[open] Newton's Calculations

[visionary]

Did you know that Isaac Newton predicted the start of Armageddon would happen in the year 2006? He somehow calculated the precise year from the biblical research he did in the 17th century.
http://www.triumphpro.com/2006,_bible_codes,_newton.htm


UCLA Professor Richard Popkin notes that a little-known revolutionary innovation of Newton was to use astronomy to scientifically verify and validate the time-frame of Biblical events in history. He used astronomical discoveries and constructed a chronology of events based upon the positions of the stars described in Scripture and other ancient writings. He came to the conclusion that the Bible is the oldest historical document and is historically accurate. More accurate than Greek, Egyptian, or Babylonian histories. Newton proved Biblical history to be accurate, and claimed that this meant that God had presented His message from the very beginning of the world through the history of the Hebrews, and through their prophetic insights given to them (Moore, p.523, Popkins, Essays on the Context, Nature and Influence of Newton’s Theology, p.111).Because of my interest in Jubilee and its cycle I found this interesting....
The Bible codes point to the year 2006 as being very significant. Sir Isaac Newton’s research also points to the year 2006 as being the beginning of the countdown to “Armageddon.” The Jewish Jubilee cycles point to the year 2012 as being a Jubilee Year (counted from the inheritance of Canaan in the days of Joshua), and the Messiah is prophesied to return on a Jubilee Year (compare Acts 3:19-21; Lev.25:8-11;... )Isaac Newton's papers are kept at the Jerusalem University and it would be fascinating to study what this man "saw" in his study of scriptures.
The ninth chapter of Daniel tells us of a final “week of years” which will occur leading up to the coming of the Messiah (Dan.9:24-26) – a seven year period of great troubles (Dan.12:1). If 2012 is the year of the return, then 2006 would be the first of the final seven years preceding Messiah’s grand entrance! And Mayan chronology points to the year of 2012 as being the end of a “world age” and beginning of a new age!
How did Newton arrive at the year 2006? According to Springstein, Newton’s year 2006 is the culmination of 1260 years of ongoing apostasy. The number 1260 is mentioned in Revelation 12:6 as a period of persecution equal to “times, a time, and half a time” (Rev.12:14-16) – the same as “42 months” (Rev.13:5). This equals 3 ½ years of 360 days each (the original Biblical year). 3 ½ such years would equal 1260 years; 7 such years would equal 2,520 years. (Write for our article, “Daniel 9 and the Proof of the Messiah”.)



Interestingly, if we count back 2520 years from 2006, we arrive at the date 515 B.C. That is the very year that construction of the Second Temple was finished under the governor Zerubabbel in ancient Judea! Construction began in 520 B.C. (Haggai 1:7-15). It was completed on the third day of the month of Adar (Ezra 6:15), in 515 B.C. 2520 years from that pivotal date brings us to 2006 A.D.!

[HadassahSukkot]

I guess we'll see, won't we?

[Charles YTK]

As you know Vis, I have been speaking about the fall feast days of 2006 for quite some time. There are several things in the scriptures that point to this time.

The one thing that I was not able to resolve in advance in 1996 when I published my findings was wheter the Tribulaion would end on the 2006 date or if it would be the beginning of it. The indication favored that it would begin in 2006.

The actual tribulation is 1290 days long, and should begin on Passover and end with the return of the Lord on Yom Teruah, (Trumpets). However I believe the Gog-Magog war preceeds the Tribulaion and may account for the remainder of the 7 year block of time. If that is the case, then the 7 years which represent the 70th week would begin at Trumpets. And this is the year of interest. and then the 1290 days begin just before Passover 2010.

And the Lords return Trumpets 2013

These are not dates I would sware to. Just pointing out days of inerest, things to keep an eye open for.

Trumets is Sept 22 this year.

[visionary]

I with you Charles, the more I study the subject, the more I am fascinated with this time frame for the book of revelation and daniel to be open up and upon us like we have never seen the likes before nor will again. Somewhere in all this time frame is the astroid that will have devistation effects upon the world too. Which I have a personal theory of 2009-2012???give or take a few years... I am not interested in being definitive, unless the Lord takes me up into His courts and walks me through the end time events, then I will speak what I have seen. After all the Lord did invite us up... three times in Rev with His "come hither" invitation.

Re 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Re 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Re 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

[Charles YTK]

I with you Charles, the more I study the subject, the more I am fascinated with this time frame for the book of revelation and daniel to be open up and upon us like we have never seen the likes before nor will again. Somewhere in all this time frame is the astroid that will have devistation effects upon the world too. Which I have a personal theory of 2009-2012???give or take a few years... I am not interested in being definitive, unless the Lord takes me up into His courts and walks me through the end time events, then I will speak what I have seen. After all the Lord did invite us up... three times in Rev with His "come hither" invitation.
Hi Vis,

When looking at the revelation the removal of the righteous (Resurrection and Rapture) takes place with the 6th seal which is the end of the Tribulation.

The events of the 6th seal are

Sun and moon are darkened

Men of the earth call out to the rocks to hide them from the one they see sitting on the throne (Yeshua)

The 144,000 are sealed with immortality

(the Two witnesses aised up detailed in another chapter but the same point in time)

A great multitude from every nation tribe and language is seen in heaven, and John is told that they are those who are out of the Great Tribulation.

No compare that to what Yeshua told us:

MT 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The seals speak of the Church and what the beleivers will experiece before the Lord returns.

Trumpets is about what the unsaved world will experience

Bowls is about what those in the beast empire will experience.

Each of those judgments has the sun and moon darkened and is the point in time that synchronizes everything.

Chapter 12-14 is the sealed books of Daniel opened up, the closed chapters which is about the history of salvation through the history of Israel, beginning with the Woman with 12 stars (Israel) who gives birth to a son (Yeshua.)

Chap 18 is the details of the destruction of the beast empire Babylon the Harlot

19 is Armageddon
20 about the New Kingdom of Messiah being established, the coronaion of the King.

[Charles YTK]

Vis answering this separately:

Re 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.


When John is given the vision he actually is taken to the already reigning Messiah after all the tribulation is finished. He sees the Lord gloriously ruling on the throne. And then he is told that he is going to be shown what must take place to get from his own time in the 1st century, to where this scene in heaven is played out. Actually the word in the original is means,, I will show you what must soon come to pass with ever increasing speed (my paraphrase) John begins his testimony by saying that he was praying and in the spirit he was taken to the day of the Lord. In other words he was taken in the spirit beyond time and space to the day of God's wrath and victory over his enemies.

And that is what the rest of the visons are about, things that will quickly take place to bring about the destruction of evil and the Kingship of Yeshua.

[visionary]

When John is given the vision he actually is taken to the already reigning Messiah after all the tribulation is finished. He sees the Lord gloriously ruling on the throne. And then he is told that he is going to be shown what must take place to get from his own time in the 1st century, to where this scene in heaven is played out. Actually the word in the original is means,, I will show you what must soon come to pass with ever increasing speed (my paraphrase) John begins his testimony by saying that he was praying and in the spirit he was taken to the day of the Lord. In other words he was taken in the spirit beyond time and space to the day of God's wrath and victory over his enemies.That has been the answer for centuries, but let's face it, the opening of the book has a very strong emphasis on the latter days and the understanding that comes with the latter rain. When you read chapter 10 where the book is opened... the Lord said that it will be sweet to eat and bitter to the stomach and to go and prophecy "again"... which to me speaks of a repeat, with a louder voice... and more impact on the last generation... then chapter 11 goes right to the two witnesses ( Feast of trumpets can not start without them) and the powerful witnessing they do for the three and 1/2 years.

[Charles YTK]

Vis,

Are you saying Yeshua was wrong about how the events will unfold?

[Charles YTK]

Vis,

Chapter 11 is about the ministry of the two witnesses during the tribulation. They are the battle commanders for the Lord. He speaks to them just as the Lord spoke to Moshe and Aaron, and they prophesy what plague is coming next so that it is not misaken as natural events. They put God's fingerprint on it by telling the world ahead of time what is going to take place. Now look at what they call into action;Cause drought, turn the waters to blood,smite he earth with plagues, and all the things that have just been explained in the trumpes and will again be seen in the bowls. Chapter 11 John is being shown how these disasters of the trumpets will be implimented by God through two witnesses. Notice that in the 6th trumpet we are already drying up the river Euphrate and brining in the 200 million who will die at Armageddon. The Angel is going back and telling John what role the witnesses have in all this.

The Revelation is not serial in nature, it is set of Parallel prophecies that speak of the same events from different perspectives. If it were serial one event followed by another all the way through, then we have Chapter 12 which begins with Israel (the woman with the 12 stars which are the 12 tribes) who gives birth to Messiah who is caught up to heaven but who is to rule over the nations with a rod of Iron. Messiah is not going to be be born after Armageddon is he? Certainly not. In Chapter 12,14 John is opening those lost pages of Daniel and picking up the same "beasts" imagery and telling us what Daniel saw but was not allowed to reveal until the end times, and it is a review of the history of salvation through Israel. It recovers the story through the eyes of Israel from the birth of Yeshua to Amageddon.

Chapter 12 begins with John saying he was shown a great wonder in heaven, a vision, a story. and that vision ends with Chapter 14. Then in Chapter 15 he says "And I saw another sign in heaven". He is being shown another detail, not a continuation of the previous. And 15-18 deals with the destruction of the Harlot beast empire and it destruction, the plagues that were sen in Trumpets are now being shown to us from ground zero, where the destruction is the greatest. Same events, diferent view, closer to the center of where it is all taking place.

[visionary]

Vis,

Are you saying Yeshua was wrong about how the events will unfold?I am disappointed in you Charles, for all the time we have been together, one thing you should know by now is that I firmly believe that Yeshua is never wrong. How we humans understand prophecies and the order of events are however up to interpretation.

Revelation is like a rose unfolding. Poor illustration but.. visualize this. Take a move picture of the unfurling rose and draw horizontal lines through it, each representing the human time line. From the tight bud as each seal (pedal) is unfurled, we can admire the beauty of the development and understanding. Since different messages are written on each, so are the events that unfold with it. As the petal unfolds from one timeline to the next, it is not the message that changes, but how it affects each living in their time line.

Since it has to be visualized from the heavenly perspective, see the messages as current. If one thing is true is that history does repeat itself and it gets louder and louder.

Study of scriptures is to teach us that like days of old, the unfolding pattern is the same, and in the last days it will be rapid ones. Picture yourself in heaven watching our last couples of days(two thousand years), like a dvd on fast forward, where pictures flash by, which lived took decades to experience, now the dvd is caught up to the place where the final scenes are and where we are in the picture.

We are to remember the history to know what has gone on before so that we may also recognise the final players and understand what is before us. Revelation is written in such a manner that it is the messages has its presence in the "now" of every generation and the effect of the understanding of the "now" effects of it give blessings and hope to the generation living in it.

Being a scholar such as yourself, I know your vast knowledge of human interpretations presented over the years has influenced your understanding of Revelation just as it has mine. I had to cast all this historical understanding at the feet of Yeshua and humble ask for Him to teach. It is not what is taught.

"again" is needed to be understood. "come Hither" is an invitation for us today. Just as " Behold I stand at the door, anyone who hears my voice and opens the door, I will sup with them" is an invitation for today, for anyone who wants to experience a personal one on one with the Lord.

[visionary]

the woman with the 12 starsThis could very well be more than a human event, it could be a astrological event pin pointing a time frame. The language of the Bible has a way of leading unsuspecting readers into thinking it was recording human historical events when, in reality, it was referring to the patterns of the stars. The twelve tribes of Israel each has a sign for their tribe, which corresponded to the different position of the patterns seen in the heavenly stars in their seasons. God’s plan is written in the stars. He reveals his plan by the way he moves the stars and planets.

Illustration..

The King James Version of Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. (Matt. 28:20 KJV)

It was a misinterpretation. According to the authoritative Strong’s Dictionary, “world” was mistranslated from the Greek, aion<, meaning “an age”. Ignorant of astrology, Strong’s goes on to say aion implies “world”. There are some powerful differences between world and age.

New International Version gets it right with “age”.

20teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the end of the age.” (Matt. 28:20 NIV)

"the end of age" is an astrological term.

The sun entered the Age of Pisces (fishers of men) at 6 BCE. 2160 years before, the sun was in the Age of Aries.

the Age of Aries was marked in the Old Testament by the Passover lamb.

21Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover. (Ex. 12:21)

2160 years after Pisces, about 2012 CE, it will be the Age of Aquarius.

A water-bearer (Aquarius) is next to enter the arena, pouring out an endless supply of water. Is that not a picture of the milinium with Yeshua, as we gather at the river of life? During the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles, on the eighth day, it was customary to celebrate the giving of water.

It is in connection with the Feast of Tabernacles and this eighth day that the gospel of John records a fascinating event. The Son of God was saying in the clearest possible way that He alone was the source of life and blessing; that He could meet every need of the human heart. Doesn’t that remind you of Rev 22: 2 where we are brought to the throne of God?

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Joel 2:23-29, Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for He hath given you the former rain moderately, and He will cause to come down for you the rain, the former [spring] rain, and the latter rain in the first month [of the civil year]. And the floors shall be full of wheat . . . . And I will restore . . . that the locust hath eaten . . . . And ye shall eat in plenty . . . . . 28 After I have poured out my rains again, I will pour out My Spirit upon all of you! Your sons and daughters will prophesy; your old men will dream dreams, and your young men see visions. And I will pour out My Spirit even on your slaves .

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)


As the fish cannot survive outside the water, so this symbolism states that an individual is unable to survive outside the pouring of the Holy Spirit

Rarely considered, but there in plain sight in scriptures is the other book written in the skies since the beginning.

for those interested in learning more about the stories the stars tell....

http://www.atlbible.org/astronomy/biblical.htm

[Charles YTK]

Hey Vis,

I didn't mean it as an insult. I undestand what you are saying. The Revelation works at all sorts of different levels. And the overall message and the inviation is constant. Repent and come to me, beore these awful things happen.

I would say though that my interpretation is not at all like those of the past. I did the same thing as you, tossed out all that I had read, most of which was pretrib linear-serial, all the traditional things. I saw something much different than others before me because I used the Old testament and the words of Yeshua to realign what was written. And that is how I found total agreement between the old testament and the new in regards to the end times. There is complete agreement. This agreement is lost in traditional views that are mostly Christian in doctrine, and based on antisemitic replacementism. I don't think God changed the plan and in the last moment revealed something completely different to John, you know what I mean? I think John's writing supports and brings together what God had revealed in pieces over millenia to the prophets of those times. So the story is the same when it is brought together. If we see it as a change, then God goofed and changed his mind, which I think unlikely.

It's just my opinion here, and not trying to invalidate anything you said. I like the rose bud example. Only instead of a horizontal line, I would draw a spiral. I have descibed the revelation and a telephoto lense that zooms in and out to see the different details in different areas, First a broad view and then a close up.

In time we are going to see it all as current events or as history as we go past the events. When the two witnesses show up and begin prophesying and calling down judgments in the name of the Holy One we know where we are in the book. When the Euphrates dries up and a huge army from the East comes toward the valley of Mediggo, we know where to find our places.

On that note it is interesting that in our own time they have built a huge dam that for the first time in history can control the Euphrates and dry it up.

[Charles YTK]

SO perhaps the age is the progression of the Zodiak. I have read some of the Biblical Astronomy materials. This makes some impressive alignmens with some earth changes like the flood and such.

Yeshua said "If any man thirst lest him come to me and from his inner most parts will flow rivers of living water."

The water pouring ceremony which takes place each day and becomes a huge event on the last day of Tabernacles is focused not only on the need for anual rainfall but also is the Messianic expectation, because when Messiah comes, it is said that water will spring up in the dry places, just as Moshe brought forth water in the wilderness. And it also says that in the times of Messiah water will flow from Tzion and out of the city and water the dry lands. We see that image repeated in the Revelation. All these are Messianic symbols. So Yeshua was saying in this announcement in no uncertain terms, "I AM the Messiah you have waited for." When all this is happening the people are waving willow and palm braches swishing them back and for making the sound of wind, like the spirit is wind, and singing "Hoshana, Hoshana to the son of David", which is a call to God "send the Messiah, the son of David to save us now." Yeshua is saying I am that son of David.

It is very interesting that in the time of the Passover just 6 months later, when Yeshua comes into Jerusalem on the Donkey, the people immediately recognize him because of this entry and once again they grab up palm branches and are singing "Hoshana to the son of David", something that is not associated with the Passover but is part of Tabernacles. The people are pledging thier faith that he is indeed the Messiah and asking him to take the office of their King, "Finish what you began on Tabernacles." This of course infuriated Herod because he had for years tried to become King. He wasn't king, but only a Roman puppet. In fact he was not even Jewish when it come right down to it and certainly not from the tribe of Judah. He had no claim to the throne but was trying to get Rome to make him such. So in his mind, Yeshua had to die to be prevented from becoming King by the uprising of the masses proclaiming his as such. This is why we see a Tabernacles event, (he palms and Hoshana) in the Passover where it does no belong.

[visionary]

This is why we see a Tabernacles event, (he palms and Hoshana) in the Passover where it does no belong.This is an excellent example of why the Hebrew perspective brings light where the gentiles guessed or glossed over as trivil info.

[visionary]

It's just my opinion here, and not trying to invalidate anything you said. I like the rose bud example. Only instead of a horizontal line, I would draw a spiral. I have descibed the revelation and a telephoto lense that zooms in and out to see the different details in different areas, First a broad view and then a close up. See, here you go and improve on what I was trying to creat when it comes to visuals... thank you.