The Book of Jasher

[AliOgg]

God Bless You

The Book of Jasher is mentioned twice in the Old Testament, if you have read it what do you think?
Is there anything in it that seems to contradict accepted teachings or is it historical teaching that we do not see elsewhere of the early times

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[ArnautDaniel]

God Bless You

The Book of Jasher is mentioned twice in the Old Testament, if you have read it what do you think?
Is there anything in it that seems to contradict accepted teachings or is it historical teaching that we do not see elsewhere of the early times

And God Bless All His Peoples.

The only Book of Jasher circulating today is a later forgery.

The original is lost.

[AliOgg]

The only Book of Jasher circulating today is a later forgery.

The original is lost.

What makes you say this?

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[stone]

The book of Jasher that exist today only goes back 200 years. Before this time it does not exist. Also the book of Jasher that exist today is only a forgery of the torah.

The book of Jasher is a book that has long vanished from our existense and is a Hebrew prophecy book. When it is referenced it is refferenced as a book of prephecy and it is mentioned as a prophecy came to pass, which was that the sun stayed up in the skies for an entire duration of a 24 hour day so that the battle could continue till all of the people were killed just as father commanded for them to be killed by the sword.

the other use of this book appears to be a book of instruction as it mentions that there are lessons within it on how to use a bow, and mentions that the sons of a king would learn to use a bow, another prophecy quoted to be fulfilled, and to have come to pass.

These are mentioned in Joshua i believe?

[AliOgg]

The book of Jasher that exist today only goes back 200 years. Before this time it does not exist.

What evidence do you have that this is not an ancient text?

Also the book of Jasher that exist today is only a forgery of the torah.The book of Jasher is a book that has long vanished from our existense

Again what evidence do you have?

and is a Hebrew prophecy book.

Why do you say this?

When it is referenced it is refferenced as a book of prephecy and it is mentioned as a prophecy came to pass, which was that the sun stayed up in the skies for an entire duration of a 24 hour day so that the battle could continue till all of the people were killed just as father commanded for them to be killed by the sword.

Jos 10:11 And it happened, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the descent of Bethhoron, Jehovah cast down great stones from the heavens on them to Azekah, and they died. The many who died from hailstones were more than the sons of Israel killed with the sword.
Jos 10:12 Then Joshua spoke to Jehovah in the day when Jehovah delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun! Stand still on Gibeon! And, moon, stand still in the valley of Aijalon!
Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stood still, until the people had avenged themselves on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? And the sun stood still in the midst of the heavens, and did not hasten to go down about a whole day.
Jos 10:14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that Jehovah listened to the voice of a man. For Jehovah fought for Israel.
Jos 10:15 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to the camp to Gilgal.

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This is not prophesy, this is a historical report of what happened during this battle, why do you say this is prophesy?


the other use of this book appears to be a book of instruction as it mentions that there are lessons within it on how to use a bow, and mentions that the sons of a king would learn to use a bow,

2Sa 1:16 And David said to him, Your blood be upon your head, for your mouth has testified against you, saying, I have slain Jehovah's anointed.
2Sa 1:17 And David chanted this death dirge over Saul and over his son Jonathan.
2Sa 1:18 And he said to teach the sons of Judah The Song of the Bow. Behold, it is written in the Book of Jasher:
2Sa 1:19 The beauty of Israel is slain upon your high places! How are the mighty fallen!
2Sa 1:20 Tell it not in Gath, do not let it be known in the streets of Askelon, lest the daughters of the Philistines rejoice, lest the daughters of the uncircumcised triumph.
2Sa 1:21 Mountains of Gilboa, let not dew or rain be on you, nor fields of offerings. For there the shield of the mighty has been evilly cast away, the shield of Saul not being anointed with oil.
2Sa 1:22 From the blood of the slain, from the fat of the mighty, the bow of Jonathan did not turn back, and the sword of Saul did not return empty.
2Sa 1:23 Saul and Jonathan were lovely and pleasant in their lives, and in their death they were not divided. They were swifter than eagles; they were stronger than lions.
2Sa 1:24 Daughters of Israel, weep over Saul, who clothed you in scarlet and with delights; who put ornaments of gold on your clothes.
2Sa 1:25 How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! Jonathan is slain on your high places.
2Sa 1:26 I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan. Very pleasant you have been to me. Your love to me was wonderful, more than the love of women.
2Sa 1:27 How are the mighty fallen, and the weapons of war perished!
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another prophecy quoted to be fulfilled, and to have come to pass.

Where is the prophesy?


These are mentioned in Joshua i believe?


Joshua, 2 Samuel and the Book of Jasher-


60 And the Lord confounded them before the children at Israel, who smote them with a terrible slaughter in Gibeon, and pursued them along the way that goes up to Beth Horon unto Makkedah, and they fled from before the children of Israel.61 And whilst they were fleeing, the Lord sent upon them hailstones from heaven, and more of them died by the hailstones, than by the slaughter of the children of Israel.62 And the children of Israel pursued them, and they still smote them in the road, going on and smiting them.63 And when they were smiting, the day was declining toward evening, and Joshua said in the sight of all the people, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon, and thou moon in the valley of Ajalon, until the nation shall have revenged itself upon its enemies.64 And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Joshua, and the sun stood still in the midst of the heavens, and it stood still six and thirty moments, and the moon also stood still and hastened not to go down a whole day.65 And there was no day like that, before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened to the voice of a man, for the Lord fought for Israel.
CHAPTER 89 1 Then spoke Joshua this song, on the day that the Lord had given the Amorites into the hand of Joshua and the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of all Israel,2 Thou hast done mighty things, O Lord, thou hast performed great deeds; who is like unto thee? my lips shall sing to thy name.3 My goodness and my fortress, my high tower, I will sing a new song unto thee, with thanksgiving will I sing to thee, thou art the strength of my salvation.4 All the kings of the earth shall praise thee, the princes of the world shall sing to thee, the children of Israel shall rejoice in thy salvation, they shall sing and praise thy power.5 To thee, O Lord, did we confide; we said thou art our God, for thou wast our shelter
and strong tower against our enemies.6 To thee we cried and were not ashamed, in thee we trusted and were delivered; when we cried unto thee, thou didst hear our voice, thou didst deliver our souls from the sword, thou didst show unto us thy grace, thou didst give unto us thy salvation, thou didst rejoice our hearts with thy strength.7 Thou didst go forth for our salvation, with thine arm thou didst redeem thy people; thou didst answer us from the heavens of thy holiness, thou didst save us from ten thousands of people.8 The sun and moon stood still in heaven, and thou didst stand in thy wrath against our oppressors and didst command thy judgments over them.9 All the princes of the earth stood up, the kings of the nations had gathered themselves together, they were not moved at thy presence, they desired thy battles.10 Thou didst rise against them in thine anger, and didst bring down thy wrath upon them; thou didst destroy them in thine anger, and cut them off in thine heart.11 Nations have been consumed with thy fury, kingdoms have declined because of thy wrath, thou didst wound kings in the day of thine anger.12 Thou didst pour out thy fury upon them, thy wrathful anger took hold of them; thou didst turn their iniquity upon them, and didst cut them off in their wickedness.13 They did spread a trap, they fell therein, in the net they hid, their foot was caught.14 Thine hand was ready for all thine enemies who said, Through their sword they possessed the land, through their arm they dwelt in the city; thou didst fill their faces with shame, thou didst bring their horns down to the ground, thou didst terrify them in thy wrath, and didst destroy them in thine anger.15 The earth trembled and shook at the sound of thy storm over them, thou didst not withhold their souls from death, and didst bring down their lives to the grave.16 Thou didst pursue them in thy storm, thou didst consume them in thy whirlwind, thou didst turn their rain into hail, they fell in deep pits so that they could not rise.
17 Their carcasses were like rubbish cast out in the middle of the streets.18 They were consumed and destroyed in thine anger, thou didst save thy people with thy might.19 Therefore our hearts rejoice in thee, our souls exalt in thy salvation.20 Our tongues shall relate thy might, we will sing and praise thy wondrous works.21 For thou didst save us from our enemies, thou didst deliver us from those who rose up against us, thou didst destroy them from before us and depress them beneath our feet.22 Thus shall all thine enemies perish O Lord, and the wicked shall be like chaff driven by the wind, and thy beloved shall be like trees planted by the waters.23 So Joshua and all Israel with him returned to the camp in Gilgal, after having smitten all the kings, so that not a remnant was left of them.

from the Book of Jasher

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And God Bless All His Peoples.

[ArnautDaniel]

Just to be clear:

No one is asserting that there wasn't once a Book of Jasher, nor that this book was referred to in the Old Testament.

What is being asserted is that the book currently circulating under that name is a later forgery. This is the scholarly concensus.

[AliOgg]

Just to be clear:

No one is asserting that there wasn't once a Book of Jasher, nor that this book was referred to in the Old Testament.

What is being asserted is that the book currently circulating under that name is a later forgery. This is the scholarly concensus.
God Bless You

Scholarly Concencus once said the earth was flat, there's more scholarly concensus on this planet than grains of sand(metaphorically speaking). I have heard many men claim that others who should know better do know better because they are scholars, but if scholars know best then why do they disagree.If you have evidence then I would be glad to hear of it, as it stands I have read this book that you condemn and I see no fault in it

And God Bless All His Peoples.

[ArnautDaniel]

God Bless You

Scholarly Concencus once said the earth was flat, there's more scholarly concensus on this planet than grains of sand(metaphorically speaking). I have heard many men claim that others who should know better do know better because they are scholars, but if scholars know best then why do they disagree.If you have evidence then I would be glad to hear of it, as it stands I have read this book that you condemn and I see no fault in it

And God Bless All His Peoples.


So if I go out next week and write a "Book of Jasher" that you find "no fault in", it should be accepted?

Just because it reads okay doesn't mean it isn't a forgery, and the fact that no texts exist from prior to about 200 years ago is telling.

[AliOgg]

[QUOTE]So if I go out next week and write a "Book of Jasher" that you find "no fault in", it should be accepted?

If you go out next week and write the Book of ArnautDaniel because the Holy Spirit inspires you to do so and after reading it, it seems to me inspired, then I would probably accept it if nobody gave me a valid reason not to

Just because it reads okay doesn't mean it isn't a forgery,

I understand what you are saying, but if this was inspired by the Holy Spirit then how could it be a forgery,there are many supposed "lost" teachings that men chase after, some of which appear to go against and contradict the truths that we accept from the established scriptural teachings and this in itself is usually enough to make us shy away from these things.
But if we come across something that does not lead us away from what we hold as true and even seems give more insight into times that we know little about, should we not investigate it as best we can.
For if it is wrong teaching then it seems proper to cast it aside but if it is teaching inspired by the Holy Spirit that we cast aside then do we not sin against the Holy Spirit, and this is what worries me


and the fact that no texts exist from prior to about 200 years ago is telling.

This tells me little, if I remember rightly the oldest complete text of Isaiah that we have was found among the dead sea scrolls less than 60 years ago and most of the other bible teachings do not date back as far as the dead sea scrolls but we accept their antiquity and recognise that there were older copies which have been lost.
If I were to copy the Bible word for word in modern ink on modern paper it would not make the teachings false, it would only mean the ink and paper were new

And God Bless All His Peoples.

[AliOgg]

Is there anyone who has evidence that this Book of Jasher is not what it appears to be?

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