A call to urgency (Now THIS will get your attention!)

[supermagdalena]

This was shared at my church a couple of weeks ago.


Brian Warner had joined a youth group, but he was a sort of outcast in it. I mean, the youth pastor would talk to him for a little, but then he would go talk to the more popular and more responsive kids. So Brian never got plugged in to this youth group, and never really was made to feel welcome.

One day, the youth group to a trip to an amusement park. The youth director announced once they had arrived for everyone to pair off. Soon, everyone had a partner. Except for one. No one would be a partner to Brian Warner. Soon after that, he left the youth group.

Years later, the old director had retired and a kid that was formally in the youth group had taken over. One day, the old director got a call from the new director. The new director said,

"Hey, do you remember that kid that was in our youth program a couple of years ago? Brian Warner? He wasn't really popular or anything."

"Yeah," the old director replied. "Vaguely."

"Well," the new one began, "He isn't called Brian Warner anymore."

"No?" The old director was confused. "What is he called?"

"Marilyn Manson."

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

How does this make you feel? If one person in that youth group had dared to go against the flow, dared to reach out a helping hand to poor searching Brian Warner, then maybe he wouldn't have become Marilyn Manson. Maybe, just maybe, instead of having a violent persecutor of the Christian faith, we would've had a man on fire for God, passionately promoting it, declaring it to the world. All it took was one person to say a kind word, or befriend him. Or stand up and volunteer to be his partner. But no one did. And it changed the entire course of hundreds of peoples' lives.

[lindalou40]

Somehow it doesn't surprise me, if this story is true.

On one hand, to blame the youth group for what he has become is wrong. Only he is responsible for his actions.

However, scripture is clear that we are known by our love. Our agape love. Or should I say,, we should be known by our love. Too often, it is so easy to ignore the unlovable. I know. I hve ignored and I have been ignored.

This is one reason why I do not attend a church now. Although I homeschool using rthe Bible as our mainn curriculum and I lvoe the Lord Jesus, I have no desire to be affiliated with "church".

Just my two cents.

Linda

[Blynn]

Hello,

I am by no means a Marylin Manson expert, but I just got done watching a show about his early life on MTV. I shut it off during the later years because it was gross.

Anyhow I watched it out of curiosity because I wanted to see what kind of childhood he had.

He went to a parochial school up until the 10th grade. He asked his parents to take him out because he did not fit in. He went to public school after that. Didn't fit in there either.

The only comment that was made was when he would try to participate in class the teacher would always shoot him down for his ideas.

He was heavily into the game "Dungeons and Dragons" and heavy metal.

His mom bought him and his friends beer when he was 16 because she figured he would do it anyway so it would be better if it was done supervised. :confused:

Anyhow he did not have a christian influence in his home.

Had to throw in my two cents. Like I said I just watched this about an hour ago.


God Bless,
Roberta

[Egoinos]

Whats wrong with beer at 16? We can legally drink beer/cider with a meal at 16 - though not by itself until 18. I don't think drinking at 16 is going to have been a major factor in his life, somehow.

[Blynn]

Hi Egoinos,

In the United States the legal drinking age is 21.

If as a parent I give alcohol to a minor I am breaking the law.

I think it shows a lot about his parents. This is not responsible behavior.


God Bless,
Roberta

[rkbo]

I think we are overlooking something here. I can't imagine a person recieving the Holy Spirit and being abandoned by God. God would make sure that someone was there to nurture him.

Saying this I mean to imply that he was not saved. He probably was rebelious and may even had been disrutive. I don't know this for sure. Anyhow his spiritual choices are his own resposiblity.

I don't mean to say christians should not reach out to all people but I don't think we should be too hard on that youth group.

Just my 2 cents.

[Mike K]

Whether the story is true or not, we do overlook people. We're human. I think a kind word, a friendly smile, a sincere "how are you" goes a lot further than a sermon can ever reach.

We can't be too hard on the youth group without taking a look at ourselves. Each of us find ourselves looking for the big "thing" for God. We all want to do something great for the kingdom, and that's O.K., but sometimes we overlook the things right in front of our noses. The really sad part is that it's usually people.

mk

[supermagdalena]

I'm pretty sure he was not saved. What breaks my heart is that, someone slipped through the cracks. What bugs me even more is that i don't know if I would've had to courage to help him. I'm not blaming the youth group, they just did what everyone else, including me, would've most likely done. This is just a call to urgency: the outcasts of society matter too. Some of us don't realize this until it's too late. I want to prevent this. Ever since i heard this story i have been ministering to even the weirdest people i know in my school (anarchists, heathenist) because everyone can be saved. As Christians we are called to love our neighbor. This is the one rule we break too often...and now that i realize that i am guilty of sitting by and watching, and even sometimes joining in, i feel like crying. That's why i posted this. It's a call to conviction, no one's placing blame. But there are other Brian Warners out there that we still have contact with everyday. I want to encourage people to have to courage to stand up for anyone, so matter the personal cost.

[JohnR7]

>>"Marilyn Manson."

I do not know what a Marilyn Manson is, but I actually prefer to associate with the so called unloveable people, that most people avoid. Look at it this way. Let's say we have 100 people who are going on a 10 mile march. You know that there are going to be people out ahead of the rest, but there are going to be people dragging behind. I would rather help the people who are dragging behind, because the march is not over tell the last person gets there. That is the way it is with Heaven.

[Sharptee]

SuperMagelene, I am glad you shared about Marilyn Manson ~ it is sad and when I read it I thought about several of the kids I knew in school and how they were "put down". And even kids in church, and in christian schools ~ these are places that parents bring their kids to hoping that they will be given positive influenced.
JohnR7 your post is really good. I picture the Lord Jesus, the friend of sinners, looking for the loner, the unpopular, the one who is not really accepted by the members of the youth group. Those are the ones that I picture the Lord would seek out and lift up.
If I were a youth pastor I would make sure that the cliques, those high brow exclusive circle of friends, learn and see what it is to love as Jesus loved.

[solo66 man]

I understand completely what you are saying. I believe the pastor
was over a flock of lambs and did not oversee it according to the Holy Spirit. He should have taken the lonely, the one with a seperate life under his wing and made him part of the flock. Then
Brian would have seen the love of Christ and his life would have been possibly one of beautiful Worship instead of defiance and striking back. Very sad. :(

Originally posted by supermagdalena

How does this make you feel? If one person in that youth group had dared to go against the flow, dared to reach out a helping hand to poor searching Brian Warner, then maybe he wouldn't have become Marilyn Manson. Maybe, just maybe, instead of having a violent persecutor of the Christian faith, we would've had a man on fire for God, passionately promoting it, declaring it to the world. All it took was one person to say a kind word, or befriend him. Or stand up and volunteer to be his partner. But no one did. And it changed the entire course of hundreds of peoples' lives.

[Blynn]

Supermagdelena,


I think that this is a wake up call too.

I think it is also a message to parents. You cannot just drop your kids off at church, sunday school or even just send them to a christian school. You are responsible for their spiritual life too.

I watched the biography and his parents gave the ok to alcohol and the dungeon and dragons they allowed parties in their home. :(

Coming from a non-christian home myself my own parents allowed me to drink at a young age. I even drank with them. At the time I thought it was cool but it was wrong and the message that is sent........"I do not really care about you" :(

God Bless,
Roberta

[Debbie]

I know many people in my life who look at someone & say to themselves, "OH they arn't saved", & then they go about their fellowship with other Christians.
Looking down your nose at someone you don't think is saved is not discipleship. Very few Christians practice discipleship, of the ones I know.
God never turns his back on anyone, humans turn their back on God.
It is likely that a person can have faith in Jesus as a new immature CHristian, then be mistreated by judgemental Christians, and being unknowledgeable, turn their back on God & choose a different path.
What purpose does a Christian serve who only associates with other Christians? They serve their own purpose of building up their own faith, joy, love, & false peace.
thankyou for reminding me of my purpose.

[swish8]

i'd like to comment on two issues raised in this thread:

#1 the point, whether the story is true or not, is that we (christians) do join together in clicks, etc.....shunning the less out-going, or whatever. i can relate to what lindalou40 said about churches too. we moved to a new community over 2 years ago. my wife & i, are an average 40 something couple and have been to most of the churches in town at one point or another and have yet to find ourselves feeling welcome in any of them. i think that it is bizarre. we have kind of gotten out of the habit of going...or trying to go to church. we watch preachers on tv on sun morning.
something is wrong here......

#2 about the beer thing. i grew up in a loving home that thought it was a christian home (if you follow me). my mom, not my dad but my mom, used to buy beer for us (with our $$$) to consume at the tender age of 16 provided we stayed there and gave up all car keys. granted, the drinking age in NY state at that time was 18, but none the less, her thinking was that we would be out in our cars drinking and she felt that this was the safer of the two choices. she was right....that we would have been out drinking, and driving, etc. to this day, i believe that she ...... under the circumstances, and at that time did the right thing, even though i wouldn't even consider doing the same now. anyhow, neither i nor any of my friends from back then, became marylyn manson or anything like him/it. everyone pretty much grew up to be responsible adults.

i didn't make much of a point of any kind here....sorry....i am going to post this anyways. :confused:

peace<><

[supermagdalena]

Though I have many friends that are being raised in non-Christian households, I was blessed with two wonderful, Christian, righteous people for parents. I learned from a young age that I had to choose to accept Jesus, and they made sure I knew the facts, but still came to my own decision. This, I feel, is a great way to raise a child, and how I plan to raise my childre. My parents are the people I hold in the highest esteem. But I know that not everyone is raised this way from my friends with horrible home lives, and friends with parents who just don't care what they do.

Secondly, I learned the hard way how clicky some churches can be. I recently switched to a nondenominational church where a lot of my friends go, because the Methodist church I was going to was not sufficient. There was an almost non-existant youth group, and the youth was made up of two clicks, and even though I went there for almost 5 years, I never made more than two friends. So I finally got fed up and switched. This is why that story touched me so much, I know what it feels like to be rejected, because I have been, a LOT. I just ended up going to the different extreme, because of great parents and a wonderful moral structure in my home.

I have been so touched by this story, that I have done my best to change. I stopped joining in, and have even started to stand up a bit. Because that is what we are called to do, and that is what's important.

[SenseiPiccolo]

The Bible sys, He that knoweth to do good and doth is not, to him is sin.
and
Even the rightious man sinneth seven times in a day

I will try my best to live as Jesus did...
bit I wil fail--
only Jesus is perfect--
But thanks be to God through Jesus!!
If we call on Him, He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us fom all unrightiousbness
^_^

[Egoinos]

I've always wondered why people make such a fuss over D&D? Why should his mother be castigated for allowing him to have D&D parties at his house? Its just a game.

[Christsoldier]

Egoinos,
Dungeon and Dragons can be a bridge to the occult by assuming alter egos and asking for spirit guides and the like. I don't feel it's just a game. It may start out that way, but if you're in it long enough, it is more than just a game.

[Tinker Grey]

According to Snopes, this story is not true.

http://www.snopes2.com/music/artists/marilyn3.htm

The bottom line is that there have been 2 biographies about Manson, and he has given myriad interviews, and not one of these sources mentions this incident.

While there is a moral to the story that we might apply with respect to outcasts among us, we shouldn't spread falsehoods. This damages our credibility and ultimately the name of Jesus Christ.

Tinker

[Tinker Grey]

Oh ... I should make it clear that I don't believe that the intent of the OP was to "spread falsehoods". However, given the evidence you should hesitate before passing this story on.

Tinker

[Josephus]

It was in my hometown of Greeley, Colorado at the University of Northern Colorado that a young international student from Egypt was attending school in the hopes of finally seeing the 'real' America. He figured he'd want to check out a country-side middle-America 'Christian' town to see if it was true of the Islamic distaste for anything of western culture.

This muslim man, was invited to a 'Christian' dance party. What he saw there totally disgusted him.
He left believing that what one could see in New York and elsewhere is nearly universal in all American culture.

This happened in 1948. 10 years later he wrote a book which is now fundamental reading for Muslim radical groups wishing to prove American culture is of the devil... this man later went back to Egypt and published a book on Western culture and what he saw in Greeley, Colorado - a book which formed the foundation of other material now in the hands of muslim clerics and groups wishing to prove the ungodliness of Western society; a reading audience which included many terrorist organizations, including Al Qada, - and his books were found in the libraries of the terrorist suicide hijackers of September 11th.

What we do, no matter how 'innocent' we may think, we are God's light to other people. How that light displays itself is one that either people are attracted to, or abhor. I pray we make the right decisions in all the 'innocent' things we do.

<><
J

[Optimus_P]

IMHO i dont mind his music, but then again I like all sorts of metal, and i also play/played dungon and dragons. Growing up feeling as the "odd" one out it is hard to find yourself in a room filled with fog. Rejection can be good and bad it can really rip apart someones self assurance.

It would not suprise me if the story is true, look at his art that he makes. Its is very somber, as if he was calling out in fustration and confustion to find a hand to lead him through the forest.

[supermagdalena]

Shouldn't you more look at the point in the story rather than snooping out to see if it's true? I iknew when I posted it that it may not be entirely true, but i loved the message. It has a great point, please still try to get the moral here. our actions as Christians, every step we take matters. We have to watch what we do and say. Anyways, it still provides a good explaination for his acts.

[supermagdalena]

Also, just because this event has never been mentioned by him doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Snor Snor]

I think that should be in our prayers that we should not overlook the "outcast" of the group. Here's a story about God putting us in places to lift others up for those who are in dire need of it! :) My sister sent it to me, so I'm sorry for the >'s, but it's still pretty easy to read. Hope you like it!!!!!!

> > > > > One day, when I was a freshman in high school, I saw a kid from my
> >class
> > > > was
> > > > > walking home from school. His name was Kyle. It looked like he
was
> > > > > carrying all of his books. I thought to myself, "Why would anyone
> >bring
> > > > > home all his books on a Friday? He must
> > > > > really be a nerd."
> > > > >
> > > > > I had quite a weekend planned (parties and a football game with my
> > > friends
> > > > > tomorrow afternoon), so I shrugged my shoulders and went on.
> > > > >
> > > > > As I was walking, I saw a bunch of kids running toward him. They
> >ran
> >at
> > > > > him, knocking all his books out of his arms and tripping him so he
> > > landed
> > > > in
> > > > > the dirt. His glasses went flying, and I saw them land in the
grass
> > > about
> > > > > ten feet from him. He looked up and I saw this terrible sadness
in
> >his
> > > > > eyes. My heart went out to him. So, I jogged over to him and as
he
> > > > crawled
> > > > > around looking for his glasses, and I saw a tear in his eye. As I
> > > handed
> > > > > him his glasses, I said, "Those guys are jerks. They really
should
> >get
> > > > > lives."
> > > > >
> > > > > He looked at me and said, "Hey thanks!" There was a big smile on
> >his
> > > > face.
> > > > > It was one of those smiles that showed real gratitude. I helped
him
> > > pick
> > > > up
> > > > > his books, and asked him where he lived. As it turned out, he
lived
> > > near
> > > > > me, so I asked him why I had never seen him before. He said he
had
> >gone
> > > > to
> > > > > private school before now. I would have never hung out with a
> >private
> > > > > school kid before. We talked all the way home, and I carried some
> >of
> > > his
> > > > > books. He turned out to be a pretty cool kid. I asked him if he
> >wanted
> > > to
> > > > > play a little football with my friends. He said yes. We hung out
> >all
> > > > > weekend and the more I got to
> > > > > know Kyle, the more I liked him, and my friends thought the same
of
> >him.
> > > > >
> > > > > Monday morning came, and there was Kyle with the huge stack of
books
> > > > again.
> > > > > I stopped him and said, "Boy, you are gonna really build some
> >serious
> > > > > muscles with this pile of books everyday!" He just laughed and
> >handed
> > > me
> > > > > half the books.
> > > > >
> > > > > Over the next four years, Kyle and I became best friends. When we
> >were
> > > > > seniors, we began to think about college. Kyle decided on
> >Georgetown,
> > > > and
> > > > > I was going to Duke. I knew that we would always be friends, that
> >the
> > > > miles
> > > > > would never be a problem. He was going to be a doctor, and I was
> >going
> > > > for
> > > > > business on a football scholarship.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kyle was valedictorian of our class. I teased him all the time
> >about
> > > > being
> > > > > a nerd. He had to prepare a speech for graduation. I was so glad
> >it
> > > > wasn't
> > > > > me having to get up there and speak.
> > > > >
> > > > > Graduation day, I saw Kyle. He looked great. He was one of those
> >guys
> > > > that
> > > > > really found himself during high school. He filled out and
actually
> > > > looked
> > > > > good in glasses. He had more dates than I had and all the girls
> >loved
> > > > him.
> > > > > Boy, sometimes I was jealous.
> > > > > Today was one of those days. I could see that he was nervous
about
> >his
> > > > > speech. So, I smacked him on the back and said, "Hey, big guy,
> >you'll
> > > be
> > > > > great!" He looked at me with one of those looks (the really
> >grateful
> > > one)
> > > > > and smiled. "Thanks," he said.
> > > > >
> > > > > As he started his speech, he cleared his throat, and began.
> >"Graduation
> > > > is
> > > > > a time to thank those who helped you make it through those tough
> >years.
> > > > > Your parents, your teachers, your siblings, maybe a coach, but
> >mostly
> > > your
> > > > > friends. I am here to tell all of you that being a friend to
> >someone
> >is
> > > > the
> > > > > best gift you can give them. I am going to tell you a story."
> > > > >
> > > > > I just looked at my friend with disbelief as he told the story of
> >the
> > > > first
> > > > > day we met. He had planned to kill himself over the weekend. He
> >talked
> > > > of
> > > > > how he had cleaned out his locker so his Mom wouldn't have to do
it
> > > later
> > > > > and was carrying his stuff home. He looked hard at me and gave me
a
> > > > little
> > > > > smile. "Thankfully, I was saved. My friend saved me from doing
the
> > > > > unspeakable."
> > > > >
> > > > > I heard the gasp go through the crowd as this handsome, popular
boy
> >told
> > > > us
> > > > > all about his weakest moment. I saw his Mom and dad looking at me
> >and
> > > > > smiling that same grateful smile. Not until that moment did I
> >realize
> > > its
> > > > > depth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Never underestimate the power of your actions. With one small
> >gesture
> > > you
> > > > > can change a person's life, for better or for worse. God puts us
> >all
> >in
> > > > > each other's lives to impact one another in some way. Look for
God
> >in
> > > > > others.
> > > > >
> > > > > You now have two choices, you can: 1) Pass this on to your
friends,
> >or
> > > 2)
> > > > > delete it and act like it didn't touch your heart. As you can
see,
> >I
> > > took
> > > > > choice number 1.

[Tinker Grey]

Originally posted by supermagdalena
Shouldn't you more look at the point in the story rather than snooping out to see if it's true? I iknew when I posted it that it may not be entirely true, but i loved the message. It has a great point, please still try to get the moral here. our actions as Christians, every step we take matters. We have to watch what we do and say. Anyways, it still provides a good explaination for his acts. Snooping?

There's a loaded term.

You also said:Also, just because this event has never been mentioned by him doesn't mean it didn't happen.If he never said it and biographers never snooped it out, then you must ask yourself what the source of the story is.

Was it the pastor? Was it a member of the youth group? Who?

No one is named. No sources are cited.

As I said above, I didn't believe the OP was intentionally spreading falsehoods.

I agree the message is good. But it is totally destroyed if the author lied. Lying for a good moral is self-defeating and hurts the name of Christ. (Please, please, note I am not blaming the OP!)

We should not be party to spreading urban legends around the web.

Tinker

[supermagdalena]

Snor, I love that story. Thanks for posting it! Tinker Grey, sorry if I seemed a little hostile there. I just wasn't really worried about it being entirely true, and also didn't think about it really. I still think it very well could've happened. many people already deep into occult-type practices come to church on spur of the moment type things, or if someone at school told them to go. Remember, I meant no harm, I was just stunned by the moral.

[Egoinos]

Originally posted by Christsoldier
Egoinos,
Dungeon and Dragons can be a bridge to the occult by assuming alter egos and asking for spirit guides and the like. I don't feel it's just a game. It may start out that way, but if you're in it long enough, it is more than just a game.

The trouble is, even reading fiction, or using your imagination, or writing stories as so many children do, can be said to be assuming an alter ego.
I've played D&D - to be honest I found it boring - but it was simply a game, a fantasy game, yes, but not substantially different to writing a story along those lines. There will always be people who get addicted to things like that, but then there are those who become addicted to the internet, to gambling, to all sorts of things. Some people have 'addictive personalities', they are constantly at risk of becoming addicted to almost any activity, unless they are aware of this aspect of their personality. The behaviour of certain people who play D&D is not the fault of the game itself, but of unrecognised tendencies within themselves, which could come out in another medium, were this not there.

--Egoinos--

[Debbie]

Sometimes it only takes one time to seek a spirit guide & be indwelled by a demon. Same for Ouija boards.

[Optimus_P]

Originally posted by Christsoldier
Egoinos,
Dungeon and Dragons can be a bridge to the occult by assuming alter egos and asking for spirit guides and the like. I don't feel it's just a game. It may start out that way, but if you're in it long enough, it is more than just a game.

By who do you get your information from? Thats kinda like saying those who goto school can find it as a bridge to the occult.

i think i would chaulk it up to the "would be/ should be/ could be/ isnt" collumn

[Debbie]

I get my info from a Spirit. The Holy Spirit.
Furthermore, experience counts for a lot.
Been there, love debbie

[Blessed-one]

Originally posted by Josephus

What we do, no matter how 'innocent' we may think, we are God's light to other people. How that light displays itself is one that either people are attracted to, or abhor. I pray we make the right decisions in all the 'innocent' things we do.


AMEN!!

1st Corinthians 8:9
"Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak."

non believers look at what we do and we "should" reflect Jesus's image, but most often we're "unconsciously" doing stuff that we shouldn't be doing....

bro and sis, May God give us wisdom to watch ourselves, so that we may not be a stumbling block to others.

[Tinker Grey]

Originally posted by supermagdalena
Tinker Grey, sorry if I seemed a little hostile there.No problem!

God Bless,
Tinker

[Egoinos]

Originally posted by Debbie
Sometimes it only takes one time to seek a spirit guide & be indwelled by a demon. Same for Ouija boards.

I think I tried those as well, when I was at school....
OK, so do you have any proof that a person who tries D&D, rock music or ouija boards, or tries to seek a spirit guide (is native american, comes from a neo-pagan family..) once becomes possessed by a demon?

[Blynn]

Hi Egoinos,


Maybe some of us on this forum would be proof?


I messed around with everything occultic. I had a Ouija board, tarot cards, I was into casting horoscopes, astral projection (got so good at it I could not control it) casting spells, I held seances....

Was I demon possesed? I don't know, but I can tell you this I had a dark presence following me. I would wake up at night and a dark shadow would be by my bed. I could feel this evil influence around me. I would wake up with scratches on my body. Did I do it to myself? I don't think so, they were deep like if they were done with a sharp object. I also experienced scratching noises on the walls in my home.

Very scary. I think the occult any form of it is very dangerous.
Why should we even mess around with any of this stuff? I believe you open yourself up to demonic influence.


God Bless,
Roberta

[supermagdalena]

I agree with that...aren't doing things like using Ouija boards and playing D&D inviting a demon in? Have you ever read the book, "The Ishbane Conspiracy"? It addresses these kinds of issues (on top of it being a really good fiction that you can't put down ;) ) The demons can not physical hurt you (only spiritualy and emotional) unless you invite them to. Trying to contact spirits is risky because, you might actually get one. but, I promise, it won't be a good one. I messed around a little with seances in the sixth grade (the sixth grade! can you believe we were already doing this stuff?) and almost all my friends owned a Ouija board, though i refused to use one (though i did a couple seances, boy was i not thinking!) I never experienced anything as dramatic and creepy as what blynn experienced, but my life changed and took this dark tone to it. For a little while i had some really bad thoughts. Finally i was jerked to reality when I lost all my friends and had to get new ones. A year later I became a Christian, and now realize that the stuff I was doing could've really screwed me up, had God not given me a wake-up call.

[Debbie]

Egoinos,
I don't think there is any verse in the Bible that indicates rock music can lead to demonic posession. There is Christian rock music. The Doobie Bros-Jesus is Just Alright With Me. etc
Yeah I have read books by this woman, I think her name was (Betty?) White who bcame possessed by a demon named Seth upon using a Ouija Board 1st time.
BUt she was not a Christian & saw this as an opportunity to teach the world everything she learned from Seth. She no longer needed to contact him through the Ouija board. There are several books of Seth's revelations about life, reincarnation, etc. The library used to carry them-20 yrs ago. It also contained pictures of her normally, & while Seth possessed her. SHe considered herself a medium. While Christians know her as being possessed by a demon.
Yes native Americans also become possessed by demons when they seek spirit guides. There are only 2 kinds of spirits. God's & Satan's. People usually get what they are looking for. They don't have to be knowledgeable about the source from which they recieve it, as long as they get what they want.
But the only way to recieve God's Spirit, is through Jesus Christ, per the Bible. All other Spirits are to be tested, per the Bible, to see if they have the testimony of Jesus Christ & bear good fruit. Otherwise they are of Satan.
Blynn was very sweet in sharing her true experience with you. Believe her.

[Egoinos]

blynn,
I messed around with everything occultic. I had a Ouija board, tarot cards, I was into casting horoscopes, astral projection (got so good at it I could not control it) casting spells, I held seances....


I suppose it must depend on the person. I tried a Ouija board and felt nothing - though my friends did, another time - I had tarot cards, but couldn't figure out how to use them and thought they were boring anyway - horoscopes I've always thought were rubbish, I used to know a journalist who wrote them for a newspaper, pretending to be an astrologer! Astral projection and seances I've never had any involvement with and I've read spells, but never tried all the poncing about that seems to go with them. I just always figured that stuff was for poseurs, and kids who wanted to feel they had a little power.

Debbie,
I don't think there is any verse in the Bible that indicates rock music can lead to demonic posession.

Sorry, I got a little confused :) My local Christian book shop is full of books about how rock music is from Satan, and I assumed that most people lumped them all in together. I don't think rock music is evil either - not in general, that is.

Supermagdalene,
I agree with that...aren't doing things like using Ouija boards and playing D&D inviting a demon in?

The thing is, Ouija boards I can accept as inviting in spirits, as that is its purpose, and they are definitely occultic. D&D I'm not so sure about, as its a role-playing game. To me, D&D is just like those PC games where you are a magician, or a thief, or a warrior - standard fantasy characters. To me, its just a game.

--Egoinos--