Trinity or Oneness

[BroGinder]

I am sure this is in a debate somewhere already. Not intending to stir anger form anyone, I am simply asking for input. It is clear that one or the other is Truth and the other is an untruth.

Your thoughts? And Why?

[willard3]

God is both. The Trinity is three Persons in one God. We cannot hope to explain it in human terms; it is one of the great mysteries of God.

[Mathetes the kerux]

You have got to define "oneness." Many may see this thread and not know what you mean.

Oneness is referring to the position that God is a divine Monad . . . there is NO plurality at all. Jesus is the Father, the Son and the Spirit . . . just appearing differently at different times. The doctrine of Trinity is a infiltration by early paganism in the church . . . and as such is not true.

Actually Oneness is an ancient heresy called Modalistic Monarchianism, or Modalism. I believe Paul of Samosata (sp?) was one of the early proponents . . . but this movement was denounced as heretical.

The 2 biggest issues against the Oneness position are:
1. The clarity and preciseness of the Greek.
2. The lack of biblical support that the Oneness apologists give for their positions . . . most is bad hermeneutics and forced philosophical constructs.

Mathetes

[Mathetes the kerux]

Oh yeah . . . you may want to move this thread to the Non part./Commentary sub forum . . . as this is supposed to be the forum for official debates (ie with rules and stuff).

[BroGinder]

Thanks, I discovered that after I posted. Most appreciated.

[linssue55]

Your thoughts? And Why?[/quote]

I WILL NOT DEBATE THIS.........

The Father planned it; the Son executed it; the Spirit revealed it. The Father, the Son and the Spirit are three different persons although they have the same essence. But there is also a second word—LORD, which we simply translate Jehovah. Jehovah is in the singular and it always refers only to one person—sometimes to the Father, sometimes to the Son, and sometimes to the Holy Spirit. Elohim is a plural word used here because all three members of the Trinity were involved in the creation. The phrase “in the beginning,” bereshith, means that time actually began when creation began.

God the Father Planned it......
God the Son Created it.......
God the Holy Spirit restored/revealed it........

One in Essence, Yet 3 seperate persons............

1. Principles; (Points 1 & 2).
....A. God is One in essence; (Jn 10:30).
....B. All the attributes of essence are resident in God, but all may not be manifest at one time.
.......(1) Certain situations in life summon certain charactaristics.
.......(2) Illustration of light; all colors are present in any ray of light, but are only be visible under
...........cetrain conditions of relection and refraction.

2. Examples of Divine essence;
....A. Salvation; Love and Eternal Life are manifest.
....B. Faithfulness; Immutability and Love are manifest.
....C. God's Plan; Omniscience and sovereignty are manifest.
....D. God's Will; sovereignty is manifest.
....E. Judgement; Justice and Righteousness are manifest.


........Omniscience: all knowing.
........Omnipotence: all power.
........Omnipresence: infinite presence.
........Sovereignty: Supreme Being of the Universe.
........Love: infinite capacity for affection, esteem, respect, and pleasure of same.
........Eternal Life: timeless existence without beginning or end.
........Righteousness: intrinsic Good, intergrity, honor, uprightness..
........Justice: absolute fairness, equity, judgement.
........Immutablilty: Unchanging, "not subject to change or variation in quality or nature".
........Veracity: Truth.

3. Omniscience:
....A.God is all-knowing; (1Sam 2:3, Job 26:6, 31:4, 34:21, 37:16, 42:2b; Psa 139:1-6,12,
.......147:4; Jer 16:17, Ezek 11:5, Matt 10:19,30; Heb 4:13).
....B. Infinite in wisdom and understanding; (1Sam 16:7, Psa 44:21, 147:5b; Prov 3:19,
.......5:21, 17:3; Isa 40:13,14; Jer 17:10, 51:15; Nah 1:7, Matt 6:8, Rom 8:27, 11:33; 1Jn 3:20)
....C. Knowing the end from the beginning (foreknowledge); (Isa 41:26, 42:9, 43:9, 46:10;
.......Acts 2:23, 15:8; 1Pet 1:2a)
....D. The Deity of Jesus Christ knew all things, and all men; (Matt 9:4, John 2:24,
........19:28, 21:17)
....E. Application to the believer; (Job 23:10, Matt 6:31,32; Jn 13:7, Rom 8:28, Col 1:10,
.......Jas 1:5, 3:17)

4. Omnipresence:
....A. God is ever-present, limited by neither time nor space, immanent and transcendent;
.......(Jer 23:24, Acts 17:27)
....B. The heavens cannot contain Him; (1Kings 8:27, Acts 17:24b)
....C. Heaven is His throne, the Earth His footstool; (Deut 4:39, Isa 66:1b)
....D. Man cannot escape the presence of God; (Job 34:21,22; Psa 139:7-10, Prov 15:3)
....E. Application to the believer, promise of the comfort of His presence; (Gen 28:15,
........Ex 33:14, Josh 1:9, Psa 121:3,4; Matt 18:20, 28:20b; 1Cor 3:16, Heb 13:5)

5. Omnipotence:
....A. God is all-powerful, with unlimited ability, within the scope of His own charactar;
........(Gen 17:1,18:14; Job 26:7, 42:2; Psa 24:8, 93:1b, 147:5a; Isa 40:26, 50:2; Jer 27:5,
.........32:27; Matt 19:26, Mark 14:36a, Luke 1:37, Rev 4:8)
....B. Limitless in authority; (Psa 33:9, Rom 13:1, Heb 1:3, Rev 19:6)
....C. Manifestation of His power; (2Chr 16:9, 25:8; Psa 74:13)
....D. Power of The Son; (Matt 9:6, 28:18; Jn 10:18, 17:2,3)
....E. Application to the believer; (1Sam 17:47, Psa 27:1, Isa 26:4, 40:29; Jer 33:3, Acts 1:8,
........2Cor 9:8, Eph 1:19, 3:20; 2Tim 1:12, 1Pet 1:5)

6. Sovereignty
....A. God is The Supreme Being of the Universe;
........(Gen 17:1,18:14; Job 26:7, 42:2; Psa 24:8, 93:1b, 147:5a; Isa 40:26, 50:2; Jer 27:5,
.........32:27; Matt 19:26, Mark 14:36a, Luke 1:37, Rev 4:8)
....B. King of Heaven and earth; (Psa 33:9, Rom 13:1, Heb 1:3, Rev 19:6)
....C. Eternal, infinite and self determining; (2Chr 16:9, 25:8; Psa 74:13)
....D. Power of The Son; (Matt 9:6, 28:18; Jn 10:18, 17:2,3)
....E. Expression of Divine volition resulting in a plan for humanity; (1Sam 17:47, Psa 27:1,
.......Isa 26:4, 40:29; Jer 33:3, Acts 1:8, 2Cor 9:8, Eph 1:19, 3:20; 2Tim 1:12, 1Pet 1:5)

7. Love:
....A. God is eternal, unchangeable Love
........(Gen 17:1,18:14; Job 26:7, 42:2; Psa 24:8, 93:1b, 147:5a; Isa 40:26, 50:2; Jer 27:5,
.........32:27; Matt 19:26, Mark 14:36a, Luke 1:37, Rev 4:8)
....B. The infinite, boundless Love compelled Him to reach out to those He Loves;
....C. In setting forth saving grace, His Love was three fold;
.......(1) The Father's Love; (Jn 3:16, 1Jn 4:9)
.......(2) The Son's Love; (1Jn 3:16a)
.......(3) The Holy Spirit's Love; (Jn 16:8-11, 1Cor 2:9-11)

.....D. Application to unbeliever;
.......(1) God's Righteousness cannot fellowship with sin, therefore, His Justice must demand
...........a penalty for sin. (Rom 6:23a).
.......(2) Therefore a barrier, which is insurmountable by man, who in his fallen state is doomed
...........to eternal separation from God, prevented His Love from reaching him; (Isa 59:2)
.......(3) The "barrier" was removed entoto by the cross;

....E. Application to the believer;
.......(1) Those who appropriate the grace of God at salvation are accepted in the Beloved;
...........(Eph 1:6, Rom 8:38,39)
.......(2) The Love of God is produced in the life of the believer filled with The Holy Spirit, and is
...........expressed in Love toward others.

8. Eternal Life:
....A. God is absolute existence, Jehovah; "The Self-Existent One who reveals Himself";
........(Gen 17:1,18:14; Job 26:7, 42:2; Psa 24:8, 93:1b, 147:5a; Isa 40:26, 50:2; Jer 27:5,
.........32:27; Matt 19:26, Mark 14:36a, Luke 1:37, Rev 4:8)
....B. God has no beginning (existed in "eternity past") (Gen 1:1a, Isa 43:13a, Col 1:17)
........and He will exist forever without end. (Deut 32:40, 33:27; Job 36:26, Psa 9:7, 90:2,
........102:27, 135:13; Lam 5:19, Hab 3:6, Jn 1:1-4, 1Tim 1:17, 1Jn 5:11, Rev 1:8, 21:6, 22:13)
....C. Application to unbeliever, rejection of Christ, eternal punishment;
........(Jn 8:24, Matt 25:46a)
....D. Application to the believer, eternal life in Christ; (Jn 3:16, 10:28,29; 1Jn 5:11)
....... Assurance; (Jn 8:51, 14:1-3).

9. Righteousness:
....A. God is absolute holiness, uprightness;
........(Gen 17:1,18:14; Job 26:7, 42:2; Psa 24:8, 93:1b, 147:5a; Isa 40:26, 50:2; Jer 27:5,
.........32:27; Matt 19:26, Mark 14:36a, Luke 1:37, Rev 4:8)
....B. Intrinsic good; (Psa 33:9, Rom 13:1, Heb 1:3, Rev 19:6)
....C. Free from sin; (2Cor 5:21, 1Jn 1:5)
....D. Perfect in His charactar and Person; (Deut 32:4b, Psa 7:9, 11:7, 97:6, 111:3, 119:137a;
.........Jer 23:6, Jn 17:25a, Rom 1:17, 10:3; 1Jn 2:29)
....E. Therefore, He is Righteous in all His attitudes and actions; (Deut 32:4a, 2Sam 22:31a,
.........Psa 113:137b, 145:17; Dan 9:14, Rev 19:2)
....F. Application to unbeliever;
........(1) God's concept of Righteousness is absolute, He cannot fellowship with sin, and He
............demands the same of His creatures that abide with Him in Heaven.
........(2) Man's concept of righteousness is relative; (Isa 64:6)
........(3) No man can measure up to the Divine standard of Righteousness by their own works.
............(Tit 3:5, Rom 3:23, Psa 14:3)
........(4) However, the Righteousness of God is available to all who believe. (Rom 3:22)
....G. Application to the believer; (Rom 6:13,18; 1Tim 6:11 1 Jn 1:9)

10. Justice:
....A. It is impossinble for God to be unfair. His judgements are perfect and demand
........perfection. Justice administers the penalty which Righteousness demands.
........(Deut 32:4, 2Chr 19:7, Job 37:23, Psa 19:19, 50:6b, 58:11, 89:14; Isa 45:21, Jer 50:7,
........ Rom 3:26, Heb 10:30,31; 12:23; 1Jn 1:9, Rev 15:13)
....B. Justice exemplefied in the plan of redemption:
........(1) The Lord Jesus Christ, through His vicarious, efficatious, spiritual death transfered
........... the guilt of the sinner to Himself, satisfying the perfect Justice of God. (1Pet 2:24,
............ Rom 5:12, 6:23)
........(2) God is now free to pardon and justify the sinner who accepts His offer of saving grace.
........... (Rom 3:21-28, 4:5, 8:1)
........(3) God is equally justified in condemning all who reject salvation (Jn 3:18,36; Jn 5:28-30)
........(4) The basis of their indictment is their works, not sin. (Rev 20:11-15)
....C. Judgement is committed to Him who was judged for us; (Jn 5:22, Heb 9:27,28)
....E. Application to the believer; (1Cor 11:31, 1Jn 4:17)

11. Immutability:
....A. God is niether capable of, nor susecptible to change;
........(Psa 102:26,27; Mal 3:6, Heb1:12)
....B. He is absolute stablity; (Isa 40:28, Jas 1:7)
....C. His Word and His works are unchanging; (Psa 119:89, Eccl 3:14, Isa 40:8)
....D. Immutability is the basis for His everlasting faithfulness; (psa 36:5, 88:33, 119:90,
....... Lam 3:23)
..........(1) Faithful to keep His promises. (Num 23:19, Eccl 3:14, Isa 40:8)
..........(2) Faithful to forgive. (1 Jn 1:9)
..........(3) Faithful to keep us saved. (2Tim 2:12,13)
..........(4) Faithful to deliver in pressure. (1 Cor 10:13)
..........(5) Faithful to deliver in suffering. (1Pet 4:19)
..........(6) Faithful to provide a partnership w/Christ. (1Cor 1:9)
..........(7) Faithful to provide in eternity. (1Thes 5:24)
..........(8) Faithful to stabilize the believer. (2Tes 3:3)
....E. The faithfulness of Christ; (Heb 3:1,2; 13:18; Rev 1:5, 19:11)

12. Veracity:
....A. God is absolute Truth; (deut 32:4b)
....B. Veracity is manifest in His ways; (Psa 25:10, 86:15; Rev 15:13)
....C. In His works; (Psa 33:4, 111:7,8; Dan 4:37)
....D. In His Word; (2Sam 7:28, 1Kings 17:24, Psa 19:9, 119:142,151; Psa 138:2, Jn 8:45, 17:17,
.......2Cor 6:7, Eph 1:13)
....E. The Veracity of the Godhead;
..........(1) The Father; (Psa 31:5, Isa 65:16, Jer 10:10a, Jn 3:33, 17:3, Rom 3:4)
..........(2) The Son; (Jn 1:14, 15:26, 16:13; 1Jn 5:6)
..........(3) The Holy Spirit; (Jn 14:17, 15:26, 16:13; 1Jn 5:6)
....F. Application to believer; (Isa 38:19b, Psa 69:13)

[Mathetes the kerux]

Um . . . actually the "elohim is plural" arguement is weak to try and prove Trinity.

[ScottF]

God lives in another dimension so to speak. He lives outside and above our own existence. I try to think of it this way after reading C.S. Lewis's take on it:
God lives in a kind of 4th dimension whereas we live in a 3 dimensional world (height, depth and width).
He isn't limited to our 3 dimensional world. Hence the word "trinity" to try to help explain this. Very difficult to explain. Even more difficult to understand.
C.S. Lewis's book, Mere Christianity, is the only book that I've read that has been the closest book to helping me understand it.

[Morgaine1205]

Moved thread to non-participant commentary & Debate invitations. Thank you, and God bless!

[plmarquette]

the scripture that tends to precipitate this is :
The Lord ( jehovah ) is one God ( elohiem plural )
Let us (elohiem) create man , in our (plural) image
baptism of Jesus ... jesus in the water , god speaking , holy spirit descending ...

trinity is not mentioned , but "implied" ...

[WeBe1]

God has stamped His very nature in the bible, humanity, world, & universe. Everywhere you look is trinity.

Let me try and explain in layman’s terms…

When God in beginning of creation was doing His work, everything He created was “good”. Then when man was created, God said, “It is not good…” because man was alone. God has never been alone, there was always community in God, and the minimum number of a community is 3. God created man in His image, (from the Father & the Son comes the Holy Spirit and in like manner, from a man and a woman comes forth a child). This is the very nature of God, the family representing the stamp of God is all through the bible, and even in the law.

There is so much I would like to add about God stamping His nature on everything in life’s existence as being in threes. Look at the atom, it’s made up of 3 elements yet it is one design that creates all living and non living things. The universe is made up of stars, planets, and moons, the earth would not have it’s life on it with out land, water, & sky.

Oh how I wished I had the time to speak of so much more of God’s absolute proof as read in the bible and is seen in our daily lives that stamps the evidence of our triune God.

[mommy68]

I disagree!! me, me, me

I haven't been shown a clear verse in the Bible yet that shows me that God and Jesus Christ are the same person. A person simply standing at a podium in church on Sunday morning won't convince me of it either. I have researched the Bible and still plan to research it further on my own and along with other people and I don't think I'll ever find a verse that will convince me that God and Jesus Christ are the same person.

I see many, many verses referring to Jesus Christ as the son of God but I have "never" seen a single verse that says or implies "God the son." Until I've been shown that then I will not believe that God and Jesus Christ are one in the same. Besides, if that were true, then why did God go to such great lengths to implant Jesus Christ in Mary's womb so she could give birth to him? God is the almighty and powerful enough to create the heavens and the earth as well as created Adam & Eve from soil of the earth - but yet he couldn't form himself in to a human and just appear on earth as Jesus?? This makes it seem even more true to me that Jesus Christ IS in fact God's son sent down to do the work of his FATHER as it says in the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible does it say he is God. I do not believe in the trinity either (obviously right, lol).

[mommy68]

the scripture that tends to precipitate this is :
The Lord ( jehovah ) is one God ( elohiem plural )
Let us (elohiem) create man , in our (plural) image
baptism of Jesus ... jesus in the water , god speaking , holy spirit descending ...

trinity is not mentioned , but "implied" ...
What verse are you referring to in particular? I agree that Jesus Christ was created in the image of God. But aren't our children also conceived and in the image of their own parents? Jesus Christ is the SON of God so it makes sense that he is going to be in his image. He was holy, without blame, Godly in all ways because that's what he was sent here to do. I say my kids are just like their dad all the time but it doesn't mean they are one in the same people just because they are a "spitting image" of him. I think some people just put TOO much thought in to the words in the Bible and don't think about how God really meant them.

[MessianicJewishGuy]

I am sure this is in a debate somewhere already. Not intending to stir anger form anyone, I am simply asking for input. It is clear that one or the other is Truth and the other is an untruth.

Your thoughts? And Why?
Let go ahead and use the actual definitions of one to start clearing this up:


Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) (http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna.html) - Cite This Source (http://dictionary.reference.com/cite.html?qh=One&ia=luna) one http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.pnghttp://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2FOne) /wʌn/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[wuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1.being or amounting to a single unit or individual or entire thing, item, or object rather than two or more; a single: one woman; one nation; one piece of cake. 2.being a person, thing, or individual instance or member of a number, kind, group, or category indicated: one member of the party. 3.existing, acting, or considered as a single unit, entity, or individual. 4.of the same or having a single kind, nature, or condition: We belong to one team; We are of one resolve. 5.noting some indefinite day or time in the future: You will see him one day. 6.a certain (often used in naming a person otherwise unknown or undescribed): One John Smith was chosen. 7.being a particular, unique, or only individual, item, or unit: I'm looking for the one adviser I can trust. 8.noting some indefinite day or time in the past: We all had dinner together one evening last week. 9.of no consequence as to the character, outcome, etc.; the same: It's all one to me whether they go or not. –noun 10.the first and lowest whole number, being a cardinal number; unity. 11.a symbol of this number, as 1 or I. 12.a single person or thing: If only problems would come one at a time! 13.a die face or a domino face having one pip. 14.a one-dollar bill: to change a five-dollar bill for five ones. 15.(initial capital letterhttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png) Neoplatonism. the ultimate reality, seen as a central source of being by whose emanations all entities, spiritual and corporeal, have their existence, the corporeal ones containing the fewest of the emanations. –pronoun 16.a person or thing of a number or kind indicated or understood: one of the Elizabethan poets. 17.(in certain pronominal combinations) a person unless definitely specified otherwise: every one. 18.(with a defining clause or other qualifying words) a person or a personified being or agency: the evil one; the one I love. 19.any person indefinitely; anyone: as good as one would desire. 20.Chiefly British. (used as a substitute for the pronoun I): Mother had been ailing for many months, and one should have realized it. 21.a person of the speaker's kind; such as the speaker himself or herself: to press one's own claims. 22.something or someone of the kind just mentioned: The portraits are fine ones. Your teachers this semester seem to be good ones. 23.something available or referred to, esp. in the immediate area: Here, take one—they're delicious. The bar is open, so have one on me! —Idioms24.at one, a.in a state of agreement; of one opinion. b.united in thought or feeling; attuned: He felt at one with his Creator. 25.one and all, everyone: They came, one and all, to welcome him home. 26.one by one, singly and successively: One by one the children married and moved away. 27.one for the road. road (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=road) (def. 9).
[Origin: bef. 900; ME oon, OE ān; c. D een, G ein, Goth ains, L ūnus (OL oinos); akin to Gk oíné ace on a diehttp://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png]

—Usage note One as an indefinite pronoun meaning “any person indefinitely, anyone” is more formal than you, which is also used as an indefinite pronoun with the same sense: One (or you) should avoid misconceptions. One (or you) can correct this fault in three ways. When the construction requires that the pronoun be repeated, either one or he or he or she is used; he or he or she is the more common in the United States: Wherever one looks, he (or he or she) finds evidence of pollution. In speech or informal writing, a form of they sometimes occurs: Can one read this without having their emotions stirred?
In constructions of the type one of those who (or that or which), the antecedent of who is considered to be the plural noun or pronoun, correctly followed by a plural verb: He is one of those people who work for the government. Yet the feeling that one is the antecedent is so strong that a singular verb is commonly found in all types of writing: one of those people who works for the government. When one is preceded by only in such a construction, the singular verb is always used: the only one of her sons who visits her in the hospital.
The substitution of one for I, a typically British use, is usually regarded as an affectation in the United States. See also he (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=he)1, they (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=they).


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[Mathetes the kerux]

I disagree!! me, me, me

I haven't been shown a clear verse in the Bible yet that shows me that God and Jesus Christ are the same person. A person simply standing at a podium in church on Sunday morning won't convince me of it either. I have researched the Bible and still plan to research it further on my own and along with other people and I don't think I'll ever find a verse that will convince me that God and Jesus Christ are the same person.

I see many, many verses referring to Jesus Christ as the son of God but I have "never" seen a single verse that says or implies "God the son." Until I've been shown that then I will not believe that God and Jesus Christ are one in the same. Besides, if that were true, then why did God go to such great lengths to implant Jesus Christ in Mary's womb so she could give birth to him? God is the almighty and powerful enough to create the heavens and the earth as well as created Adam & Eve from soil of the earth - but yet he couldn't form himself in to a human and just appear on earth as Jesus?? This makes it seem even more true to me that Jesus Christ IS in fact God's son sent down to do the work of his FATHER as it says in the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible does it say he is God. I do not believe in the trinity either (obviously right, lol).
John 8:58

[MessianicJewishGuy]

Your thoughts? And Why?

I WILL NOT DEBATE THIS.........

The Father planned it; the Son executed it; the Spirit revealed it. The Father, the Son and the Spirit are three different persons although they have the same essence. But there is also a second word—LORD, which we simply translate Jehovah. Jehovah is in the singular and it always refers only to one person—sometimes to the Father, sometimes to the Son, and sometimes to the Holy Spirit. Elohim is a plural word used here because all three members of the Trinity were involved in the creation. The phrase “in the beginning,” bereshith, means that time actually began when creation began.

God the Father Planned it......
God the Son Created it.......
God the Holy Spirit restored/revealed it........

One in Essence, Yet 3 seperate persons............

1. Principles; (Points 1 & 2).
....A. God is One in essence; (Jn 10:30).
....B. All the attributes of essence are resident in God, but all may not be manifest at one time.
.......(1) Certain situations in life summon certain charactaristics.
.......(2) Illustration of light; all colors are present in any ray of light, but are only be visible under
...........cetrain conditions of relection and refraction.

2. Examples of Divine essence;
....A. Salvation; Love and Eternal Life are manifest.
....B. Faithfulness; Immutability and Love are manifest.
....C. God's Plan; Omniscience and sovereignty are manifest.
....D. God's Will; sovereignty is manifest.
....E. Judgement; Justice and Righteousness are manifest.


........Omniscience: all knowing.
........Omnipotence: all power.
........Omnipresence: infinite presence.
........Sovereignty: Supreme Being of the Universe.
........Love: infinite capacity for affection, esteem, respect, and pleasure of same.
........Eternal Life: timeless existence without beginning or end.
........Righteousness: intrinsic Good, intergrity, honor, uprightness..
........Justice: absolute fairness, equity, judgement.
........Immutablilty: Unchanging, "not subject to change or variation in quality or nature".
........Veracity: Truth.

3. Omniscience:
....A.God is all-knowing; (1Sam 2:3, Job 26:6, 31:4, 34:21, 37:16, 42:2b; Psa 139:1-6,12,
.......147:4; Jer 16:17, Ezek 11:5, Matt 10:19,30; Heb 4:13).
....B. Infinite in wisdom and understanding; (1Sam 16:7, Psa 44:21, 147:5b; Prov 3:19,
.......5:21, 17:3; Isa 40:13,14; Jer 17:10, 51:15; Nah 1:7, Matt 6:8, Rom 8:27, 11:33; 1Jn 3:20)
....C. Knowing the end from the beginning (foreknowledge); (Isa 41:26, 42:9, 43:9, 46:10;
.......Acts 2:23, 15:8; 1Pet 1:2a)
....D. The Deity of Jesus Christ knew all things, and all men; (Matt 9:4, John 2:24,
........19:28, 21:17)
....E. Application to the believer; (Job 23:10, Matt 6:31,32; Jn 13:7, Rom 8:28, Col 1:10,
.......Jas 1:5, 3:17)

4. Omnipresence:
....A. God is ever-present, limited by neither time nor space, immanent and transcendent;
.......(Jer 23:24, Acts 17:27)
....B. The heavens cannot contain Him; (1Kings 8:27, Acts 17:24b)
....C. Heaven is His throne, the Earth His footstool; (Deut 4:39, Isa 66:1b)
....D. Man cannot escape the presence of God; (Job 34:21,22; Psa 139:7-10, Prov 15:3)
....E. Application to the believer, promise of the comfort of His presence; (Gen 28:15,
........Ex 33:14, Josh 1:9, Psa 121:3,4; Matt 18:20, 28:20b; 1Cor 3:16, Heb 13:5)

5. Omnipotence:
....A. God is all-powerful, with unlimited ability, within the scope of His own charactar;
........(Gen 17:1,18:14; Job 26:7, 42:2; Psa 24:8, 93:1b, 147:5a; Isa 40:26, 50:2; Jer 27:5,
.........32:27; Matt 19:26, Mark 14:36a, Luke 1:37, Rev 4:8)
....B. Limitless in authority; (Psa 33:9, Rom 13:1, Heb 1:3, Rev 19:6)
....C. Manifestation of His power; (2Chr 16:9, 25:8; Psa 74:13)
....D. Power of The Son; (Matt 9:6, 28:18; Jn 10:18, 17:2,3)
....E. Application to the believer; (1Sam 17:47, Psa 27:1, Isa 26:4, 40:29; Jer 33:3, Acts 1:8,
........2Cor 9:8, Eph 1:19, 3:20; 2Tim 1:12, 1Pet 1:5)

6. Sovereignty
....A. God is The Supreme Being of the Universe;
........(Gen 17:1,18:14; Job 26:7, 42:2; Psa 24:8, 93:1b, 147:5a; Isa 40:26, 50:2; Jer 27:5,
.........32:27; Matt 19:26, Mark 14:36a, Luke 1:37, Rev 4:8)
....B. King of Heaven and earth; (Psa 33:9, Rom 13:1, Heb 1:3, Rev 19:6)
....C. Eternal, infinite and self determining; (2Chr 16:9, 25:8; Psa 74:13)
....D. Power of The Son; (Matt 9:6, 28:18; Jn 10:18, 17:2,3)
....E. Expression of Divine volition resulting in a plan for humanity; (1Sam 17:47, Psa 27:1,
.......Isa 26:4, 40:29; Jer 33:3, Acts 1:8, 2Cor 9:8, Eph 1:19, 3:20; 2Tim 1:12, 1Pet 1:5)

7. Love:
....A. God is eternal, unchangeable Love
........(Gen 17:1,18:14; Job 26:7, 42:2; Psa 24:8, 93:1b, 147:5a; Isa 40:26, 50:2; Jer 27:5,
.........32:27; Matt 19:26, Mark 14:36a, Luke 1:37, Rev 4:8)
....B. The infinite, boundless Love compelled Him to reach out to those He Loves;
....C. In setting forth saving grace, His Love was three fold;
.......(1) The Father's Love; (Jn 3:16, 1Jn 4:9)
.......(2) The Son's Love; (1Jn 3:16a)
.......(3) The Holy Spirit's Love; (Jn 16:8-11, 1Cor 2:9-11)

.....D. Application to unbeliever;
.......(1) God's Righteousness cannot fellowship with sin, therefore, His Justice must demand
...........a penalty for sin. (Rom 6:23a).
.......(2) Therefore a barrier, which is insurmountable by man, who in his fallen state is doomed
...........to eternal separation from God, prevented His Love from reaching him; (Isa 59:2)
.......(3) The "barrier" was removed entoto by the cross;

....E. Application to the believer;
.......(1) Those who appropriate the grace of God at salvation are accepted in the Beloved;
...........(Eph 1:6, Rom 8:38,39)
.......(2) The Love of God is produced in the life of the believer filled with The Holy Spirit, and is
...........expressed in Love toward others.

8. Eternal Life:
....A. God is absolute existence, Jehovah; "The Self-Existent One who reveals Himself";
........(Gen 17:1,18:14; Job 26:7, 42:2; Psa 24:8, 93:1b, 147:5a; Isa 40:26, 50:2; Jer 27:5,
.........32:27; Matt 19:26, Mark 14:36a, Luke 1:37, Rev 4:8)
....B. God has no beginning (existed in "eternity past") (Gen 1:1a, Isa 43:13a, Col 1:17)
........and He will exist forever without end. (Deut 32:40, 33:27; Job 36:26, Psa 9:7, 90:2,
........102:27, 135:13; Lam 5:19, Hab 3:6, Jn 1:1-4, 1Tim 1:17, 1Jn 5:11, Rev 1:8, 21:6, 22:13)
....C. Application to unbeliever, rejection of Christ, eternal punishment;
........(Jn 8:24, Matt 25:46a)
....D. Application to the believer, eternal life in Christ; (Jn 3:16, 10:28,29; 1Jn 5:11)
....... Assurance; (Jn 8:51, 14:1-3).

9. Righteousness:
....A. God is absolute holiness, uprightness;
........(Gen 17:1,18:14; Job 26:7, 42:2; Psa 24:8, 93:1b, 147:5a; Isa 40:26, 50:2; Jer 27:5,
.........32:27; Matt 19:26, Mark 14:36a, Luke 1:37, Rev 4:8)
....B. Intrinsic good; (Psa 33:9, Rom 13:1, Heb 1:3, Rev 19:6)
....C. Free from sin; (2Cor 5:21, 1Jn 1:5)
....D. Perfect in His charactar and Person; (Deut 32:4b, Psa 7:9, 11:7, 97:6, 111:3, 119:137a;
.........Jer 23:6, Jn 17:25a, Rom 1:17, 10:3; 1Jn 2:29)
....E. Therefore, He is Righteous in all His attitudes and actions; (Deut 32:4a, 2Sam 22:31a,
.........Psa 113:137b, 145:17; Dan 9:14, Rev 19:2)
....F. Application to unbeliever;
........(1) God's concept of Righteousness is absolute, He cannot fellowship with sin, and He
............demands the same of His creatures that abide with Him in Heaven.
........(2) Man's concept of righteousness is relative; (Isa 64:6)
........(3) No man can measure up to the Divine standard of Righteousness by their own works.
............(Tit 3:5, Rom 3:23, Psa 14:3)
........(4) However, the Righteousness of God is available to all who believe. (Rom 3:22)
....G. Application to the believer; (Rom 6:13,18; 1Tim 6:11 1 Jn 1:9)

10. Justice:
....A. It is impossinble for God to be unfair. His judgements are perfect and demand
........perfection. Justice administers the penalty which Righteousness demands.
........(Deut 32:4, 2Chr 19:7, Job 37:23, Psa 19:19, 50:6b, 58:11, 89:14; Isa 45:21, Jer 50:7,
........ Rom 3:26, Heb 10:30,31; 12:23; 1Jn 1:9, Rev 15:13)
....B. Justice exemplefied in the plan of redemption:
........(1) The Lord Jesus Christ, through His vicarious, efficatious, spiritual death transfered
........... the guilt of the sinner to Himself, satisfying the perfect Justice of God. (1Pet 2:24,
............ Rom 5:12, 6:23)
........(2) God is now free to pardon and justify the sinner who accepts His offer of saving grace.
........... (Rom 3:21-28, 4:5, 8:1)
........(3) God is equally justified in condemning all who reject salvation (Jn 3:18,36; Jn 5:28-30)
........(4) The basis of their indictment is their works, not sin. (Rev 20:11-15)
....C. Judgement is committed to Him who was judged for us; (Jn 5:22, Heb 9:27,28)
....E. Application to the believer; (1Cor 11:31, 1Jn 4:17)

11. Immutability:
....A. God is niether capable of, nor susecptible to change;
........(Psa 102:26,27; Mal 3:6, Heb1:12)
....B. He is absolute stablity; (Isa 40:28, Jas 1:7)
....C. His Word and His works are unchanging; (Psa 119:89, Eccl 3:14, Isa 40:8)
....D. Immutability is the basis for His everlasting faithfulness; (psa 36:5, 88:33, 119:90,
....... Lam 3:23)
..........(1) Faithful to keep His promises. (Num 23:19, Eccl 3:14, Isa 40:8)
..........(2) Faithful to forgive. (1 Jn 1:9)
..........(3) Faithful to keep us saved. (2Tim 2:12,13)
..........(4) Faithful to deliver in pressure. (1 Cor 10:13)
..........(5) Faithful to deliver in suffering. (1Pet 4:19)
..........(6) Faithful to provide a partnership w/Christ. (1Cor 1:9)
..........(7) Faithful to provide in eternity. (1Thes 5:24)
..........(8) Faithful to stabilize the believer. (2Tes 3:3)
....E. The faithfulness of Christ; (Heb 3:1,2; 13:18; Rev 1:5, 19:11)

12. Veracity:
....A. God is absolute Truth; (deut 32:4b)
....B. Veracity is manifest in His ways; (Psa 25:10, 86:15; Rev 15:13)
....C. In His works; (Psa 33:4, 111:7,8; Dan 4:37)
....D. In His Word; (2Sam 7:28, 1Kings 17:24, Psa 19:9, 119:142,151; Psa 138:2, Jn 8:45, 17:17,
.......2Cor 6:7, Eph 1:13)
....E. The Veracity of the Godhead;
..........(1) The Father; (Psa 31:5, Isa 65:16, Jer 10:10a, Jn 3:33, 17:3, Rom 3:4)
..........(2) The Son; (Jn 1:14, 15:26, 16:13; 1Jn 5:6)
..........(3) The Holy Spirit; (Jn 14:17, 15:26, 16:13; 1Jn 5:6)
....F. Application to believer; (Isa 38:19b, Psa 69:13)




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Actually Elohim is a plural name. Therefore it is it talking about a plurality.

[MessianicJewishGuy]

On the Trinity

[from the end of On Heresies] [Saint John of Damascus, Writings, Tr. F.H. Chase, The Fathers of the Church, Catholic University, 1958. p. 161-3.]
We believe in Father and Son and Holy Ghost;
one Godhead in three hypostases;
one will, one operation, alike in three persons;
wisdom incorporeal, uncreated, immortal, incomprehensible,
without beginning, unmoved, unaffected, without quantity,
without quality, ineffable, immutable, unchangeable, uncontained,
equal in glory, equal in power, equal in majesty, equal in might, equal in nature,
exceedingly substantial, exceedingly good,
thrice radiant, thrice bright, thrice brilliant.

Light is the Father, Light the Son, Light the Holy Ghost;
Wisdom the Father, Wisdom the Son, Wisdom the Holy Ghost;
one God and not three Gods;
one Lord the Holy Trinity discovered in three hypostases.

Father is the Father, and unbegotten;
Son is the Son, begotten and not unbegotten, for He is from the Father;
Holy Ghost, not begotten but proceeding, for He is from the Father.

There is nothing created, nothing of the first and second order, nothing lord and servant;
but there is unity and trinity
- there was, there is, and there shall be forever -
which is perceived and adored by faith -
by faith, not by inquiry, nor by searching out, nor by visible manifestation;
for the more He is sought out, the more He is unknown, and the more He is investigated, the more He is hidden.

And so, let the faithful adore God with a mind that is not overcurious. And believe that He is God in three hypostases, although the manner in which He is so is beyond manner, for God is incomprehensible. Do not ask how the Trinity is Trinity, for the Trinity is inscrutable.

But, if you are curious about God, first tell me of yourself and the things that pertain to you. How does your soul have existence? How is your mind set in motion? How do you produce your mental concepts? How is it that you are both mortal and immortal? But, if you are ignorant of these things which are within you, then why do you not shudder at the thought of investigating the sublime things of heaven?

Think of the Father as a spring of life begetting the Son like a river and the Holy Ghost like a sea, for the spring and the river and sea are all one nature.

Think of the Father as a root, and of the Son as a branch, and the Spirit as a fruit, for the substance in these three is one.

The Father is a sun with the Son as rays and the Holy Ghost as heat.

The Holy Trinity transcends by far every similitude and figure. So, when you hear of an offspring of the Father, do not think of a corporeal offspring. And when you hear that there is a Word, do not suppose Him to be a corporeal word. And when you hear of the Spirit of God, do not think of wind and breath. Rather, hold you persuasion with a simple faith alone. For the concept of the Creator is arrived at by analogy from His creatures.

Be persuaded, moreover, that the incarnate dispensation of the Son of God was begotten ineffably without seed of the blessed Virgin, believing Him to be without confusion and without change both God and man, who for your sake worked all the dispensation. And to Him by good works give worship and adoration, and venerate and revere the most holy Mother of God and ever-virgin Mary as true Mother of God, and all the saints as His attendants.

Doing thus, you will be a right worshiper of the holy and undivided Trinity, Father and Son and Holy Ghost, of the one Godhead, to whom be glory and honor and adoration forever and ever. Amen