I just got told that I am going to hell.....

[Xnot A citizenX]

Well I was on an Apostolic board.  There I asked questions about speaking in tounges as I have on this board.  But this one guy there told me that I was going to hell pretty much if I didn't.  He says that you have to be baptized in the Holy Spirit etc.  My questions is doesn't that happen when you become saved.  You don't have to go off and speak in tounges in order to be saved.  Because I mean some the best nicest Christians I know have never spoken in tounges... :wave:

[seebs]

Don't worry about it; being told that you're going to hell by people other than God is both harmless, and inevitable if you participate in many debates. :)

[Andrew]

one extreme is that if you havent spoken in tongues, you dont have the Holy Spirit so you are not saved.

the other extreme is that all tongues is of the devil.

the middle ground is that when you are saved you have the Holy Spirit. then when you are baptised in the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit has you. or put another way, one is drinking water, the other is diving into the pool.

i belong to the 'middle ground'. just ignore that guy.

[aus_koala]

Read 1 corinthians 12. It indicates that not all believers baptised in the Holy Spirit are given the ability to speak in tongues.

[SpiritPsalmist]

I believe all believers are given the ability to speak in tongues as a prayer language to God. It's the gift of tongues as a ministry to the body that is not given to every believer. 

You're saved by grace, not tongues.  A changed heart is proof that you are saved, not tongues.  Tongues is an evidense but not the only evidense of being baptized in the spirit.  There is a filling of the Spirit and there is a baptizim in the Spirit.  Sorta like Andrew said, the difference of drinking the water vs diving in the pool.

In John 7:38, 39 Jesus was speaking to the multitude (not just the disciples) when He said, (Amplified) "He who believes in Me [who cleaves to and trusts in and relies on Me] as the Scripture has said, From his innermost being shall flow [continuously] springs and rivers of living water. But He was speaking here of the Spirit, Whom those who believed (trusted, had faith) in Him were afterward to receive. For the [Holy] Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified (raised to honor).

Here, He talks about being filled with the Holy Spirit and what it will be like.

Now we can jump forward to John 20:21 - 23, Jesus has risen from the dead and revealed Himself to His disciples. "Then Jesus said to them again, Peace to you! [Just] as the Father has sent Me forth, so I am sending you. And having said this, He breathed on them and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit!"

Here, Jesus breathes on them and says, "receive".  At this point I believe they were filled with the Holy Spirit.

However, look at Acts 1:3 - 5 (Amplified) "To them also He showed Himself alive after His passion (His suffering in the garden and on the cross0 by [a series of] many convincing demonstrations [unquestionable evidences and infallibel proofs], appearing to them during forty days and talking [to them] about the things of the kingdom of God. And while being in their company and eating at the table with them, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem but to wait for what the Father had promised, Of which [He said] you have heard Me speak.  For John baptized with water, but not many days form now you shall be baptized with (placed in, introduced into) the Holy Spirit.

Here, He's telling them to wait for something more. . .that was the baptizim (not filling) of the Holy Ghost.  That event is recording in Acts 2 And among all the things that happened, one of those things was people speaking in tongues.

Quaffer

[JesusServant]

Even though I spoke in tongues when baptized with the Holy Spirit, I don't believe that it is necessary as "proof" so-to-speak.

Ask yourself this question... when the Holy Spirit filled Elizabeth when Mary told her about Gabriel visiting her, did she speak in tongues? Nope. It is a gift and as Paul tells us, not all receive all gifts.

Don't worry as much about what other people think and whether they believe or think you are "saved" or not. That is between you and God and if you're right with God you'll know it my friend. God bless you.

[chelcb]

I do not believe that speaking in tounges or any gift of the spirit means the person has the spirit. God can give his gift to anybody in order to do his will. His gifts are not for our benifit, they are to build up the Church of God, they do not contribute to our own personal holiness.

Have a nice evening, I am going back to my side of the tracks now. :wave:

[Phoebe]

I wonder if the guy that said that to you will be judged since he judged you...?
Why do people do this???
You won't go to hell because you don't speak in another language.

[Susan]

Yesterday at 10:33 PM seebs said this in Post #2 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=704808#post704808)

Don't worry about it; being told that you're going to hell by people other than God is both harmless, and inevitable if you participate in many debates. :)




lol, sadly true. . .;;^.^;;

:hug: to XnotacitizenX

[OldBadfish]

Yes that's right, your not going to hell if you don't start babbling in tongues, I have actually only seen this once in my life, our local junkyard guy got up in church and started speaking in tongues, then another guy got up and said he could translate it.

it was a pentacostal church.

I think I've only been to church once or twice after that.

[JesusServant]

To the people who have made or may make elusive comments towards tongues in this thread, I would advise you not to make fun of or immediately dismiss something just because it hasn't happened to you or you don't understand it.

[SoccerAaron]

11th March 2003 at 06:30 AM Xnot A citizenX said this in Post #1 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=704807#post704807)

Well I was on an Apostolic board.  There I asked questions about speaking in tounges as I have on this board.  But this one guy there told me that I was going to hell pretty much if I didn't.  He says that you have to be baptized in the Holy Spirit etc.  My questions is doesn't that happen when you become saved.  You don't have to go off and speak in tounges in order to be saved.  Because I mean some the best nicest Christians I know have never spoken in tounges... :wave:




You'll usually be told they same thinby UPC'ers. I have been. But it's kinda ironic since they also deny the trinity.

[jjoel]

aight speaking in tongues.

first of all being filled with the holy spirit/ghost. if you read the bible the disciples talk about the holy spirit like he's a physical person RIGHT THERE. (which he is) but today how often do you hear that? ur just mumbling along and will say "oh and the holy spirit told me to move to india" (thats basically the way they talked about the holy spirit in the bible).

being saved? John 14:6 John 3:16 Eph 2:8-9 yea.... that pretty much sums it up.

[MyangelDems]

10th March 2003 at 10:30 PM Xnot A citizenX said this in Post #1 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=704807#post704807)

Well I was on an Apostolic board.  There I asked questions about speaking in tounges as I have on this board.  But this one guy there told me that I was going to hell pretty much if I didn't.  He says that you have to be baptized in the Holy Spirit etc.  My questions is doesn't that happen when you become saved.  You don't have to go off and speak in tounges in order to be saved.  Because I mean some the best nicest Christians I know have never spoken in tounges... :wave:




do what i do and hand them there one-way trip to hell back and suggest that they might want to take a bible along with them. Tongues are just another Gift, not all have it, not all want it. It wont make you go to hell because you don't have it. I tend to think that being baptized in the holy spirit usually means gifts have begun to bear fruit, and since most newly saved people dont really spend so much time on gifts being used by God, as getting a strong foundation for their christian walk, so maybe youre baptized in the Holy Spirit after you've matured to a certain point, now that point is definitely not the same for  everyone so you might very well get a newly saved chrisitan baptized in the holy spirit. Just my thoughts on it. People used to tell me that I couldnt be baptized in the Holy Spirit because I'd never been water baptized, even though I spoke in tongues and had certain gifts that shouldnt appear until after youre baptized in the holy spirit.

[Francie]

That is a gift God gives some people. THat is not a requirement to get into heaven! :angel: THe only way to heaven is JESUS CHRIST!And He did not say you have to speak in tongues on your way there ! God Bless!

[sbbqb7n16]

1 Cor_12:27 Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it.
1 Cor_12:28 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.
1 Cor_12:29 All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they?
1 Cor_12:30 All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?
1 Cor_12:31 But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.


Thought I'd post it just for ease sake... :D

[Julie]

11th March 2003 at 06:30 AM Xnot A citizenX said

Well I was on an Apostolic board.  There I asked questions about speaking in tounges as I have on this board.  But this one guy there told me that I was going to hell pretty much if I didn't.  He says that you have to be baptized in the Holy Spirit etc.  My questions is doesn't that happen when you become saved.  You don't have to go off and speak in tounges in order to be saved.  Because I mean some the best nicest Christians I know have never spoken in tounges... :wave:




That's true according to Gods Holy word, tongues has NOTHING to do with Salvation.

[MissytheButterfly]

11th March 2003 at 06:30 AM Xnot A citizenX said this in Post #1 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=704807#post704807)

Well I was on an Apostolic board.  There I asked questions about speaking in tounges as I have on this board.  But this one guy there told me that I was going to hell pretty much if I didn't.  He says that you have to be baptized in the Holy Spirit etc.  My questions is doesn't that happen when you become saved.  You don't have to go off and speak in tounges in order to be saved.  Because I mean some the best nicest Christians I know have never spoken in tounges... :wave:



Please ignore that person's foolishness. The bible specifically says that everyone has different gifts..some will speak in tongues, some will be good teachers, etc. So the person who told you this must have not read the bible clearly or at least beyond speaking in tongues.

The Bible says that one should be baptized in the name of Jesus. If your heart is sincere the HS comes reguardless of whether speaking in tongues is displayed or not. And considering the fact that God is the only judge of who gets into heaven or goes to hell the person that told you that had no right to do so whatsoever.

You don't ever have to speak tongues and you can still be in God's good grace. So when people tell you that foolishness don't buy into it..because obviously they aren't studied believers.

Bless you and take care,

Missy

[Utah Knight]

don't worry all that is required of you is prayer and repentence as well as faith

[covenant914]

You are not going to Hell.

Whether you speak in tongues or not.
Whether you have a tongue or not.

Everybody will be at the big party in heaven.

[allieisme]

speaking in tongues in our church is a big thing at my church. Although right now I only get the utterence of speaking in tongues.. I dont understand why people would think you would go to hell for that thats ridicilous

[Mr. Good Faith]

The Bible says No you are not going to hell becasue not all Christians have all spiritual; gift. here is a passage from 1st Corinthians.


1Cr 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.1Cr 12:28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various kinds of tongues.1Cr 12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?1Cr 12:30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?1Cr 12:31 But earnestly desire the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.:cool:

[alexeeah]

Well I was on an Apostolic board.  There I asked questions about speaking in tounges as I have on this board.  But this one guy there told me that I was going to hell pretty much if I didn't.  He says that you have to be baptized in the Holy Spirit etc.  My questions is doesn't that happen when you become saved.  You don't have to go off and speak in tounges in order to be saved.  Because I mean some the best nicest Christians I know have never spoken in tounges... :wave:
Just letting you know that the theif on the cross next to Jesus was in paradise with Him.......the theif never even got baptized.......throw that in someones theological face. Speaking tongues comes when the holy spirit gives utterance.......you only have to believe inyour heart that jesus is lord and confess it with your mouth.....however don't say that tongues is from the devil or whatever cause it's definately real weather you have to do it to get to heaven is a personal thing between you and God but without the holy spirit you lose some mighty big battles in life

[CaptainMatt]

I tend to shy away from conversations in regards to tongues. My personal belief is that tongues can't be learned or developed as opposed to what Foursquare says. I believe its a dead thing too nowadays, but thats another story. Also it has nothing to do with Salvation at all. The only thing that matters for Salvation is Jesus Christ. If HE is your Lord and Savior.. thats all that matters!

[vanshan]

It's always good to assume you may be going to hell. It keeps you on your toes so you can fight the good fight of faith, as Paul said, to ensure you don't become disqualified from receiving eternal life by falling into sin.

Next time someone tells you that make sure you show them appreciation for the exhortation and remind them they might suffer eternal death also. ;)

Basil

[premilldispensationalist]

Well I was on an Apostolic board.  There I asked questions about speaking in tounges as I have on this board.  But this one guy there told me that I was going to hell pretty much if I didn't.  He says that you have to be baptized in the Holy Spirit etc.  My questions is doesn't that happen when you become saved.  You don't have to go off and speak in tounges in order to be saved.  Because I mean some the best nicest Christians I know have never spoken in tounges... :wave:

The gift of Tongues has ceased anyway so do not worry! :hug:

[Mr. Good Faith]

"As the Bible says,
I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8),
I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12),
I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).

Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13)."

Faith without works is dead, Grace from God gives us the ability to do an choose good.

Mr. B

[gort]

Hello,

You all speak in a new tongue anyway, don't ya?

;)

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[Plan 9]

You can find yourself being told you're going to hell for all sorts of reasons on Christian message boards because some people seem to be extremely adverse to hearing an opposing opinion from another Christian. It's nothing to worry about, really.

I got rebuked in the name of Jesus once. :)

[covenant914]

Plan 9

I unrebuke you in the name of Jesus.

[Plan 9]

Plan 9

I unrebuke you in the name of Jesus.

aww...thanks! :blush:

[LADY DI]

I used to attend a Charismatic church for nearly 5 years, and I was never taught that if you dont speak in tongues you'll go to hell
The person who told you this didnt know what he was talking about.
Like so many mentioned before, you are only saved by your faith in Jesus.
Speaking in tongues is only a gift.

Mark 16:16
16 Whoever believes and is baptized ( with water ) will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned

[indeep]

I went to an AOG church for a while, and it was very weird. People that knew that I was relatively new at the church would come up to me and flat out say "Hi, how are you? Are you baptised?"

The next question was always "Are you baptised properly?" (properly meaning full immersion)

I got jack of it, so I stopped going there. It wasn't that great a church anyway. :P

[didaskalos]

I always find it amusing when people who have never spoken in tongues attempt to theorize about it.
Learn to do it (as you all can) and then you can speak from experience.
Dids

[CaptainMatt]

I always find it amusing when people who have never spoken in tongues attempt to theorize about it.
Learn to do it (as you all can) and then you can speak from experience.
Dids


Where does it say in the Bible that you can "learn" to speak in Tongues? How can a Gift be taught or learned? I find it even more amusing people that say that tongues is something everyone can do..

[didaskalos]

Where does it say in the Bible that you can "learn" to speak in Tongues? How can a Gift be taught or learned? I find it even more amusing people that say that tongues is something everyone can do..Jesus said that this is one of the signs that follow us. He did not say only certain ones could do it. All believers can speak in tongues. If you do not, then you should find out why not. That process of finding out why is a learning process. You will find that you can. Not only can you, but you have. You do. You just do not do it on purpose. People who speak in tongues have learned to do it effectively and on purpose.
Just agree with Jesus. I believe therefore tongues, casting out devils, healing by laying on of hands, and handling serpents follow me.

[CaptainMatt]

Jesus said that this is one of the signs that follow us. He did not say only certain ones could do it. All believers can speak in tongues. If you do not, then you should find out why not. That process of finding out why is a learning process. You will find that you can. Not only can you, but you have. You do. You just do not do it on purpose. People who speak in tongues have learned to do it effectively and on purpose.
Just agree with Jesus. I believe therefore tongues, casting out devils, healing by laying on of hands, and handling serpents follow me.

I don't agree with you and thats fine. All that matters is Jesus Christ and that He is proclaimed as our Lord and Savior.

[indeep]

I think, or this is my experience, that speaking in tongues is kind of... speaking in the spirit. On the very rare occasion that I have done so, it was in a specific context, that being in prayer. Because it is a gift of the holy spirit, I postulate that it is speaking with the holy spirit's power. In the same way that the other gifts draw on the Spirit's power, why then shouldn't speaking in tongues?

But I could be wrong, it's just how I think about it.

[covenant914]

One of the things that drives people away from organized religion is the never-ending list of requirements. Jesus had 2 commandments. Then we have to believe in the resurrection (no problem for me). Then we have to be baptized a certain way, speak in tongues:yum: , belong to certain denominations(:priest: ), condemn female pastors, gays, all non-Christians, Mormons, JWs, and Jews (unless by supporting Jews we can condemn Arabs).

No wonder Christianity is dying.:cry:

[tesnusxenos]

.&nbsp; what does this mean? I keep seeing it in this thread.

[delightful]

He shouldn't judge you or anyone, tongues is a gift,not a test to past.

God bless you