An Honest Opinion of MLQURGW, What do you think of him?

[mlqurgw]

First let me say that my name is Ron and I am not looking for compliments or shallow praise. I am aware that we most often see ourselves very differently than others see us. My purpose in this thread is to be able to find out how others see me. I wish for you to be brutally honest with me, I can take it. I promise I will not try to defend myself. I ask because I really want to know what is is that I am communicating. I can't improve if I don't know what to improve. If you think I am mean tell me I am mean. If you think I am stupid tell me that. Tell me whatever you think, don't hold back because you may hurt my feelings. I am actually very thick skinned and promise that you will not make me mad or offend me. My constant prayer is that God will get me out of the way of His truth. I desire with all my heart to be able to point people to Christ. I do not want to get in the way of that. I am serious in this request because I do not want to play games with the souls of eternity bound sinners. I am asking for your help in discerning the truth of how I am perceived. Please be honest and say what you truly think.

I thank any who respond in advance and trust that you know I am being sincere.

[rainbowpromise]

Nice to know you Ron. (that was just a pleasantry)

This post alone has impressed me. I keep trying to tell the pastor of my church that I want honest opinion so that I can change what needs change.
Before I can truly answer, let me read some of your posts again, or for the first time, whatever the case may be. We have a long weekend so I may not get the chance till Tuesday.

:)
Annette

[SumTinWong]

I have never had the pleasure of meeting you so I cannot give you much of an opinion. But maybe after awhile here I can give you a good idea.

[Matthan]

Ron, I find you intelligent but often negative, even argumentative. While we are all opinionated to some degree, I feel you sometimes sink down to nasty when you state yours.

Hey, you asked.

Matthan

[christian73]

First let me say that my name is Ron and I am not looking for compliments or shallow praise. I am aware that we most often see ourselves very differently than others see us. My purpose in this thread is to be able to find out how others see me. I wish for you to be brutally honest with me, I can take it. I promise I will not try to defend myself. I ask because I really want to know what is is that I am communicating. I can't improve if I don't know what to improve. If you think I am mean tell me I am mean. If you think I am stupid tell me that. Tell me whatever you think, don't hold back because you may hurt my feelings. I am actually very thick skinned and promise that you will not make me mad or offend me. My constant prayer is that God will get me out of the way of His truth. I desire with all my heart to be able to point people to Christ. I do not want to get in the way of that. I am serious in this request because I do not want to play games with the souls of eternity bound sinners. I am asking for your help in discerning the truth of how I am perceived. Please be honest and say what you truly think.

I thank any who respond in advance and trust that you know I am being sincere.
Fist, you are anything but stupid. I find you to be a very inteeligent person. I enjoy your posts. I may not agree with you all the time, but I certainly respect you for standing up for what you believe in. :)

[TwinCrier]

I've always found your arguments to be intelligent, even when I do disagree.

[Erinwilcox]

Well, Ron, I've always had the utmost respect for you and have always enjoyed reading your posts. You seem doctrinally sound (now don't let that comment start a debate, this is not the place for it) and I'm glad to know you.

[MrJim]

Glad to know your name is Ron-always had a hard time pronouncing your username so I just always thought of you as "mulgurg" :D

While not always agreeing I did appreciate your approach to issues and valued your response. Mean & stupid never come to mind when I saw your posts, I classed you in with Deacon Dean as one of the wiser & more educated grownups around.

[arunma]

Hi Ron. I'll try to put my opinion succinctly. I disagree with most of your personal views and tastes, but I also think that your religious doctrine is quite solid. If I may offer one bit of constructive criticism (to whatever small extent that I am competent to offer such a thing to a person of my father's age), it may help to express more Christian love when you disagree with others on this forum. I'm sure that you have this love, but it can often be difficult to communicate that in the written word, especially on Internet message boards.

Anyway, let me conclude by saying that my experience with you here has been an overall positive one, and I think that you're a valuable member of our forum (not sugarcoating...I promise).

[FallingWaters]

First let me say that my name is Ron and I am not looking for compliments or shallow praise. I am aware that we most often see ourselves very differently than others see us. My purpose in this thread is to be able to find out how others see me. I wish for you to be brutally honest with me, I can take it. I promise I will not try to defend myself. I ask because I really want to know what is is that I am communicating. I can't improve if I don't know what to improve. If you think I am mean tell me I am mean. If you think I am stupid tell me that. Tell me whatever you think, don't hold back because you may hurt my feelings. I am actually very thick skinned and promise that you will not make me mad or offend me. My constant prayer is that God will get me out of the way of His truth. I desire with all my heart to be able to point people to Christ. I do not want to get in the way of that. I am serious in this request because I do not want to play games with the souls of eternity bound sinners. I am asking for your help in discerning the truth of how I am perceived. Please be honest and say what you truly think.

I thank any who respond in advance and trust that you know I am being sincere.Dear Ron,

Thankfully, I don't believe I have ever been in a scuffle with you, but I am intrigued by your question, and since I'm a pretty good judge of character, I am venturing in with my two cents.

I actually learned a lot about you by your question. (I underlined the telling parts.) Judging from some of the other comments here, you are a person who treats other people the way you are asking to be treated. You don't beat around the bush. You are honest- even brutally honest. I also briefly scanned some of your posts, and so here is my impression, based on the “it takes one to know one” premise.;)

As you admit, you are thick-skinned, so even though you would not be "mad" or "offended" if someone just whacked you upside the head with the truth, most people are not that way.

I am brutally honest with myself too, and used to be with other people as well until I learned that people don't like it. They get hurt or offended. I had to learn that:

"You can catch a lot more bears with honey than you can with vinegar."

Sometimes what I think is "truth" is really just my opinion.

I don't have to give my opinion if it's just going to hurt someone's feelings and not have any eternal good.

As I mentioned in another post today in which I addressed you personally, I am a student of personality types- Myers-Briggs to be precise. There is one dimension of personality which describes the way we "put out information". There is "T" for Thinker, who can be the brutally honest person, or there is "F" for Feeler, who is the natural born diplomat. You and I are the Thinker. There is nothing wrong with being the Thinker. We are just as important as the Feelers. God makes some of each. However, by your age and mine, we should be a little more balanced, a little more mellow, a little more able to bite our tongue when we realize there's really no sense in hurting or offending someone when the issue at stake is not that important, or when it's really just our opinion we are defending, and not The Truth, the Truth that we would DIE for, make no mistake about that!

Being diplomatic does not come easy. We (as Thinkers) have to learn how to do it. When we were young and stupid, we saw or heard "diplomats" and we accused them of being weak sissies. "Why don't they just come right out and say it the way it is," we wonder?

I learned how to be diplomatic by seeing true diplomats in action. I learned to appreciate their gift. I watched them use it.

There's a good chance you've dated a "Feeler" before. They drove you insane by the way they made decisions based how other people were going to feel about it. They didn't seem logical, and they didn't measure life by the STANDARD. They made decisions by putting themselves in the other person's shoes, not by stepping back and being objective.

In my opinion, if you work on this one thing, this will do the most to improve your relations and communications with other people.

You can try reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnagie which isn't anywhere near as manipulative as it sounds. It gives great practical hints for getting people to feel comfortable with you.

I also highly recommend that you learn more about your specific personality type. You will gain a great deal of understanding, see your flaws and your strengths, and learn to appreciate yourself, and others, too.

[Sorry these are secular tools. While they may not qualify as "holy" I don't consider them to be "unclean" either.]

If you're interested right now, there's a pretty thorough free test here:
Jung - Myers-Briggs Typology test (http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes1.htm)

My guess: ENTJ

It's my opinion that God has put it on your heart and mind to ask this question. I think He has every intention of helping you with this. I hope and pray you have good success.

[aReformedPatriot]

First let me say that my name is Ron and I am not looking for compliments or shallow praise. I am aware that we most often see ourselves very differently than others see us. My purpose in this thread is to be able to find out how others see me. I wish for you to be brutally honest with me, I can take it. I promise I will not try to defend myself. I ask because I really want to know what is is that I am communicating. I can't improve if I don't know what to improve. If you think I am mean tell me I am mean. If you think I am stupid tell me that. Tell me whatever you think, don't hold back because you may hurt my feelings. I am actually very thick skinned and promise that you will not make me mad or offend me. My constant prayer is that God will get me out of the way of His truth. I desire with all my heart to be able to point people to Christ. I do not want to get in the way of that. I am serious in this request because I do not want to play games with the souls of eternity bound sinners. I am asking for your help in discerning the truth of how I am perceived. Please be honest and say what you truly think.

I thank any who respond in advance and trust that you know I am being sincere.

Having met you personally, I shall tell you what I think. Through our many discussions I find you also to be a very intelligent and frank man--Godly too. In fact, you have no problem with being honest and it has aided me in my own life and sharpened me to be less equivocal in my speech. In some areas I think you can be overly strict and perhaps come off as cold. But I say that with the caveat that this is mostly to do with a lack of compromise on the word of God and as such, I have trouble finding fault. However, an arminian might have more of a tendancy to be closed off to you even to the point of disregarding you and your arguments. While I do not encourage you to compromise or equivocate, it may be helpful to be slightly less polemical in tone. It's really case by case because sometimes its definitely needed to drive the point home.

Love ya man. Feel free to PM what you think of me too (or anyone really as I feel this is a good idea).

[mlqurgw]

Nice to know you Ron. (that was just a pleasantry)

This post alone has impressed me. I keep trying to tell the pastor of my church that I want honest opinion so that I can change what needs change.
Before I can truly answer, let me read some of your posts again, or for the first time, whatever the case may be. We have a long weekend so I may not get the chance till Tuesday.

:)
Annette I do appreciate you taking the time to do it. Looking forward to your comments.

[mlqurgw]

I have never had the pleasure of meeting you so I cannot give you much of an opinion. But maybe after awhile here I can give you a good idea. Thank you.

[mlqurgw]

Ron, I find you intelligent but often negative, even argumentative. While we are all opinionated to some degree, I feel you sometimes sink down to nasty when you state yours.

Hey, you asked.

Matthan
You gave me exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the honesty. I can be rather nasty.

[mlqurgw]

Fist, you are anything but stupid. I find you to be a very inteeligent person. I enjoy your posts. I may not agree with you all the time, but I certainly respect you for standing up for what you believe in. :)Thank you.

[mlqurgw]

I've always found your arguments to be intelligent, even when I do disagree.I do appreciate it, thank you.

[mlqurgw]

Well, Ron, I've always had the utmost respect for you and have always enjoyed reading your posts. You seem doctrinally sound (now don't let that comment start a debate, this is not the place for it) and I'm glad to know you.And I you. I have learned from you.

[mlqurgw]

Glad to know your name is Ron-always had a hard time pronouncing your username so I just always thought of you as "mulgurg" :D

While not always agreeing I did appreciate your approach to issues and valued your response. Mean & stupid never come to mind when I saw your posts, I classed you in with Deacon Dean as one of the wiser & more educated grownups around.I am truly honored, especially coming from someone whom I highly respect.

[mlqurgw]

Hi Ron. I'll try to put my opinion succinctly. I disagree with most of your personal views and tastes, but I also think that your religious doctrine is quite solid. If I may offer one bit of constructive criticism (to whatever small extent that I am competent to offer such a thing to a person of my father's age), it may help to express more Christian love when you disagree with others on this forum. I'm sure that you have this love, but it can often be difficult to communicate that in the written word, especially on Internet message boards.

Anyway, let me conclude by saying that my experience with you here has been an overall positive one, and I think that you're a valuable member of our forum (not sugarcoating...I promise).Constructive criticism was what I was asking for and I take yours very seriously. Thanks very much.

[mlqurgw]

Dear Ron,

Thankfully, I don't believe I have ever been in a scuffle with you, but I am intrigued by your question, and since I'm a pretty good judge of character, I am venturing in with my two cents.

I actually learned a lot about you by your question. (I underlined the telling parts.) Judging from some of the other comments here, you are a person who treats other people the way you are asking to be treated. You don't beat around the bush. You are honest- even brutally honest. I also briefly scanned some of your posts, and so here is my impression, based on the “it takes one to know one” premise.;)

As you admit, you are thick-skinned, so even though you would not be "mad" or "offended" if someone just whacked you upside the head with the truth, most people are not that way.

I am brutally honest with myself too, and used to be with other people as well until I learned that people don't like it. They get hurt or offended. I had to learn that:

"You can catch a lot more bears with honey than you can with vinegar."

Sometimes what I think is "truth" is really just my opinion.

I don't have to give my opinion if it's just going to hurt someone's feelings and not have any eternal good.

As I mentioned in another post today in which I addressed you personally, I am a student of personality types- Myers-Briggs to be precise. There is one dimension of personality which describes the way we "put out information". There is "T" for Thinker, who can be the brutally honest person, or there is "F" for Feeler, who is the natural born diplomat. You and I are the Thinker. There is nothing wrong with being the Thinker. We are just as important as the Feelers. God makes some of each. However, by your age and mine, we should be a little more balanced, a little more mellow, a little more able to bite our tongue when we realize there's really no sense in hurting or offending someone when the issue at stake is not that important, or when it's really just our opinion we are defending, and not The Truth, the Truth that we would DIE for, make no mistake about that!

Being diplomatic does not come easy. We (as Thinkers) have to learn how to do it. When we were young and stupid, we saw or heard "diplomats" and we accused them of being weak sissies. "Why don't they just come right out and say it the way it is," we wonder?

I learned how to be diplomatic by seeing true diplomats in action. I learned to appreciate their gift. I watched them use it.

There's a good chance you've dated a "Feeler" before. They drove you insane by the way they made decisions based how other people were going to feel about it. They didn't seem logical, and they didn't measure life by the STANDARD. They made decisions by putting themselves in the other person's shoes, not by stepping back and being objective.

In my opinion, if you work on this one thing, this will do the most to improve your relations and communications with other people.

You can try reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnagie which isn't anywhere near as manipulative as it sounds. It gives great practical hints for getting people to feel comfortable with you.

I also highly recommend that you learn more about your specific personality type. You will gain a great deal of understanding, see your flaws and your strengths, and learn to appreciate yourself, and others, too.

[Sorry these are secular tools. While they may not qualify as "holy" I don't consider them to be "unclean" either.]

If you're interested right now, there's a pretty thorough free test here:
Jung - Myers-Briggs Typology test (http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes1.htm)

My guess: ENTJ

It's my opinion that God has put it on your heart and mind to ask this question. I think He has every intention of helping you with this. I hope and pray you have good success.Thank you for taking the time to comment and for your good wishes. I will check out that test. I expect it will tell me I am something other than what I think but I am sure that isn't unusual.

[mlqurgw]

Having met you personally, I shall tell you what I think. Through our many discussions I find you also to be a very intelligent and frank man--Godly too. In fact, you have no problem with being honest and it has aided me in my own life and sharpened me to be less equivocal in my speech. In some areas I think you can be overly strict and perhaps come off as cold. But I say that with the caveat that this is mostly to do with a lack of compromise on the word of God and as such, I have trouble finding fault. However, an arminian might have more of a tendancy to be closed off to you even to the point of disregarding you and your arguments. While I do not encourage you to compromise or equivocate, it may be helpful to be slightly less polemical in tone. It's really case by case because sometimes its definitely needed to drive the point home.

Love ya man. Feel free to PM what you think of me too (or anyone really as I feel this is a good idea). Hey, hope we can get together again soon. I'm getting hungry. That is a reference to the eat me thread for those who don't know what I am talking about. I actually ate pretty well when you were here. ;)

[rainbowpromise]

I am back Ron. I read a number of your posts and answers. Ok, let me think... build up, constructive criticism... oh wait, he said brutal. ;)

As I read your posts I realize that you have a gift that my husband hates in me. You can pick up a conversation after the fact. Most of your OPs were picking up on a topic that was already discussed. Since I do that all the time, I have no problem with that trait. ;)

As for your answers to others I found them quick and to the point rather than wordy. I like that trait! As I read I began to smirk. I see you have a sense of humor!

I gather this allows me to, in the future, point out episodes of meanness? :D If so, I am willing to Help keep Ron nice!

[ConservativeChristian97]

Well, you smell funny...

Just kidding. :) Nah, I find your desire to find absolute truth and trying to help others is a good thing. Doing it in a gentle manner can be difficult, especially when people often read too much into things on these here forums. ;)

[FallingWaters]

Thank you for taking the time to comment and for your good wishes. I will check out that test. I expect it will tell me I am something other than what I think but I am sure that isn't unusual.You didn't tell me if I had gotten any of it right or not. Or what you think about my suggestions.

BTW: the description should be at least 85% correct. When you get your results, I will tell you what I guessed.

[mlqurgw]

You didn't tell me if I had gotten any of it right or not. Or what you think about my suggestions.

BTW: the description should be at least 85% correct. When you get your results, I will tell you what I guessed. I am sorry. I promised that I wouldn't defend myself and it is isn't easy to respond without appearing to be defending. Still I will try to answer your request. Let me go back an re-read it again so it will be fesh im my mind.

[mlqurgw]

Well, you smell funny...

Just kidding. :) Nah, I find your desire to find absolute truth and trying to help others is a good thing. Doing it in a gentle manner can be difficult, especially when people often read too much into things on these here forums. ;)
How can I smell funny? I take a bath at least once every month or so whether I need it or not. Must be the cheap cologne. :D
Thank you for your kind words.

[mlqurgw]

I am back Ron. I read a number of your posts and answers. Ok, let me think... build up, constructive criticism... oh wait, he said brutal. ;)

As I read your posts I realize that you have a gift that my husband hates in me. You can pick up a conversation after the fact. Most of your OPs were picking up on a topic that was already discussed. Since I do that all the time, I have no problem with that trait. ;)

As for your answers to others I found them quick and to the point rather than wordy. I like that trait! As I read I began to smirk. I see you have a sense of humor!

I gather this allows me to, in the future, point out episodes of meanness? :D If so, I am willing to Help keep Ron nice!
I love the sign. Maybe we could start a foundation and do fund raisers and such. It will take an army to get the job done so we will have to do recruiting. Of course all of the money will go to me and all you folks will be volunteers. ;) :cool: In seriousness, you or anyone else can feel free to point out my meanness anytime.

[mlqurgw]

Does anyone know where I can get a size 40 hat? My head seems to be getting larger. I do appreciate all the positive comments. I really appreciate the criticism.

[Jim1927]

http://www.webworksllc.com/i_like_you.swf

Cheers,

Jim

[mlqurgw]

You didn't tell me if I had gotten any of it right or not. Or what you think about my suggestions.

BTW: the description should be at least 85% correct. When you get your results, I will tell you what I guessed.
Here are my results:
Your Type is
ESTPExtrovertedSensingThinkingPerceivingStrength of the preferences % 111222
ESTP type description by D.Keirsey (http://keirsey.com/personality/spet.html)
ESTP type description by J. Butt (http://typelogic.com/estp.html)



Qualitative analysis of your type formula
You are:

slightly expressed extrovert
slightly expressed sensing personality
slightly expressed thinking personality
slightly expressed perceiving personality

Your are correct I do tend to be brutally honest but have learned to hold my tongue. I am certainly no diplomat but I do consider the fellings of the other person. Of course sometimes I think they need their feleings hurt. I will get the book you mentioned as it as been recommended to me before.

[mlqurgw]

http://www.webworksllc.com/i_like_you.swf

Cheers,

Jim
And you said it like you really mean it to. ;) :D

[BBAS 64]

Good Day, Ron

I have always enjoyed reading your posts. You bring very straight forward answers and insights to any issue which you share your views.

I have learned much from the time you have spent here.

In Him,

Bill

[mlqurgw]

Good Day, Ron

I have always enjoyed reading your posts. You bring very straight forward answers and insights to any issue which you share your views.

I have learned much from the time you have spent here.

In Him,

Bill
Thank you very much. What would you change if you could?

[BBAS 64]

Thank you very much. What would you change if you could?

Good Day, Ron

Not a thing....

I am happy with you being who you are :thumbsup:

Bill

[Jim1927]

To thine own self be true, within the realm of Christocentricity.

You might consider changing your name to one I can actually spell without checking it twice, no thrice....:)

Cheers,

Jim

[mlqurgw]

To thine own self be true, within the realm of Christocentricity.

You might consider changing your name to one I can actually spell without checking it twice, no thrice....:)

Cheers,

JimYou have to have the secret code to be able to pronounce my name. Of course to have that you have to belong to the secret society that I will not name because it is secret. It is so secret no one knows about and I am the only member. ;) :D :cool:

[Erinwilcox]

I must not have the secret code--I always thought of you as "Malquirk" :D

[Jim1927]

Aha,,exclusivity.. a separatist. Now we are wising up to you......

There was a laddie at college named Breeze,
Weighed down with BA's and BD's,
Said the doctor, "It's plain,"
"You are killing yourself by degrees."

Cheers, mate,

Jim

[mlqurgw]

I must not have the secret code--I always thought of you as "Malquirk" :D
I love it. It describes me so well.

[RED that's ME]

I haven't had a problem with any of your posts that I can think of. You have always been a nice member here.http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/ThenThereWasRED/Mod stuff/smilies and icons/girl_smile.gif

/me gives Mr. Ron a cookie.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/ThenThereWasRED/Mod stuff/smilies and icons/cookie.gif

[FallingWaters]

Here are my results:
Your Type is
ESTPExtrovertedSensingThinkingPerceivingStrength of the preferences % 111222
ESTP type description by D.Keirsey (http://keirsey.com/personality/spet.html)
ESTP type description by J. Butt (http://typelogic.com/estp.html)



Qualitative analysis of your type formula
You are:
slightly expressed extrovert
slightly expressed sensing personality
slightly expressed thinking personality
slightly expressed perceiving personality
Your are correct I do tend to be brutally honest but have learned to hold my tongue. I am certainly no diplomat but I do consider the fellings of the other person. Of course sometimes I think they need their feleings hurt. I will get the book you mentioned as it as been recommended to me before.I thought you were an ENTJ or perhaps an ESTJ.

[RED that's ME]

/me being a nosy redhead and wondering how you came up with your SN. http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/redgifs/smilies/th_cowgirl.gif

[~InHisHands~]

Ron, I find you intelligent but often negative, even argumentative. While we are all opinionated to some degree, I feel you sometimes sink down to nasty when you state yours.

Hey, you asked.

Matthan
What Matthan said. I will also add that from what I've seen you often give the appearance of knowing all and being totally closed off to the idea that you may be wrong and don't need to learn anymore. You give the appearance that anyone who isn't of the same doctrinal beliefs that they are no brother of yours and that they serve another god. Sorry, but to me that is just majorly rude. I pray that the Lord will open you up more inside. If he can get through that "thick skin" to the heart that lies within you. Much Love. :hug:

[FallingWaters]

What Matthan said. I will also add that from what I've seen you often give the appearance of knowing all and being totally closed off to the idea that you may be wrong and don't need to learn anymore. You give the appearance that anyone who isn't of the same doctrinal beliefs that they are no brother of yours and that they serve another god. Sorry, but to me that is just majorly rude. I pray that the Lord will open you up more inside. If he can get through that "thick skin" to the heart that lies within you. Much Love. :hug:This is the reason I think you are a "J" and not a "P".

"Js" are very black & white, all or nothing.

[mlqurgw]

This is the reason I think you are a "J" and not a "P".

"Js" are very black & white, all or nothing.I hope a "j" doesn't mean jerk. ;)

[mlqurgw]

What Matthan said. I will also add that from what I've seen you often give the appearance of knowing all and being totally closed off to the idea that you may be wrong and don't need to learn anymore. You give the appearance that anyone who isn't of the same doctrinal beliefs that they are no brother of yours and that they serve another god. Sorry, but to me that is just majorly rude. I pray that the Lord will open you up more inside. If he can get through that "thick skin" to the heart that lies within you. Much Love. :hug:
Brutally honest. Thank you. I actually was hoping that someone would be as candid. I will work on the appearance of being a know it all and that I am unwilling to learn. The rest is true though it is a bit more complicated than just disagreement in doctrine.

[FallingWaters]

I hope a "j" doesn't mean jerk. ;)LOL! Sometimes it can!

[DeaconDean]

First let me say that my name is Ron and I am not looking for compliments or shallow praise. I am aware that we most often see ourselves very differently than others see us. My purpose in this thread is to be able to find out how others see me. I wish for you to be brutally honest with me, I can take it. I promise I will not try to defend myself. I ask because I really want to know what is is that I am communicating. I can't improve if I don't know what to improve. If you think I am mean tell me I am mean. If you think I am stupid tell me that. Tell me whatever you think, don't hold back because you may hurt my feelings. I am actually very thick skinned and promise that you will not make me mad or offend me. My constant prayer is that God will get me out of the way of His truth. I desire with all my heart to be able to point people to Christ. I do not want to get in the way of that. I am serious in this request because I do not want to play games with the souls of eternity bound sinners. I am asking for your help in discerning the truth of how I am perceived. Please be honest and say what you truly think.

I thank any who respond in advance and trust that you know I am being sincere.

Perhaps my opinion would be a bit one-sided, but other than our discussion about altar calls, and the comment about me being kinda like Charles Finny, I have no problems with you. Sometimes you can be brutally honest. Unlike me, I sometimes go off hot-headed. One person said I was "highly, highly sensitive." Yes I can be. But when I see age old Baptist doctrines being attacked, I often jump in "feet-first." I have no problem with you friend. I come to depend on your posts as you have wisdom I can learn from. Our debate with one member on this forum about "God's Foreknowledge" shows this to be true. I hope you stick around. And you have my permission to tell me when I am out-of-line. I do hope God blesses your ministry and you personally.

God Bless

Till all are one.

[mlqurgw]

Perhaps my opinion would be a bit one-sided, but other than our discussion about altar calls, and the comment about me being kinda like Charles Finny, I have no problems with you. Sometimes you can be brutally honest. Unlike me, I sometimes go off hot-headed. One person said I was "highly, highly sensitive." Yes I can be. But when I see age old Baptist doctrines being attacked, I often jump in "feet-first." I have no problem with you friend. I come to depend on your posts as you have wisdom I can learn from. Our debate with one member on this forum about "God's Foreknowledge" shows this to be true. I hope you stick around. And you have my permission to tell me when I am out-of-line. I do hope God blesses your ministry and you personally.

God Bless

Till all are one.I honestly don't recall saying you were like Finney. It must have been a while back in that thread about alter calls. I apologize if I offended you. If I had known you then as I do now I would never have said it. I was greatly honored to be mentioned in the same sentence with you much less the same catagory as you. I believe you and I compliment each other. Your scholarship and my bite seem to fit. God bless you my brother and friend.

[DeaconDean]

I honestly don't recall saying you were like Finney. It must have been a while back in that thread about alter calls. I apologize if I offended you. If I had known you then as I do now I would never have said it. I was greatly honored to be mentioned in the same sentence with you much less the same catagory as you. I believe you and I compliment each other. Your scholarship and my bite seem to fit. God bless you my brother and friend.

There is no offense taken on my part. And yes, that "Finnyism" remark was about a year ago, and to tell you the truth, I didn't think much of it then. I honestly think our (yours and mine) worse side is the fact that I am highly sensitive, and you are to a degree brutally honest. It is like that line I heard in a movie once, "As long as there is one person, who will stand up for the truth, there will be no peace." Not on the forums, not in the world. After all:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." -Matt. 10:34

I continue to grow and learn from you, keep up the good work in His name.

I heard a sermon once based on:

"So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do." -Lk. 17:10

No matter what we do, no matter how many we lead to the Lord. If we still at the end of the day consider ourselves "unprofitable servants," then the blessings from above will rain down on us because we have done no more than what is required of us. We have not gone above and beyond the call of duty. I am that "unprofitable servant." I do hope and pray that God would bless your ministry. And contrary to popular thought, you've taught me a lot.

God Bless

Till all are one.

[JPPT1974]

First let me say that my name is Ron and I am not looking for compliments or shallow praise. I am aware that we most often see ourselves very differently than others see us. My purpose in this thread is to be able to find out how others see me. I wish for you to be brutally honest with me, I can take it. I promise I will not try to defend myself. I ask because I really want to know what is is that I am communicating. I can't improve if I don't know what to improve. If you think I am mean tell me I am mean. If you think I am stupid tell me that. Tell me whatever you think, don't hold back because you may hurt my feelings. I am actually very thick skinned and promise that you will not make me mad or offend me. My constant prayer is that God will get me out of the way of His truth. I desire with all my heart to be able to point people to Christ. I do not want to get in the way of that. I am serious in this request because I do not want to play games with the souls of eternity bound sinners. I am asking for your help in discerning the truth of how I am perceived. Please be honest and say what you truly think.

I thank any who respond in advance and trust that you know I am being sincere.


Dear Ron
I am first of all, say that I shouldn't had yelled at you when you put in an pm and told me off.
I am writing you this not to be unkind or impolite but say it in a Christlike manner but also feel that I am speaking for everybody on this board on their behalf.
But I do have thin skin too and really will get to people who offend me and the way you did that was really un-Christlike of you.
You are a grown man and that you really need to ask God to forgive you of all that you have done to people on this board.
Telling them not to post that often as well as they do have the right ot post. You are really being unfair and you need to listen more than you do talk.
I am being sincere and hope that you got my pm. And hopefully others will forgive you of really what you said and did.
Because you rubbed some feathers and were being unkind. I do the same thing but at least I apologize for it. And maybe you should do the same.
Take care and pm me if you have any questions.
In Christ, JPPT1974 aka Shelby!

[mlqurgw]

Dear Ron
I am first of all, say that I shouldn't had yelled at you when you put in an pm and told me off.
I am writing you this not to be unkind or impolite but say it in a Christlike manner but also feel that I am speaking for everybody on this board on their behalf.
But I do have thin skin too and really will get to people who offend me and the way you did that was really un-Christlike of you.
You are a grown man and that you really need to ask God to forgive you of all that you have done to people on this board.
Telling them not to post that often as well as they do have the right ot post. You are really being unfair and you need to listen more than you do talk.
I am being sincere and hope that you got my pm. And hopefully others will forgive you of really what you said and did.
Because you rubbed some feathers and were being unkind. I do the same thing but at least I apologize for it. And maybe you should do the same.
Take care and pm me if you have any questions.
In Christ, JPPT1974 aka Shelby!No I didn't get your PM and wonder why you have made this public. I did wonder why I never received a response from you.

[Sword-In-Hand]

Sorry to join this so late. So here is my honest opinion. And I always call you Merle-Glow.:)

I kinda echo what LunaticRed said. But I'm not sure it's a "dig" against you, since I feel the same way about the majority of Calvinists I've ever met. I see more conceit than humility, when it comes to salvation, and you seem to want to make people feel less intelligent for not believing in Calvinism. But that really doesn't bother me since I don't consider salvation an intellectual issue. And I've seen much worse, and more blatant Calvinists in my day. You are by far, not the worst in any way.

My advice would be to tone down the attitude that there's no room in your posts for your own error. We're all wrong about something lol and the quicker we realize that the better we are.

Love ya, my brother, and don't take my words to be any more than what you asked for. It takes a brave man to step up to the firing line like you've done.

[HypoTypoSis]

we most often see ourselves very differently than others see us.

From here all anyone can see of you is what you write so if you want to see how others see you take a critical look at your own words.

I really want to know what is is that I am communicating.

Again, re-read my last comment.

I can't improve if I don't know what to improve.

By your profile you are 52. By now that should be self evident. 50 and 60 year old psychologists 40 years ago were druggy college students seeking to "know thyself" and it is established fact that psychologists are second only to psychiatrists in professional suicide rates and a goodly percentage enter the profession through the back door in trying to straighten their own problems out. Physician Heal Thyself. They can't and if they can't what gives them the right to think they can cure other people? And how does that compare to asking the non-professional lay person for help? Better to compare with our only real and true example and live up to Him, Jesus!

If you think I am mean tell me I am mean.

Mean? No. Obstinate at times, perhaps; but that's, apparently, due to your defense of what you have spent a lifetime defending believing it to be true. Take a closer read of the words whom the Jews refer to as the second Moses' in my sig below and mull it over a bit.

Tell me whatever you think, don't hold back because you may hurt my feelings.

I just did.

I do not want to play games with the souls of eternity bound sinners.

Salvation is sacrosanct. All else is up for grabs. So as long as you see that light at the end of the tunnel keep an open mind to everything else. It gets harder to do with the passage of time but flexibility in thinking is essential if we don't want to get caught living in the past. And that can deceive ourselves as well as others and that is exactly what you say you don't want to do. When people play games people get hurt. Life is not a game.

Please be honest and say what you truly think.

I generally don't respond to these sorts of things as they are too reminiscent of a bunch of back slapping Emmie Awards actors and pride is always at the forefront of such and we know the end result of such.

Enough of this pity party!. Time to go back to work, wouldn't you agree?

[Sword-In-Hand]

Enough of this pity party!. Time to go back to work, wouldn't you agree?

Do you get paid to do this to EVERY thread? I'll probably get in trouble for this, but hey it won't be the first time. Maybe we should all make posts that deal with the OP or stay out of the thread. Just a thought that I think is a pretty good one. Gimme the come back, I know you will.:thumbsup:

[HypoTypoSis]

I'll probably get in trouble for this, but hey it won't be the first time. Maybe we should all make posts that deal with the OP
Tell me whatever you think, don't hold back
Surely, that does not require your side chatter nor permission. The fact that you pridefully display an obvious track record for the disregard of rules, authority and respect further does not help your position. And, yes, my response was directly on target as it was a sincere response to the OP's Opening Post; perhaps you should try it yourself sometime by staying on track. :cool:

[RED that's ME]

:( Sometimes it would do better to handle some of the negativity posted here by private PMs. It seems the worse it brought out instead at times.
Charity goes a long ways.

1 Peter 3:8-9

Finally, all of you be of one mind, having compassion for one another; http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/redgifs/smilies/sad0126-1.gif love as brothers, be tenderhearted, be courteous; http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/ThenThereWasRED/Smilies/th_cgiving.gif

9 not returning evil for evil or reviling for reviling, http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/ThenThereWasRED/Smilies/th_fight.gifbut on the contrary blessing, knowing that you were called to this, that you may inherit a blessing. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/ThenThereWasRED/Mod%20stuff/CCF%20Smilies/yessmilie.gif



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[Sword-In-Hand]

Surely, that does not require your side chatter nor permission. The fact that you pridefully display an obvious track record for the disregard of rules, authority and respect further does not help your position. And, yes, my response was directly on target as it was a sincere response to the OP's Opening Post; perhaps you should try it yourself sometime by staying on track. :cool:

I knew you wouldn't disappoint me.:clap:

[mlqurgw]

Enough of this pity party!. Time to go back to work, wouldn't you agree?
Thank you for your comments. My age has taught me that what I think of myself is very often different than how others perceive me. Hence my OP. To be sure I am satisfied and comfortable with who I am. My desire was to know if I was actually communicating as I thought I was and by the responses I belive I am. I think I made it clear that I wasn't looking for praise, I really don't need it, as I am confident in what I believe and why. As to this being a pity party I believe you have mistaken me for someone else. Pity is the last thing I need.

[mlqurgw]

Sorry to join this so late. So here is my honest opinion. And I always call you Merle-Glow.:)

I kinda echo what LunaticRed said. But I'm not sure it's a "dig" against you, since I feel the same way about the majority of Calvinists I've ever met. I see more conceit than humility, when it comes to salvation, and you seem to want to make people feel less intelligent for not believing in Calvinism. But that really doesn't bother me since I don't consider salvation an intellectual issue. And I've seen much worse, and more blatant Calvinists in my day. You are by far, not the worst in any way.

My advice would be to tone down the attitude that there's no room in your posts for your own error. We're all wrong about something lol and the quicker we realize that the better we are.

Love ya, my brother, and don't take my words to be any more than what you asked for. It takes a brave man to step up to the firing line like you've done.
Thank you for taking the time. Pride and arrogance are personal faults that I do recognize though they cannot be blamed on Calvinism. I do take your comments in the spirit they are intended and am by no means offended. Of course the only mistake that I ever made was when I thought I made one. ;) :D :D :P

[HypoTypoSis]

To be sure I am satisfied and comfortable with who I am. .
If you are satisified and comfortable with who you are you are assured in your beliefs and actions thus there's no need to worry about what others think of you hence pride is the only motive left to explain the reasoning for all the self-serving attention ala Emmy Awards backslapping (just look at several of the verifying responses for evidentiary proof) which is pitiful for sure so, yes, now that, hopefully, the pity party is over everyone can turn back to bible study ala 'work'. Cmon, get real, you're a grown man, aged even, going around asking the world what it thinks of you! Sheesh!

[mlqurgw]

If you are satisified and comfortable with who you are you are assured in your beliefs and actions thus there's no need to worry about what others think of you hence pride is the only motive left to explain the reasoning for all the self-serving attention ala Emmy Awards backslapping (just look at several of the verifying responses for evidentiary proof) which is pitiful for sure so, yes, now that, hopefully, the pity party is over everyone can turn back to bible study ala 'work'. Cmon, get real, you're a grown man, aged even, going around asking the world what it thinks of you! Sheesh!
You may read into my comments and questions whatever you like, as I am sure you will. The backslapping wasn't what I was asking for and stated clearly that fact in my OP. Asking for constructive criticism is now a pariah? If you think I am a hypocrite say it palinly don't beat around the bush. Since I promised that I wouldn't defend myself I will refrain from saying what I actally thnk of your analysis of me Dr. Hypo.

[HypoTypoSis]

The backslapping wasn't what I was asking for and stated clearly that fact in my OP.
It is not the OP's intents that are in question, only the results.

Since I promised that I wouldn't defend myself
No need to defend the OP as the intent is not questioned, only the results.

I will refrain from saying what I actally thnk of your analysis
Why bother asking for critical analysis if all that is sought is an implied positive affirmation?


fwiw,
The results of the actor's endeavors are the movies; the results of the backslapping are the Emmy Awards.

Does this clear things up or do you feel a need to take a bow?

Are these sorts of threads even allowable as they border closely on those that ask professional help and advice (on home, personal, relationships and suicide issues) and there are no licensed professional mental health professionals qualified to practice on the internet thus those asking for such are instructed in the rules instead to seek professional help?

[McWilliams]

We dont change to accomodate the preferences of others!
We change to accomodate the scriptures to be sound doctrinally, stay the course, present the gospel in truth without error! In doing that there are others that will hate you! That is not your problem!
They also hated Christ! They killed HIm, the very Son of God, sent to offer them eternal life!
Who and what does He want you to be and to think?
Go there!!

Ron, did one of the posters call you 'aged'? LOL,,Would love to be as aged as you are!!
God bless!

[HypoTypoSis]

We dont change to accomodate the preferences of others!
We change to accomodate the scriptures to be sound doctrinally, stay the course, present the gospel in truth without error! In doing that there are others that will hate you! That is not your problem!
They also hated Christ! They killed HIm, the very Son of God, sent to offer them eternal life!
Who and what does He want you to be and to think?
Go there!!

WELL SAID! :clap:

Ron, did one of the posters call you 'aged'? LOL,,Would love to be as aged as you are!!

That poster is between the both of you! :thumbsup:

God bless!

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

[JPPT1974]

No I didn't get your PM and wonder why you have made this public. I did wonder why I never received a response from you.

I apologized about my attitude towards you
As well as made mentioned that you really need
To take a timeout and watch what you say to
Other people because you have rubbed feathers with
Others in the past, myself included. If you want to
Talk to me more, pm me. But other than that if you want
To criticize me, then don't bother pm me because I will post as long as I can.
If you are really a Christian, you wouldn't have a bad attitude and hope you don't my friend.

[FallingWaters]

We dont change to accomodate the preferences of others!
We change to accomodate the scriptures to be sound doctrinally, stay the course, present the gospel in truth without error! In doing that there are others that will hate you! That is not your problem!
They also hated Christ! They killed HIm, the very Son of God, sent to offer them eternal life!
Who and what does He want you to be and to think?
Go there!!

Ron, did one of the posters call you 'aged'? LOL,,Would love to be as aged as you are!!
God bless!I don't understand how people can be offended at this:
"...My constant prayer is that God will get me out of the way of His truth. I desire with all my heart to be able to point people to Christ. I do not want to get in the way of that. I am serious in this request because I do not want to play games with the souls of eternity bound sinners...."

Here is a person who wants to be a more winsome soul-winner, asking his brothers and sisters in Christ if they see any sin in his life that he doesn't see, so that he can deal with it before God, and become more like Jesus.

How people can twist that all up is beyond me. Where is your Christian love?

[McWilliams]

Oh my, You must have totally misunderstood my meaning and my intent!
I respect Ron just as he is, eager to serve the Lord as he knows how and to continue to learn of Him!
I think he knows that too!
Blessings Ron! I'm sure you know my meaning had no criticism in it! It was a declaration of who we are in Christ!
Prayers for you who didnt understand that!

[HypoTypoSis]

asking ............... if they see any sin in his life that he doesn't see, so that he can deal with it before God,

I am serious in this request because I do not want to play games with the souls of eternity bound sinners...."

I will refrain from saying what I actally thnk of your analysis

If you think I am a hypocrite say it palinly don't beat around the bush.

When one's own words convict there is no need for the accusations of others to be voiced.

[FallingWaters]

Oh my, You must have totally misunderstood my meaning and my intent!
I respect Ron just as he is, eager to serve the Lord as he knows how and to continue to learn of Him!
I think he knows that too!
Blessings Ron! I'm sure you know my meaning had no criticism in it! It was a declaration of who we are in Christ!
Prayers for you who didnt understand that!I did misunderstand. Would you please forgive me?

[McWilliams]

Absolutely and without problem!
I have needed the same so many times!

God bless you specially!
It is always by continued dialogue in love that we gain understanding! :thumbsup:

[JPPT1974]

I did misunderstand. Would you please forgive me?

Yeah as even though I don't agree
With Ron sometimes, maybe I do need to
Cut the guy some slack and lay off on him
As he does mean well!