion, Clergy Gender, Clergy Marriage, Papal Authority, Mass Style (Norvus vs Tridentine [i think those are the terms] there are plenty of things that Catholics have division...I get into OBOB pretty regularly and things are not always as "united" as first appears.

[SecretOfFatima]

^_^Abortion, Clergy Gender, Clergy Marriage, Papal Authority, Mass Style (Norvus vs Tridentine [i think those are the terms] there are plenty of things that Catholics have division...I get into OBOB pretty regularly and things are not always as "united" as first appears.

Abortion
Is it a sin to be pro-choice in the matter of abortion?

Most likely it is. Being pro-choice in abortion appears to fall in the category of "cooperation in evil" or aiding another in sin." The Second Vatican Council called abortion an abominable crime and a heinous mortal sin. Cooperation or aiding in such a crime and sin makes one an accomplice and guilty along with the direct perpetrator.

Below is probably one of the best examples of the work being done to try to wake up people to the culture of death that sorrounds us (have you ever asked where did abortion came from)
http://priestsforlife.org/images/index.htm

Clergy Gender,Clergy Marriage
You probably thinking about the Anglican Churches...
...Only a couple of weeks ago 5 priests were ex-comunicate for such an act. see story over here
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=7693


Mass Style
There is no division at all on this.
The Church Magisterium approves which rites are valid.
This was explained by Pope Pius XII in his Encyclical Letter Mediator Dei.
If the church follows the teachings of the apostolic catholic church(for example the Maronite Churches (http://www.maronitemonks.org/MaroniteCatholics.htm)) then is down to the Catholic Church Magisterium to approve the rite.
That is my limited understading but this is a massive topic by itself and documentation from the vatican archives should be used for any public statement.

Because people in the OBOB are catholics, that does not mean that everyones level of knowledge about the catholic church is the same, catholics should always refer to the vatican position/teachings in order to discern about a particular issue.

[Morgaine1205]

I must ask that you please read the sticky at the top of this forum. This forum is not for denominational debate - this conversation is heading down the path of several other threads that are inappropriate for this forum.

[catlover]

Why are the majority of threads here about why someone should be a member of church "A" or "B"?

[FLANDIDLYANDERS]

Cos no-one wants to embrace corpus christi.

[MrJim]

Why are the majority of threads here about why someone should be a member of church "A" or "B"?

I hear you, this forum could turn into "recruiting ground" pretty easily.

Miss the "Unchurched" crowd, there was usually some interesting things going on...