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Homie
26th January 2003, 07:39 PM
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mat 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
What!? Has he only come for Israelites? And are the rest of us dogs? Are we not worthy of his salvation?
Help a brother understand the scriptures
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Live4Jesus
26th January 2003, 08:06 PM
Well originally Jesus did only come for the Jews, but since so few of them accepted him and then they crucified him even, God gave him the gentiles as a reward as well... something like that...
dignitized
26th January 2003, 09:04 PM
Lets not forget that Matthew was written to the Jews - The chosen of Jehovah. Do not forget that a gentiles salvation comes through being grafted into the vine which is Israel.
Live4Jesus
26th January 2003, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by Br. Max
Lets not forget that Matthew was written to the Jews - The chosen of Jehovah. Do not forget that a gentiles salvation comes through being grafted into the vine which is Israel.
Good point... further stated like this:
Do not forget that a gentiles salvation comes through being grafted into the vine which is Israel and not vice versa.
Andrew
26th January 2003, 10:18 PM
The Jews regard Gentiles (non-Jew race) as "dogs"/outcasts. The order of things was that although Jesus wld die for the whole world, the preaching of the Gospel wld go to the Jews first, becos they are the chosen ppl of God. The Israelites rejected Jesus but the Gentiles gladly received him. Once you receive Jesus, you are no longer Jew or Gentile but the beloved church/bride of Christ.
The Gentile woman in that story asked for something that was not for her time yet, but Jesus honoured her faith nonetheless. The bread represents the Word or healing, and it was/wld be given to the gentiles too.
at the time when Jesus was ministering to the Jews, the gentiles were already receiving the spillover crumbs eg the Roman centurion whose servant was healed, and this gentile woman in question.
it does not mean that the gentiles get the leftover. it just means it was not time yet, yet there were crumbs spilling off for the gentiles.
God then raised Paul to preach to the gentiles. And Paul had more revelation than the other Apostles.
tht's the jist of it. :)
hugoguttman
27th January 2003, 12:00 AM
Oh boy... That was a doubt I had when I recently accepted Jesus in my life. We are dogs... I used to say. But let me tell you that God had a perfect plan. That plan consist in make Israel to reject Jesus to save the world, as itīs written in John 1:11
1He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.
Jesus said something about us in John 10:16
16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
and as you can see even in Mathew 28:19-20 says:
9Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[1] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
But that was said when He had already resurrected.
Glory to Jesus.
Pax.
Hugo.
:D
Homie
27th January 2003, 11:36 AM
Lets not forget that Matthew was written to the Jews
So Matthew got it wrong? Jesus never said that? That would be saying the Bible is false and I do not believe it.
Hugo, so in John 10:16 he calls us sheep, we are equals to the Jews. But in
Matt 15:26 he calls us dogs in comparison to children (the Jews). Sure the Jews saw the rest as dogs but, but Jesus? What are we, sheep or dogs?
sbbqb7n16
27th January 2003, 08:45 PM
There is a parable in Matthew 22 about this exact question. The first invited guests were the Jews (to whom Jesus was originally sent). Read the parable and you should see what the situation is.
dignitized
28th January 2003, 01:43 AM
homie: andrew said it pretty well. :)
4Jesus
5th February 2003, 11:42 PM
Don't forget what the Syro Phonecian woman said, " even the dogs eat the scraps from the masters table," and she was healed because Jesus had not seen such faith in Israel!
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