Would Messiah be a Judaist or a Christian?

[gage]

I have a question?
who is Messiah?Someone said Jesus is Messiah in Christianity,Someone said Jesus is not the Messiah in Judaism.If Messiah come of,would Messiah be a Judaist or a Christian?could a Judaist & a Christian select Messiah?In other words,Have peoples the right(select Messiah)?Below is the standard of Moshiach in Judaism:
• The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with “fear of G-d”. (Isaiah 11:2)
• Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership. (Isaiah 11:4)
• He will be descended from David HaMelech (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)
• Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4).
• He will be a messenger of peace. (Isaiah 52:7)
• There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8 ).
• Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
• Knowledge of G-d will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9).
• The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23).
• All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19).
• Jews will have returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
• The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11).
• The Sanhedrin will be re-established. (Isaiah 1:26)
• The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55).
• The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvos.
• The whole world will worship the One G-d of Israel. (Isaiah 2:17)
I wish get a right key.
Regards
gage

[Steve Petersen]

Messiah in modern Judaism

Judaism today exhibits a wide variety of beliefs about Messiah ranging from outright disbelief in his existence to passionate affirmation of his speedy appearance. Among those who believe in the coming of Messiah exist the predominant notions that he will resurrect the dead, gather the exiles, rebuild the Temple, and subjugate the heathen nations. He will be the Davidic King par excellance. Thus in rabbinical literature this Messiah is frequently referred to as Mashiach ben David, or Messiah, son of David.

One of the reasons modern Judaism rejects Yeshua is because he did not fulfill the Davidic aspects of the messianic expectation.

The Other Messiah

But there is another Messiah mentioned in Jewish literature, one who is a dramatic contrast to the Son of David. This Messiah would reveal himself and gather disciples in the Upper Galilee, would be pierced by Rome (Armilus), suffer and die for the sins of his people, would be mourned, and ultimately be resurrected. He is called Mashiach ben Yosef, Messiah, son of Joseph (also referred to as Ephraim who was the son of the patriarch Joseph.)

A touching dialogue between G-d and Messiah is found in Pesiqta Rabbati, a medieval midrash (legend or story). G-d is speaking to Messiah:

‘Their sins will be upon you like a yoke of iron. They will choke your spirit. Because of their sins, your tongue will cleave to the roof of your mouth. Do you accept this? If not, I will remove the decree from you .

The Messiah replies: Master of the worlds, how long will this last?

G-d replies: Ephraim, my true Messiah, ever since the six days of creation you have taken this ordeal upon yourself. At this moment, your pain is My pain.

Messiah replies: Master of the worlds, I accept this with gladness in my soul, and joy in my heart, so that not a single one of the house of Israel should perish. Not only for those alive, but also the dead. It is enough for the servant to be like the Master.’ 161a-b

‘In that hour, the Holy One, blessed be He, says to him: “Ephraim, my true Messiah you have already accepted [this suffering] from the six days of Creation. Now your suffering shall be like my suffering.” In that hour he says before Him: “Master of the World! Now my mind is at rest, for it is sufficient for the servant to be like his Master!’ 162a

He IS a Judaist. If he were here today, I suspect he would be hanging out with the Lubavitchers.

[Charles YTK]

Yeshua never started a new religion nor negated Torah. He fully established Gods authority. His teachings and cutoms were fully in alignment with the Pharisaical Jews of the 2nd temple period. I do not believe any of that will change. Yeshua the Messiah is Jewish. However the Judaism of his time was Temple Judaism and not Rabbinical Judaism, so there will be changes back toward that as we see in Ezekiel 40-48 and others.IMMHO

[insaneinthebrain]

and gather disciples in the Upper Galilee
Just out of curiousity, where is this predicted?

[Steve Petersen]

Just out of curiousity, where is this predicted?

In a responsum written by Hai Gaon. I believe he derived it from the Zohar.

[insaneinthebrain]

In a responsum written by Hai Gaon. I believe he derived it from the Zohar.
Found it!

http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/jcreeves/resphaigaon.htm
At that time [at God’s instigation] there shall arise from among the descendants of Joseph a man who will be called the Lord’s Messiah, and many people will assemble around him in Upper Galilee, and he will become their ruler. Other people will continue gathering themselves to him, two or three coming from this province, and four or five from that one. Regarding this time Scripture states: ‘I will take you—one from a city, and two from a family’ (Jer 3:14). However, most of Israel will remain in their places of exile, for they will not realize that the appointed time has come.

[Sephania]

‘I will take you—one from a city, and two from a family’

One from a city - Judas Iscariot = "men of Kerioth" Kerioth a city in Southern Judea



Two from a family - And Yeshua, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brothers, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.

And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.

[gage]

Thank you Mr.Steve Petersen,thanks All
I have read the 【RESPONSUM OF R. HAI GAON ON THE TOPIC OF REDEMPTION】 of that link which Mr.insaneinthebrain adhered,I have known there would be two Messiah,of the lineage of Joseph and the lineage of David.I have other question:Which Messiah would be King?and which nation's King would Messiah be?He is Israel's King?Because the standard said:
• Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4).
Regards
Gage