Salvation by Torah ...Salvation By Yeshua...

[Tishri1]

Very simple... here is a poll... pick one choice... does your Salvation come thru Torah observance... or thru trusting faith in MessiahYeshua?

[visionary]

How can you separate the very character and living lifestyle of Yeshua from Him?

You have to meet Yeshua and believe He is to receive salvation.

[Tishri1]

Right on Vis, :thumbsup:I thought this poll would be cool to have around so people will know the truth about what we all personally believe here:amen::clap:

[stone]

guess what i answered? lol

;)

[plum]

faith, my friends. but the two work hand-in-hand when walking along the Way



*pokes tish* if this thread goes well, maybe it would help to have it in the "About MJ" sticky...


*innocent look* ;)

[Tishri1]

faith, my friends. but the two work hand-in-hand when walking along the Way



*pokes tish* if this thread goes well, maybe it would help to have it in the "About MJ" sticky...


*innocent look* ;)oh I like that idea, cuz for those visiting us and if they were to think we have gone back under the law for our salvation and such, this would be sooooooo nice to have around to show them:clap:

and many people are curious, ABBA has put a bee in their bonnet about the Torah and festivals and sometimes they need to know up front that this isnt a replacement for the salvation they recieve in Yeshua...in fact I think of Torah as like a gift for you after you are saved(well for many it's a before and after gift:clap:)

[AngCath]

this thread (&poll) was very enlightening for me.

[Tishri1]

this thread (&poll) was very enlightening for me.:clap:bless you I was hoping that it would be:hug:

[MattyJames]

Hi Tish,

I haven't answered, althought I know where this thread has stemmed from.

Furthermore, I won't answer, because the poll is self-canceling. Torah is spiritual, and if you 'Love the lord your God with all your heart, soul and might.', you will be saved. And if you say you have Faith in Yeshua, and do not 'Love the lord your God, with all your heart, soul and might.', your Faith is Vanity.

Let me post a couple of Scriptures.

Joh 14:6 Yeshua saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Messiah is the Truth, Gods word is the Truth, Yeshua is Gods word. The Torah is spiritual, holy, just and good. Yeshua is the Torah incarnate. They are one and the same. Echad.

Please note, that when I say Torah, I speak expressly of the 'Teachings/ Instructions' of God.

So, the long and short, Salvation is through Yeshua, which is also the Torah. 'If thou wilt enter into life, keep the Commandments.' Matt 19:17.

The promise, which was Messiah, was fulfilled because of Abrahams Obediance.

We are all saved by grace, just like Adam was, and Abraham, and Noah, and Moses, and David, and Daniel...do you get my point? Good :wave:

At the very least, this is what the Scripture saith to me.

regards,

Matt James

[Charles YTK]

I too would like to post a verse or two.


2 Cor 3:
4 Such is the confidence we have through the Messiah toward God. 5 It is not that we are competent in ourselves to count anything as having come from us; on the contrary, our competence is from God. 6 He has even made us competent to be workers serving a New Covenant, the essence of which is not a written text but the Spirit. For the written text brings death, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if that which worked death, by means of a written text engraved on stone tablets, came with glory—such glory that the people of Israel could not stand to look at Moshe’s face because of its brightness, even though that brightness was already fading away— 8 won’t the working of the Spirit be accompanied by even greater glory? 9For if there was glory in what worked to declare people guilty, how much more must the glory abound in what works to declare people innocent! 10 In fact, by comparison with this greater glory, what was made glorious before has no glory now. 11 For if there was glory in what faded away, how much more glory must there be in what lasts.
12 Therefore, with a hope like this, we are very open— 13 unlike Moshe, who put a veil over his face, so that the people of Israel would not see the fading brightness come to an end.
14 What is more, their minds were made stonelike; for to this day the same veil remains over them when they read the Old Covenant; it has not been unveiled, because only by the Messiah is the veil taken away. 15 Yes, till today, whenever Moshe is read, a veil lies over their heart. 16 "But," says the Torah, "whenever someone turns to Adonai, the veil is taken away." 17 Now, "Adonai" in this text means the Spirit. And where the Spirit of Adonai is, there is freedom. 18 So all of us, with faces unveiled, see as in a mirror the glory of the Lord; and we are being changed into his very image, from one degree of glory to the next, by Adonai the Spirit.

[Tishri1]

Right on Vis, :thumbsup:I thought this poll would be cool to have around so people will know the truth about what we all personally believe here:amen::clap:bump:wave:

[MattyJames]

I too would like to post a verse or two.


2 Cor 3:
4 Such is the confidence we have through the Messiah toward God. 5 It is not that we are competent in ourselves to count anything as having come from us; on the contrary, our competence is from God. 6 He has even made us competent to be workers serving a New Covenant, the essence of which is not a written text but the Spirit. For the written text brings death, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if that which worked death, by means of a written text engraved on stone tablets, came with glory—such glory that the people of Israel could not stand to look at Moshe’s face because of its brightness, even though that brightness was already fading away— 8 won’t the working of the Spirit be accompanied by even greater glory? 9For if there was glory in what worked to declare people guilty, how much more must the glory abound in what works to declare people innocent! 10 In fact, by comparison with this greater glory, what was made glorious before has no glory now. 11 For if there was glory in what faded away, how much more glory must there be in what lasts.
12 Therefore, with a hope like this, we are very open— 13 unlike Moshe, who put a veil over his face, so that the people of Israel would not see the fading brightness come to an end.
14 What is more, their minds were made stonelike; for to this day the same veil remains over them when they read the Old Covenant; it has not been unveiled, because only by the Messiah is the veil taken away. 15 Yes, till today, whenever Moshe is read, a veil lies over their heart. 16 "But," says the Torah, "whenever someone turns to Adonai, the veil is taken away." 17 Now, "Adonai" in this text means the Spirit. And where the Spirit of Adonai is, there is freedom. 18 So all of us, with faces unveiled, see as in a mirror the glory of the Lord; and we are being changed into his very image, from one degree of glory to the next, by Adonai the Spirit.

We could debate for a long time on this one.

I simply dissagree with you Charles.

regards,

Matt James

[Steve Petersen]

As do I.