Doctrines of Grace, historical Baptist view

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,

I just posted about the doctrines of Grace, seems there is much confusion as to what they are in a Baptist (God Centered) view.

So I just thought should post the historical back round from a Baptist source.

Exposition of the Doctrines of Grace

EDITOR'S NOTE: These messages are part of the inaugural ceremonies held at the Metropolitan Tabernacle, London, when it first opened. Spurgeon had already preached the first sermons there, beginning March 25, while the building was not yet quite finished. This, however, was the official opening ceremony, and Spurgeon presided, choosing several fellow pastors to expound the doctrines of Calvinism. This guide is offered the reader wishing to follow the familiar TULIP acronym:


http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0385.htm

On to be in that Baptist church that day, would be like heaven on earth...


Peace to u,

Bill

[holdon]

Nor are these all, for such good things as these abound, and they constrain me to say, that in attacking Calvinism we have no hostility towards the men who bear the name rather than the nature of that error, and we are opposed not to any body of men, but to the notions which they have espoused.

[holdon]

Quote:

"A more common charge, brought by more decent people,—for I must say that the last charge is never brought, except by disreputable persons,—a more common charge is, that we hold clear fatalism."

[PETE_]

Great sermons. Hoping to get the entire tabernacle series for my logos software for Christmas.

[GordonSlocum]

The Biblical View

C- Conditional salvation
U- Unlimited Atonement
R- Resistible Grace
E - Eternal Security
D- Delivered from being Dead in Trespasses and sin

[Erinwilcox]

The Biblical View

C- Conditional salvation
U- Unlimited Atonement
R- Resistible Grace
E - Eternal Security
D- Dead in Trespasses and sin

I like it! Why? Because it's true! Based on this acronym, if the first four are true the person will be always be dead in trespasses and sins--just like it says! In the end, if salvation is left up to man's free will, all men would always equal the final point here! How very clever! End of acronym, end of story!

[BBAS 64]

Great sermons. Hoping to get the entire tabernacle series for my logos software for Christmas.

Good Day, Panderson

I have the set in .pdf you will greatly enjoy them...

Peace to u,

Bill

[BBAS 64]

I like it! Why? Because it's true! Based on this acronym, if the first four are true the person will be always be dead in trespasses and sins--just like it says! In the end, if salvation is left up to man's free will, all men would always equal the final point here! How very clever! End of acronym, end of story!

Good Day, Erin

Great insight! :clap:

Free will carried many a soul to hell, but never a soul to heaven

- C.H. Spurgeon

"Man is nothing: he hath a free will to go to hell, but none to go to heaven, till God worketh in him to will and to do his good pleasure"

- George Whitefield

"If any man doth ascribe of salvation, even the very least, to the free will of man, he knoweth nothing of grace, and he hath not learnt Jesus Christ aright."

-Martin Luther

Peace to u,

Bill

[Erinwilcox]

Good Day, Erin

Great insight! :clap:

Free will carried many a soul to hell, but never a soul to heaven

- C.H. Spurgeon

"Man is nothing: he hath a free will to go to hell, but none to go to heaven, till God worketh in him to will and to do his good pleasure"

- George Whitefield

"If any man doth ascribe of salvation, even the very least, to the free will of man, he knoweth nothing of grace, and he hath not learnt Jesus Christ aright."

-Martin Luther

Peace to u,

Bill

:amen: :amen: :amen: Great quotes! I especially love the one by Luther.

[holdon]

:

"His elect shall be saved—every one of them,—and if not by my instrumentality or that of any brother here present, if not by any instrumentality, then would God sooner call them by his Holy Spirit, without the voice of the minister, than that they should perish. But this is the very reason why we preach, because we wish to have the honour of being the means, in the hand of God, of calling these elect ones to himself."

Here is an example of fatalism. (Be it of a special kind as some mortal wants to take credit for those being saved: through their preaching)
But the principle is clearly stated: Come what may, the elect will be saved, with or without preaching. They who are so elect cannot even resist it! That's fatalism. Because fatalism teaches that you cannot change what is to happen.
Despite all the effort to the contrary stated in the first sermon to avoid the charge of fatalism, here C.H. Spurgeon himself demolishes that effort and clearly states it.

Now, on the surface you may think he is right. Didn't God elect before the foundation of the world? (Eph. 1:4)
Yes, He did, but read how: "according as he has chosen us in Him before the world's foundation". He chose us in Him. And why: "that we should be holy and blameless before him in love".

Now, what has that to do with salvation? Nothing. To be saved you don't have to be "in Christ". To be saved you need to have the forgiveness of sins. But in Eph. 1 the believer of the NT gets a whole deal more: he is in Christ, seated in the heavenlies and blessed with all spiritual blessing. That is what he is elected to.

Example: Abraham was elected. Sure thing. Did it mean that others in his day could not be saved? Of course not. We read of Melchizedek, of Lot, etc. likewise saved individuals.

Election is to a certain purpose. Salvation is for all, provided they believe God.

Calvinism mixes up the two things (election and salvation) and gets therefore entangled in fatalism, which they want to deny but really can't: witness C.H. Spurgeon.....

[Erinwilcox]

Here is an example of fatalism. (Be it of a special kind as some mortal wants to take credit for those being saved: through their preaching)
But the principle is clearly stated: Come what may, the elect will be saved, with or without preaching. They who are so elect cannot even resist it! That's fatalism. Because fatalism teaches that you cannot change what is to happen.
Despite all the effort to the contrary stated in the first sermon to avoid the charge of fatalism, here C.H. Spurgeon himself demolishes that effort and clearly states it.

Now, on the surface you may think he is right. Didn't God elect before the foundation of the world? (Eph. 1:4)
Yes, He did, but read how: "according as he has chosen us in Him before the world's foundation". He chose us in Him. And why: "that we should be holy and blameless before him in love".

Now, what has that to do with salvation? Nothing. To be saved you don't have to be "in Christ". To be saved you need to have the forgiveness of sins. But in Eph. 1 the believer of the NT gets a whole deal more: he is in Christ, seated in the heavenlies and blessed with all spiritual blessing. That is what he is elected to.

Example: Abraham was elected. Sure thing. Did it mean that others in his day could not be saved? Of course not. We read of Melchizedek, of Lot, etc. likewise saved individuals.

Election is to a certain purpose. Salvation is for all, provided they believe God.

Calvinism mixes up the two things (election and salvation) and gets therefore entangled in fatalism, which they want to deny but really can't: witness C.H. Spurgeon.....

:scratch: You don't have to be "in Christ" to be saved? :eek: I thought that the two terms were synonomous.

[holdon]

:scratch: You don't have to be "in Christ" to be saved? :eek: I thought that the two terms were synonomous.

No, they're not. That's why there is so much confusion.

[GordonSlocum]

I like it! Why? Because it's true! Based on this acronym, if the first four are true the person will be always be dead in trespasses and sins--just like it says! In the end, if salvation is left up to man's free will, all men would always equal the final point here! How very clever! End of acronym, end of story!
LOL - FIXED IT.

[christian73]

Good Day, Erin

Great insight! :clap:

Free will carried many a soul to hell, but never a soul to heaven

- C.H. Spurgeon

"Man is nothing: he hath a free will to go to hell, but none to go to heaven, till God worketh in him to will and to do his good pleasure"

- George Whitefield

"If any man doth ascribe of salvation, even the very least, to the free will of man, he knoweth nothing of grace, and he hath not learnt Jesus Christ aright."

-Martin Luther

Peace to u,

Bill
Great quotes! :)

[Erinwilcox]

No, they're not. That's why there is so much confusion.

So how can one be saved and not in Christ? "I am the Way, the Truth, and The Life, no man comes to the Father but by me." So how can one come to saving faith without coming through Christ and if they came through Him, how are they not in Him?

[holdon]

So how can one be saved and not in Christ? "I am the Way, the Truth, and The Life, no man comes to the Father but by me." So how can one come to saving faith without coming through Christ and if they came through Him, how are they not in Him?

Before Christ came, there were certainly believers. Persons that believed God.
Whether elect or reject.
Whether Abraham or Lot.
Whether Joshua or Rahab.
Whether Boaz or Ruth.
Whether David or Mephibosheth.
Whether Elisha or Naaman.

[JPPT1974]

We can indeed either accept Christ
Or reject Him as that is good that
We don't have Christianity shoved down our throats
Deciding for oursevles.