WOW, get this...

[major_minor]

We just had a young couple move next door, and we have tried to be friendly and helpful. Well, today Daddy shows up who is part of a different "Christian" denomination. Well, we have a long talk, and all is going well. And because I work in youth ministries, I had invited them to our church as a gesture.

His response. :

Be yourself, you can be nice and help them, but do NOT invite them to "that" church! Once well versed and knowledgable in THE faith, then it may be ok to visit other denominations. They are vunerable and untill they are well rooted in OUR faith, they don't need to go THERE and get all confused about truth. So don't invite them, but you can still be friends and help them.

WOW! I mean..WOW! So much for "One Body"!

[TwinCrier]

I'm confused, was this dadddy the father of one of the young couple? Kind of a domineering thing to say in any case.

[leothelioness]

We just had a young couple move next door, and we have tried to be friendly and helpful. Well, today Daddy shows up who is part of a different "Christian" denomination. Well, we have a long talk, and all is going well. And because I work in youth ministries, I had invited them to our church as a gesture.

His response. :

Be yourself, you can be nice and help them, but do NOT invite them to "that" church! Once well versed and knowledgable in THE faith, then it may be ok to visit other denominations. They are vunerable and untill they are well rooted in OUR faith, they don't need to go THERE and get all confused about truth. So don't invite them, but you can still be friends and help them.

WOW! I mean..WOW! So much for "One Body"!

Was this person by any chance Catholic? :liturgy:

[willard3]

Was this person by any chance Catholic? :liturgy:

A good point; I was wondering that myself considering major_minor put Christian in quotes when talking about their denomination. Of course, I could be misinterpreting the whole thing.

The One Body bit is still true, but to Catholics, Protestant worship services do not substitute for the Mass. Attending Protestant services is ok (my girlfriend is Protestant and I'm Catholic), but they should not replace the Mass on the Sabbath.

Again, that last paragraph is just to clarify a few things. Catholics certainly believe that Protestants are God's children and such.

[leothelioness]

[QUOTE]The One Body bit is still true, but to Catholics, Protestant worship services do not substitute for the Mass. Attending Protestant services is ok (my girlfriend is Protestant and I'm Catholic), but they should not replace the Mass on the Sabbath.

So are you saying that we do or do not replace the Mass on the Sabbath? I'm confused.

I always thought it was wrong for a Catholic to attend a church where the theology is supposedly "heretical."

Catholics certainly believe that Protestants are God's children and such.

Even though we practice "heresy?" I don't intend to ruffle anyone's feathers. It truly is a legitimate question. But, I don't see how Catholics can say that we practice heresy yet are still God's children. :confused:

Also, do Catholics believe we have no salvation since to them there is no salvation outside of the Catholic church?

[willard3]

So are you saying that we do or do not replace the Mass on the Sabbath? I'm confused.

I always thought it was wrong for a Catholic to attend a church where the theology is supposedly "heretical."

We can attend the services, but they cannot serve as a substitute for the Mass. So we can go to Mass on Saturday evening and attend a Protestant service on Sunday. I've done it a couple of times.


Even though we practice "heresy?" I don't intend to ruffle anyone's feathers. It truly is a legitimate question. But, I don't see how Catholics can say that we practice heresy yet are still God's children. :confused: Heresy is actually a bit different. A heretic as the Church sees it is one who claims to be teaching Catholicism but actually is teaching opposing beliefs.

Also, do Catholics believe we have no salvation since to them there is no salvation outside of the Catholic church? Nope. On the contrary, it seems that Protestants have a grimmer view than the Catholic Church. Catholics teach that those who are not brought the faith through no fault of their own still can be saved eventually (this also brings the doctrine of purgatory into play, and is reserved for another post). Whereas Protestants tend to teach that those who have not been exposed to Christ, even through no fault of their own, are condemned to hell.

Protestants also fall under this rule. The exception is if enough evidence has been presented to them that they have a reasonable inkling that Catholicism is the one true Church...and they reject the Church. THEN there is no salvation.

[leothelioness]

Heresy is actually a bit different. A heretic as the Church sees it is one who claims to be teaching Catholicism but actually is teaching opposing beliefs.


Well, I've been flat out told by Catholics that Protestantism is heresy period. Basically anything other than Catholicism is heresy.

Protestants also fall under this rule. The exception is if enough evidence has been presented to them that they have a reasonable inkling that Catholicism is the one true Church...and they reject the Church. THEN there is no salvation.

If you were to replace the word "church" with the word "Christ", then I'll agree with that statement.

Christ never said anywhere that we had to be a part of any specific church to have salvation.

[willard3]

Well, I've been flat out told by Catholics that Protestantism is heresy period. Basically anything other than Catholicism is heresy.

That still doesn't make it fact. What a couple of people tell you is not necessarily true. Unfortunately there are a lot of misguided people out there, and some (it happens all the time) decide to lump them together.



If you were to replace the word "church" with the word "Christ", then I'll agree with that statement.

Christ never said anywhere that we had to be a part of any specific church to have salvation.Then how come there's Protestants everywhere who claim that Catholicism is not a "saving faith"? Protestants and Catholics believe 90% of the same stuff, but yet the Catholics are going to hell. *cough*doublestandard*cough*

As I've said before, if you have reason to believe that the Catholic Church is the one true Church personally established by Christ Himself, and then you reject that Church, you will go to hell. Simply not being a member does not instantly condemn you.

[leothelioness]

Then how come there's Protestants everywhere who claim that Catholicism is not a "saving faith"?

Don't know. Ask them.

Protestants and Catholics believe 90% of the same stuff, but yet the Catholics are going to hell.

I'll tell you exactly what you told me. "That still doesn't make it fact. What a couple of people tell you is not necessarily true. Unfortunately there are a lot of misguided people out there, and some (it happens all the time) decide to lump them together."

As I've said before, if you have reason to believe that the Catholic Church is the one true Church personally established by Christ Himself, and then you reject that Church, you will go to hell. Simply not being a member does not instantly condemn you.

That still makes no sense. But whatever.

[plmarquette]

you might be surprised at how prevalent the philosophy is ... baptists , methodist , lutherans, pentecostals , word of faith , vineyard ...

Don't go to " that " church ...
they speak in tongues ...... ; they lay hands on the sick ; they fall out in the spirit ; they insist that we do some thing besides attend 1 service a week ; they suggest we should feed the hungry , clothe the naked , tithe ...

some just do not know any better , some are threatened by what has not been taught ; some are concerned about false prophets , doctrine , and actions ; some are like their ancestors : the pharisees and saducees ...

pray the lord of the harvest , intercede for them ; pray the fathers will ; love them where they are at ; demonstrate the love and faith of God in your walk

[Monica02]

We just had a young couple move next door, and we have tried to be friendly and helpful. Well, today Daddy shows up who is part of a different "Christian" denomination. Well, we have a long talk, and all is going well. And because I work in youth ministries, I had invited them to our church as a gesture.

His response. :

Be yourself, you can be nice and help them, but do NOT invite them to "that" church! Once well versed and knowledgable in THE faith, then it may be ok to visit other denominations. They are vunerable and untill they are well rooted in OUR faith, they don't need to go THERE and get all confused about truth. So don't invite them, but you can still be friends and help them.

WOW! I mean..WOW! So much for "One Body"!


I once had a good friend ask to invite my nephew to her Evangelical church for a youth event and I got really mad at her because she knew my nephew was Catholic.
I can certainly understand this man not wanting his kids influenced by other teachings.

[plmarquette]

Many christians tend to be a tad too conservative , so to speak ....

we are called " one of those churches ".. independant word of faith ... with basket ball hoops , pool tables , air hockey , arcade games for Jr. High & High School kids to blow off steam in supervised area , have a snack ... then set down and do some modern christian praise and worship ... multimedia presentations , videos ....
a bit too much for some who still are doing chalk and talk ... perhaps that is what your neighbor means ... not you ... but your means of worship ... I was once one of them neighbors ... mea culpa , mea culpa ..

[Confess]

We just had a young couple move next door, and we have tried to be friendly and helpful. Well, today Daddy shows up who is part of a different "Christian" denomination. Well, we have a long talk, and all is going well. And because I work in youth ministries, I had invited them to our church as a gesture.

His response. :

Be yourself, you can be nice and help them, but do NOT invite them to "that" church! Once well versed and knowledgable in THE faith, then it may be ok to visit other denominations. They are vunerable and untill they are well rooted in OUR faith, they don't need to go THERE and get all confused about truth. So don't invite them, but you can still be friends and help them.

WOW! I mean..WOW! So much for "One Body"!
I am in agreement with that father.

Parents are given the vocation to raise their children in the faith. They are to protect their children and root them in the faith.

If the parent feels that their children are not grounded or rooted in the faith, then they have every right to continue teaching them until they feel confident in this.

Different denominations teach different things. I too would not want to allow my children to go into another denomination unless it is one that teaches what we believe to be true. I don't understand the thinking that sending your children to a place that conflict with your teaching is OK?

Where doctrine is different there is no unity in faith. Sure, we are all apart of one body in Christ, we all have our functions, but that doesn't mean that sin doesn't cause confusion.

Lutherans teach that we are all united in the invisible church. That is to say that within all denominations there are true believers who are united in the faith. We also believe that within the visible church, there are many differences that cause many troubles, hardships and turmoil. These things hurt the faith of some and can destroy family bonds.

[InnerPhyre]

Wow. Guy could use some tact certainly. I might say something similar, but never something so blunt and rude when extended an invitation in kindness and charity....Something along the lines of "That's very kind of you to offer. Thank you very much, but our faith does not permit us to attend worship services at churches with whom we are not in communion."

[TCat]

Just how young were the children in question, what church and what event were they being invited to?

[Rhamiel]

not to be overly critical, but I have seen some protestant really get a kick out of proslatizing youths, I would be a little worried myself

[PreachersWife2004]

He could've simply said "We have a church already, thanks" and that probably would've been the end of it.

When our teams go out evangelizing, if they get that response or any response that translates to "we already have a church" they don't visit that house anymore.

We don't like sheep stealing.

[Mankin]

Why is it neccessary to believe what the Catholics believe again? All who make Jesus their Savior will be saved, Catholic or whatever denomanation you are or not.

[Mankin]

That still doesn't make it fact. What a couple of people tell you is not necessarily true. Unfortunately there are a lot of misguided people out there, and some (it happens all the time) decide to lump them together.



[font=Arial][color=royalblue]Then how come there's Protestants everywhere who claim that Catholicism is not a "saving faith"? Protestants and Catholics believe 90% of the same stuff, but yet the Catholics are going to hell. *cough*[SIZE=1]doublestandard*cough*

As I've said before, if you have reason to believe that the Catholic Church is the one true Church personally established by Christ Himself, and then you reject that Church, you will go to hell. Simply not being a member does not instantly condemn you.

So if you are convinced that the Catholic Church was established by Jesus, then reject it then you go to hell? Is that what you are saying?

[Mankin]

What that father did was okay. He wanted to protect his kids.

[Mankin]

He could've simply said "We have a church already, thanks" and that probably would've been the end of it.

When our teams go out evangelizing, if they get that response or any response that translates to "we already have a church" they don't visit that house anymore.

We don't like sheep stealing.


I like the word sheep stealing. Never heard of it before.:D We need to save the unsaved not the already saved.