Pray for Falwell....

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,

We should pray that the upcoming debate Liberty, will be used by God to bring that whole population back to the foundations of "traditional evangelical Christianity".


From His sermon: http://sermons.trbc.org/20010701.html

THE GENEVA CHURCH WAS A TEACHING CHURCH.
The church in Geneva: John Calvin. In the sixteenth century, John Calvin attempted to create a model Christian city in Geneva and a model Christian church in contrast to the corrupt church and city of Rome at that period in history. While I am not a five-point Calvinist, I salute the great impact that Calvin made on the world. With Calvin’s high view of the sovereignty of God, his great commitment to word-for-word inerrancy of Scripture, his understanding of the total depravity of man, and his unashamed support for the blood atonement of Jesus Christ; Calvin’s anointed scholarship produced men who went around the world teaching the Reformed view of theology that has become the foundation of Presbyterianism and traditional evangelical Christianity.
Truly, the Geneva church was a church that influenced the world theologically. I want Thomas Road Baptist Church to influence the world, both theologically and experientially through education. This is the rationale for the existence of all our schools and Liberty University.

Stand up Mr. Falwell and be counted and hold all your staff to the foundations on which you should be based.

You have let to much that is with out foundation happen there at Liberty, get back to what you rightly call the traditional foundations.

:prayer:

Peace to u,

Bill

[Matthan]

Gee, then Calvin must have been a second massiah or something, right? Oh my, how could we be so blind.....

[GordonSlocum]

Good Day,

We should pray that the upcoming debate Liberty, will be used by God to bring that whole population back to the foundations of "traditional evangelical Christianity".


From His sermon: http://sermons.trbc.org/20010701.html



Stand up Mr. Falwell and be counted and hold all your staff to the foundations on which you should be based.

You have let to much that is with out foundation happen there at Liberty, get back to what you rightly call the traditional foundations.

:prayer:

Peace to u,

Bill

God Bless Jerry Farwell.

I am so glad None Fatalist have a champion like Dr. Jerry and 1000 ofr other evangelicals who are soul winners and their Churches are growing leaps and bounds.

Where there is truth and salvation and redemption and forgiveness and all the Graces of God you will find leaches from all cults looking to knock off and steal for their non-evangelistic movements.

Whether or not TULIPism is a leach to you or not is for you to decide to me it is. They are opportunistic in looking to infiltrate movements to booster their number. Evangelism is not their strong suit. It never has been and never will be.

Any church that abandons Missions, Evangelism, Outreach, dies. The vast majority of growing Churches in the world are not TULIP churches.

For every one TULIP church that comes close to being a soul winning church I will stack up 100 against it.

TULIP churches grow inward not outward. Proselytizing is their method of growing. The overwhelming members in TULIP churches there from family tradition or from being proselytized.

None Tulip Baptist and the Charismatic movement are responsible for reaching the masses not the TULIP Troops gathered in their churches constantly debating their doctrine.

[BBAS 64]

Gee, then Calvin must have been a second massiah or something, right? Oh my, how could we be so blind.....


Good Day, Matthan

You got that idea from his sermon ... where??:scratch:

Unless of course you just dreamed it up, for the sake of straw:thumbsup:

Peace to u,

Bill

[BBAS 64]

God Bless Jerry Farwell.

I am so glad None Fatalist have a champion like Dr. Jerry and 1000 ofr other evangelicals who are soul winners and their Churches are growing leaps and bounds.

Where there is truth and salvation and redemption and forgiveness and all the Graces of God you will find leaches from all cults looking to knock off and steal for their non-evangelistic movements.

Whether or not TULIPism is a leach to you or not is for you to decide to me it is. They are opportunistic in looking to infiltrate movements to booster their number. Evangelism is not their strong suit. It never has been and never will be.

Any church that abandons Missions, Evangelism, Outreach, dies. The vast majority of growing Churches in the world are not TULIP churches.

For every one TULIP church that comes close to being a soul winning church I will stack up 100 against it.

TULIP churches grow inward not outward. Proselytizing is their method of growing. The overwhelming members in TULIP churches there from family tradition or from being proselytized.

None Tulip Baptist and the Charismatic movement are responsible for reaching the masses not the TULIP Troops gathered in their churches constantly debating their doctrine.

Good Day, Gordon

It is dis-hearting to see you continue to repeat the same un-historical, broad brushed approach to the issue

" Evangelism is not their strong suit. It never has been and never will be"

Falwell notes:

THE METROPOLITAN CHURCH WAS A TEACHING CHURCH.
Metropolitan Baptist Tabernacle. Under pastor Charles Spurgeon, this 19th century London church was, amazingly, a prototype of Thomas Road Baptist Church.
This church had a Bible college, home missions outreach and a foreign missions outreach. And, because it was strategically located in London, capital city of the British Empire, this church had a mighty impact on the English government; and thus influenced the world. Spurgeon’s books, sermons and writings became the basis for the great ministry he has provided for the 20th century church worldwide.

So to say it has never been is just plain bogus.

Why you repeat it is only caused by two things.

You do not know the facts.
Or you are willingly trying to mislead people.

I pray that is was the former, as I have pointed that out to you at least 3 times on this fora. in the last week. So to continue to do so, may lead me to think the later is why you make such statements.


Peace to u,

Bill

[mlqurgw]

His dihonesty has been pointed out by me also but has been ignored. One eventually must come to the conclusion that his straw man building is willful dishonesty. I wonder how his theology deals with willful sin.

[GordonSlocum]

Good Day, Gordon

It is dis-hearting to see you continue to repeat the same un-historical, broad brushed approach to the issue

" Evangelism is not their strong suit. It never has been and never will be"

Falwell notes:

THE METROPOLITAN CHURCH WAS A TEACHING CHURCH.
Metropolitan Baptist Tabernacle. Under pastor Charles Spurgeon, this 19th century London church was, amazingly, a prototype of Thomas Road Baptist Church.
This church had a Bible college, home missions outreach and a foreign missions outreach. And, because it was strategically located in London, capital city of the British Empire, this church had a mighty impact on the English government; and thus influenced the world. Spurgeon’s books, sermons and writings became the basis for the great ministry he has provided for the 20th century church worldwide.

So to say it has never been is just plain bogus.

Why you repeat it is only caused by two things.

You do not know the facts.
Or you are willingly trying to mislead people.

I pray that is was the former, as I have pointed that out to you at least 3 times on this fora. in the last week. So to continue to do so, may lead me to think the later is why you make such statements.


Peace to u,

Bill

Sorry you get your feeling hurt. You focus on only the thing you want to emphasize.

Where is England Today? Europe To day?

You as well as everyone else know that Churches that are openly teaching The Tulip are not growing.

Churches that don't and focus on evangelism are growing.

Students go to LU not to learn about the TULIP - they are Christians men and women most young form all walks of life who as a vast majority come form homes, churches who do not teach TULIP, to the contrary they teach anti-Tulip.

This my dear friend in my point.

I think that everyone saved on the face of the earth should read all literature by all theologians.

Now lets get down to the nitty gritty.

This debate would not take place if it were not for none Calvinistic Believers who have supported and continue to support TRBC and LU. You know that and I know that.

It takes Evangelical soul winning churches like TRBC for TULIP Troops to have a place to debate.

The masses are not TULIP believers.

[mlqurgw]

Sorry you get your feeling hurt. You focus on only the thing you want to emphasize.

Where is England Today? Europe To day?

You as well as everyone else know that Churches that are openly teaching The Tulip are not growing.

Churches that don't and focus on evangelism are growing.

Students go to LU not to learn about the TULIP - they are Christians men and women most young form all walks of life who as a vast majority come form homes, churches who do not teach TULIP, to the contrary they teach anti-Tulip.

This my dear friend in my point.

I think that everyone saved on the face of the earth should read all literature by all theologians.

Now lets get down to the nitty gritty.

This debate would not take place if it were not for none Calvinistic Believers who have supported and continue to support TRBC and LU. You know that and I know that.

It takes Evangelical soul winning churches like TRBC for TULIP Troops to have a place to debate.

The masses are not TULIP believers.So truth is determined by mass appeal?

[mlqurgw]

Sorry you get your feeling hurt. You focus on only the thing you want to emphasize.

Where is England Today? Europe To day?

You as well as everyone else know that Churches that are openly teaching The Tulip are not growing.

Churches that don't and focus on evangelism are growing.

Students go to LU not to learn about the TULIP - they are Christians men and women most young form all walks of life who as a vast majority come form homes, churches who do not teach TULIP, to the contrary they teach anti-Tulip.

This my dear friend in my point.

I think that everyone saved on the face of the earth should read all literature by all theologians.

Now lets get down to the nitty gritty.

This debate would not take place if it were not for none Calvinistic Believers who have supported and continue to support TRBC and LU. You know that and I know that.

It takes Evangelical soul winning churches like TRBC for TULIP Troops to have a place to debate.

The masses are not TULIP believers.
You might want to check your statistics again, unless of course you are basing your conclusion on your experience or just an idea pulled out of the air. Many thousands are seeking the truth of God from those who preach the Doctrines of Grace. God is moving to bring His elect to Himself in a mighty way. If it weren't so you wouldn't be so adamant against it.

[JPPT1974]

Sadly I hat to say this but he is turning
Into another Pat Robertson
Praying for him though!

[BBAS 64]

Sorry you get your feeling hurt. You focus on only the thing you want to emphasize.

Where is England Today? Europe To day?

You as well as everyone else know that Churches that are openly teaching The Tulip are not growing.

Churches that don't and focus on evangelism are growing.

Students go to LU not to learn about the TULIP - they are Christians men and women most young form all walks of life who as a vast majority come form homes, churches who do not teach TULIP, to the contrary they teach anti-Tulip.

This my dear friend in my point.

I think that everyone saved on the face of the earth should read all literature by all theologians.

Now lets get down to the nitty gritty.

This debate would not take place if it were not for none Calvinistic Believers who have supported and continue to support TRBC and LU. You know that and I know that.

It takes Evangelical soul winning churches like TRBC for TULIP Troops to have a place to debate.

The masses are not TULIP believers.

Good day, Gordon

My feeling are not hurt, but thanks for your concern. I just do not think it is usefull to make broad brushed claims, that are not based on the fects. It is un-christian and we should debate issues with a desire to be accurate in our aruguments.

So Islam is growing around the world by leaps and bounds, your requirements to detrime truth have been met.

Your apeal to the masses, is useless.


The point of the matter you insist that Calvinism is not
Evangelism centered nor have they ever been.

The simple facts of history refute you.

When the Evangelical church leave their foundations, they will at some point become someting with out foundations.

I just hope the Falwell, will get him self back to the foundations he appealed to in this sermon, because he was and is correct.

There woukld have been no debate in the early church if it was not for the Gnostic, so what is you point??

Peace to u,

Bill

[GordonSlocum]

Sadly I hat to say this but he is turning
Into another Pat Robertson
Praying for him though!
I don't think so. Bless Pat's heart but we are not of the same cut.

He is a good man and at least He has a passion for the lost - can't necessarly say that fot the TULIP Troops or Fatalist Folk.

[JustinWilliams]

Students go to LU not to learn about the TULIP - they are Christians men and women most young form all walks of life who as a vast majority come form homes, churches who do not teach TULIP, to the contrary they teach anti-Tulip.






I am a recent graduate of Liberty University (May '06) and I thought I would add a few words.

First Liberty is a liberal arts university that seeks to educate young men and women from various backgrounds (Protestant, Catholic, and even Muslims...yes there are Muslim students at LU). Liberty does not have an official view concerning Calvinism/Arminianism. In actuallity all students are required to take two survey courses in theology in which they look at BOTH sides of the Calvinism/Arminianism view and allowed to make informed decisions on their own.

Second, though Dr. Falwell is our founder and Chancellor he does not necessarily represent the student bodies' views.

From personal experience there are several Reformed students that attend Liberty as well as students who come from backgrounds where such things as Calvinism are not taught. BUT the ultimate goal of Liberty is to be Christ centered people who go forth into whatever vocation they may pursue and be a light for Christ to the world.

Just thought I'd add an insider's viewpoint.

Blessings,

Justin

[Matthan]

I am a recent graduate of Liberty University (May '06) and I thought I would add a few words.

First Liberty is a liberal arts university that seeks to educate young men and women from various backgrounds (Protestant, Catholic, and even Muslims...yes there are Muslim students at LU). Liberty does not have an official view concerning Calvinism/Arminianism. In actuallity all students are required to take two survey courses in theology in which they look at BOTH sides of the Calvinism/Arminianism view and allowed to make informed decisions on their own.

Second, though Dr. Falwell is our founder and Chancellor he does not necessarily represent the student bodies' views.

From personal experience there are several Reformed students that attend Liberty as well as students who come from backgrounds where such things as Calvinism are not taught. BUT the ultimate goal of Liberty is to be Christ centered people who go forth into whatever vocation they may pursue and be a light for Christ to the world.

Just thought I'd add an insider's viewpoint.

Blessings,

Justin
Congratulations on your graduation. I've heard that LU is a wonderful school, and your post just confirms that rumor.

I have the utmost respect for Dr. Falwell, even with his (limited) partnering with the RCC in the noble fight against abortion. (The enemy of my enemy...)

Matthan

[Sword-In-Hand]

I am a recent graduate of Liberty University (May '06) and I thought I would add a few words.

First Liberty is a liberal arts university that seeks to educate young men and women from various backgrounds (Protestant, Catholic, and even Muslims...yes there are Muslim students at LU). Liberty does not have an official view concerning Calvinism/Arminianism. In actuallity all students are required to take two survey courses in theology in which they look at BOTH sides of the Calvinism/Arminianism view and allowed to make informed decisions on their own.

Second, though Dr. Falwell is our founder and Chancellor he does not necessarily represent the student bodies' views.

From personal experience there are several Reformed students that attend Liberty as well as students who come from backgrounds where such things as Calvinism are not taught. BUT the ultimate goal of Liberty is to be Christ centered people who go forth into whatever vocation they may pursue and be a light for Christ to the world.

Just thought I'd add an insider's viewpoint.

Blessings,

Justin

That's good to get an insider's perspective and congrats!

I've had a few friends graduate from Liberty, some who are Calvinists others who aren't. But I was going to ask is Falwell a Calvinist? According to sermons I've heard, I would guess, no, but that was in '96, so I don't know if he changed his stance.

[JustinWilliams]

That's good to get an insider's perspective and congrats!

I've had a few friends graduate from Liberty, some who are Calvinists others who aren't. But I was going to ask is Falwell a Calvinist? According to sermons I've heard, I would guess, no, but that was in '96, so I don't know if he changed his stance.


Dr. Falwell, as far as I understand him, is not a supporter of Calvinism.

Now I must say, when speaking with some professors that have been at Liberty from the 70's say, that Falwell has changed over time. Initially he was not as openly against Calvinism as he is now. Many believe that Dr. Caner, his new face for Liberty Theological Seminary, has had a hand in that along with the former seminary dean, Danny Lovett who is now at Tennesse Temple.

Blessings,

Justin

[GordonSlocum]

I am a recent graduate of Liberty University (May '06) and I thought I would add a few words.

First Liberty is a liberal arts university that seeks to educate young men and women from various backgrounds (Protestant, Catholic, and even Muslims...yes there are Muslim students at LU). Liberty does not have an official view concerning Calvinism/Arminianism. In actuallity all students are required to take two survey courses in theology in which they look at BOTH sides of the Calvinism/Arminianism view and allowed to make informed decisions on their own.

Second, though Dr. Falwell is our founder and Chancellor he does not necessarily represent the student bodies' views.

From personal experience there are several Reformed students that attend Liberty as well as students who come from backgrounds where such things as Calvinism are not taught. BUT the ultimate goal of Liberty is to be Christ centered people who go forth into whatever vocation they may pursue and be a light for Christ to the world.

Just thought I'd add an insider's viewpoint.

Blessings,

Justin

No doubt there are some Fatalist there. A school that large will have all versions of Christianity in it.

2 years Oakland University Extension Campus , Royal Oak, Michigan.

BRE William Tyndale 1978 - Michigan (A Dallas T. Bible College formerly Detroit Bible College - Grads from DBC - Dr. Norman Geisler, Dr. Jack Van Impe, Dr. Gary Habermas. Most of my professors at DBC were Calvinist but not 5 pointers w/several exceptions and a few none Calvinist but not Armenian either.

MAR LU 1994

Lord willing after I retire the second time (first from General Motors - second time from being a Locksmith around 70 to 75) I plan to move to Lynchburg and start school all over again and attend TRBC. Help fight off the TULIP TROOPS.

I would be willing to bet - there are no 5 point Calvinist teaching any Bible Classes

Taking a few days off. Taking my mother in law 82 and Mom 81 to Gatlinburg. Up in those mountains Bears eat Calvinist for fun.
God Bless

[JustinWilliams]

No doubt there are some Fatalist there. A school that large will have all versions of Christianity in it.

2 years Oakland University Extension Campus , Royal Oak, Michigan.

BRE William Tyndale 1978 - Michigan (A Dallas T. Bible College formerly Detroit Bible College - Grads from DBC - Dr. Norman Geisler, Dr. Jack Van Impe, Dr. Gary Habermas. Most of my professors at DBC were Calvinist but not 5 pointers w/several exceptions and a few none Calvinist but not Armenian either.

MAR LU 1994

Lord willing after I retire the second time (first from General Motors - second time from being a Locksmith around 70 to 75) I plan to move to Lynchburg and start school all over again and attend TRBC. Help fight off the TULIP TROOPS.

I would be willing to bet - there are no 5 point Calvinist teaching any Bible Classes

Taking a few days off. Taking my mother in law 82 and Mom 81 to Gatlinburg. Up in those mountains Bears eat Calvinist for fun.
God Bless


You will be suprised at the changes at TRBC. It is no longer on Thomas Road but has been relocated to the Liberty University campus. They just opened a new sanctuary that seats 6,500 this past July. Jerry wanted has always wanted the church to be on Liberty Mountain and it is finally there.

But I hate to say it but if you go there with the motive of battling TULIP Troops then you will be disappointed as that's not the aim of TRBC.

Now as far as the biblical studies professors many are not Calvinists but do not view Calvinism as you may. Though they may differ on the understanding and implications of the doctrines of grace, they do not see those who hold to Calvinism as an enemy or heretic. Rather they see it as a viable interpretation of Scripture and an in house debate. I have some insight into this since I began as a religion major and ended as a biblical studies minor.

On a side note, without being disrespectful, I believe that you mistakenly refer to Calvinists as Fatalists which is an incorrect application of the term.

Either way enjoy your trip to Gatlinburg. Stop by and say hello to Dolly for us! ;)


Justin

[HolyMary]

I need to pray for him more often but I don't.

[SumTinWong]

2 years Oakland University Extension Campus , Royal Oak, Michigan.
I grew up in that kneck of the woods in Hazel Park, and lived in Royal for some time. My mother and father were graduates from Dondero and Kimball respectivley.

BRE William Tyndale 1978 - Michigan (A Dallas T. Bible College formerly Detroit Bible College - Grads from DBC - Dr. Norman Geisler, Dr. Jack Van Impe, Dr. Gary Habermas. Most of my professors at DBC were Calvinist but not 5 pointers w/several exceptions and a few none Calvinist but not Armenian either.
Not sure if I would trumpet Impe. The guy is looked at by most people to be an alarmist. I remmeber as a kid listening to him thinking God was coming the next day. After awhile it tends be same old same old with him.

And I have read Geisler's Systematic Theology and that is a pretty Calvinistic book if there ever was one. in fact in their online courses the Dallas Theological Seminary uses them along with other books as a main text book. (http://www.bible.org )