For the Aquarium Lovers

[Shubunkin]

Okay, so I posted about my aquarium in the wrong place :doh: , and thought it prudent to show it here.


http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/paisleyroses/originalthree.jpg

My three original common goldfish.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/paisleyroses/blackmoor.jpg

One of the new black moors. The other one is way too quick to get a good picture.

[MariaRegina]

Beautiful fish.

Are those black moors also called catfish?

[Oblio]

Cool !

I don't have any good pics and my camera is broke :(

[Oblio]

Are those black moors also called catfish?

No, the're kinda popeye goldfish.

[Shubunkin]

Beautiful fish.

Are those black moors also called catfish?


They are fancy goldfish, with bulging eyes.

There are others:

http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/ftypes.html

[Oblio]

I've been thinking of moors to complement my commons. Are yours together ??

[Photini]

Here's mine......

j/k They're from Sea World

[Protoevangel]

I've been thinking of moors to complement my commons. Are yours together ??
I sometimes find "commons" to be much faster to get to the food than most fancy's. It may take some strategy to keep the fancy's well fed while avoiding overfeeding for the tank.

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Where I live now, I can't have aquariums. :cry:

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Here are a couple pics of the ones I had until recently:

http://www.geocities.com/dmheadx/aquariums/swtank004.jpg

10 Gallon Nano-Reef w/ a Fire Goby, a small Acropora Coral, some Clavularia (the only thing that didn't do well in the tank), and a bunch of hitchhikers from the live rock, including some Sabella, Anenomes and some really facinating algae.

http://www.geocities.com/dmheadx/aquariums/fw1tank004.jpg

55-Gallon w/ Angels, a "leftover" Blackskirt Tetra (this guy was a trooper - survived a fight with an adult Oscar!!!), a Kribensis, a pleco, and a couple Gouramis, and a couple of Pictus Catfish.

[Michael the Iconographer]

I sometimes find "commons" to be much faster to get to the food than most fancy's. It may take some strategy to keep the fancy's well fed while avoiding overfeeding for the tank.

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Where I live now, I can't have aquariums. :cry:

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Here are a couple pics of the ones I had until recently:

http://www.geocities.com/dmheadx/aquariums/swtank004.jpg

10 Gallon Nano-Reef w/ a Fire Goby, a small Acropora Coral, some Clavularia (the only thing that didn't do well in the tank), and a bunch of hitchhikers from the live rock, including some Sabella, Anenomes and some really facinating algae.

http://www.geocities.com/dmheadx/aquariums/fw1tank004.jpg

55-Gallon w/ Angels, a "leftover" Blackskirt Tetra (this guy was a trooper - survived a fight with an adult Oscar!!!), a Kribensis, a pleco, and a couple Gouramis, and a couple of Pictus Catfish.


It survived a fight with an adult oscar?? I should get some close ups of the scars my oscars (both hand sized) have left on each other. To ensure that he stays alive, I have a 10 inch pleco in the tank. My tank is 30 gallons, but I plan to get a much bigger tank very soon.

[Protoevangel]

It survived a fight with an adult oscar?? I should get some close ups of the scars my oscars (both hand sized) have left on each other. To ensure that he stays alive, I have a 10 inch pleco in the tank. My tank is 30 gallons, but I plan to get a much bigger tank very soon.
:D
This Tetra was awesome! He succesfully hid from me when I plucked his brothers and sisters out of the tank. Then I added the "rescued" Oscar. The Oscar swam around the tank for like half an hour with the Tetra in his mouth. The Tetra wouldn't quite fit, but the Oscar wouldn't give up. I eventually got the Tetra out and put him in a sick tank (he just floated there, barely breathing for about a day), until I found a home for the Oscar. Once his fins and scars healed, he was fine and dandy.

[Michael the Iconographer]

:D
This Tetra was awesome! He succesfully hid from me when I plucked his brothers and sisters out of the tank. Then I added the "rescued" Oscar. The Oscar swam around the tank for like half an hour with the Tetra in his mouth. The Tetra wouldn't quite fit, but the Oscar wouldn't give up. I eventually got the Tetra out and put him in a sick tank (he just floated there, barely breathing for about a day), until I found a home for the Oscar. Once his fins and scars healed, he was fine and dandy.


The oscar let you take the tetra from his mouth?

[Protoevangel]

The oscar let you take the tetra from his mouth?
I didn't ask his permission. ;)

[Michael the Iconographer]

I didn't ask his permission. ;)

You are brave! You wouldn't believe the fight my oscars put up when I removed them from their tank for the half day journey from the mistake on the lake to Pittsburgh! They are aggressive little fishies.

This whole conversation reminds me of what Quint said on the boat while shark fishing in Jaws: "Come here you overgrown goldfish!"

[Shubunkin]

I've been thinking of moors to complement my commons. Are yours together ??

Yes they are. My commons were afraid of the moors at first, and hid in a corner huddled together, but after about ten minutes they came out and inspected the newcomers.

[Protoevangel]

You are brave! You wouldn't believe the fight my oscars put up when I removed them from their tank for the half day journey from the mistake on the lake to Pittsburgh! They are aggressive little fishies.

This whole conversation reminds me of what Quint said on the boat while shark fishing in Jaws: "Come here you overgrown goldfish!"
I've heard of Oscars biting people, and drawing blood, but I've never gotten bit myself, though. Although I've gotten very wet trying to catch them before, though.

The funniest fish I ever had was a Jack Dempsy. He was such a bully to the other fish in the tank, but if my wife or I shook a finger at it, it would sulk at the bottom of the tank for the rest of the day.

[Bushmaster78FS]

This whole conversation reminds me of what Quint said on the boat while shark fishing in Jaws: "Come here you overgrown goldfish!"


http://www.maneatingsharks.com/Images/GreatWhite/gws23.jpg

Not exactly an aquarium fish huh...

Why did God create such a scary animal? I have always wondered, some people just love them...


http://www.maneatingsharks.com/Images/GreatWhite/gws1.jpg

[Bushmaster78FS]

http://www.sharkmans-world.org/images/notagain.jpg


Hahaha!

[Michael the Iconographer]

http://www.maneatingsharks.com/Images/GreatWhite/gws23.jpg

Not exactly an aquarium fish huh...

Why did God create such a scary animal? I have always wondered, some people just love them...


http://www.maneatingsharks.com/Images/GreatWhite/gws1.jpg


Great Whites are quite scary. I would love to get the chance one day to see one up close, but only as long as I could be assured I would not end up in it's belly. I would think that would be an incredible adrenaline rush. They have been described as the perfect machine. All they do is eat, swim and make baby sharks. They really are magnificent creatures, even if they are terrifying as can be.

[Bushmaster78FS]

They die when they can't swim?

[Michael the Iconographer]

They die when they can't swim?

Great White sharks don't have a swim bladder and so they must constantly move to have water pass over their gills. Thus a Great White will in effect drown if it stops moving.

[Shubunkin]

OKay, I fed my goldfish this morning, and the Black Moors finally caught on after a while that it was feeding time. So they are good until the next feeding. :) The other goldies did not bother them, but I will continue to watch them. If the big one starts being aggressive, she is going back to the pet store where I got her. The good thing about that pet store they will take the fish back if they get to be too much, a problem, or you simply want to change the type of fish you want in the aquarium. That is a good way, I think, to do business. :thumbsup:

[Michael the Iconographer]

OKay, I fed my goldfish this morning, and the Black Moors finally caught on after a while that it was feeding time. So they are good until the next feeding. :) The other goldies did not bother them, but I will continue to watch them. If the big one starts being aggressive, she is going back to the pet store where I got her. The good thing about that pet store they will take the fish back if they get to be too much, a problem, or you simply want to change the type of fish you want in the aquarium. That is a good way, I think, to do business. :thumbsup:

Petsmart won't buy back my oscars that I bought 2 years ago. I tried to do that before I moved. They were about two inches long when I bought them, and now they are about 10 inches long. This means I need to buy myself a MUCH larger tank for them than the 30 gallon tank I have them in. I am thinking something along the lines of 75 or 90 gallon tank.

[Michael the Iconographer]

By the way, I did not hear any bass notes coming from cellos when the pictures of the Great Whites were posted...

[Shubunkin]

Petsmart won't buy back my oscars that I bought 2 years ago. I tried to do that before I moved. They were about two inches long when I bought them, and now they are about 10 inches long. This means I need to buy myself a MUCH larger tank for them than the 30 gallon tank I have them in. I am thinking something along the lines of 75 or 90 gallon tank.


This isn't PetSmart I was talking about, it's locally owned, and they don't buy them back. You can just bring them back if they are not working out. It's better than making them go for a "swim" down the W/C. :(

[Shubunkin]

I believe PetCo will take them back, too... for free. Not buy them back.

[ClementofRome]

Bushmaster.....that photo had me spitting liquid bread all over my monitor!!!

[Michael the Iconographer]

This isn't PetSmart I was talking about, it's locally owned, and they don't buy them back. You can just bring them back if they are not working out. It's better than making them go for a "swim" down the W/C. :(

It is kind of hard to flush a 10 inch oscar down the kommode.

[MariaRegina]

Sometimes a county facility will take offerings of fish. They help with mosquitos, etc.

I contributed two or three very large goldfish, which were more than 8 inches long. They like the bigger fish.

[Shubunkin]

It is kind of hard to flush a 10 inch oscar down the kommode.


You could always stick him in the noisy neighbor's swimming pool. :P

[Shubunkin]

My grandmother raised goldfish in a pond in her backyard when I was a girl. She gave me one of them, and it was about five or six inches long (a small one for her)... the rest of hers were at least 8 inches, or larger, in her pond. I was always fascinated by the pond she had. So now we're making a Koi pond.

[Shubunkin]

I had some fish that got too large for my aquarium years ago, and happened to find someone that was willing to take them (2 fish) and put them in a larger tank. I suppose the want ads might help with that.

[Protoevangel]

Petsmart won't buy back my oscars that I bought 2 years ago. I tried to do that before I moved. They were about two inches long when I bought them, and now they are about 10 inches long. This means I need to buy myself a MUCH larger tank for them than the 30 gallon tank I have them in. I am thinking something along the lines of 75 or 90 gallon tank.
I hate Petsmart for livestock. Any fish store that will easily sell Oscars to someone who is putting them in a 30 gallon aquarium is a fish store that should be avoided. Of course, if warnings go unheeded, almost no store will refuse a sale. I have heard of Petsmart employees selling half a dozen Pacu for a 10-Gallon aquarium. Pacu grow very fast, and they grow very big! At the fish store I used to work at, we would gage the experience of the customer, and their tank. We would then either warn them, make recommendations, and offer whatever advice they were open to. Sometimes the customer won't listen, and the next week, they want their money back for fish that unnecessarily died from Ammonia poisoning or something similar.

If you want to keep them, a 90 gallon would be perfect for a pair of Oscars. Keep a careful eye on the ammonia and nitrite for the first month or so, as Oscars are very messy. If you add them one at a time, with a few weeks in between, that may help. Or you can move your existing filters and gravel/decorations (anything the Oscars haven't destroyed) without washing them in chlorinated water, or letting them dry. If you already know all this, sorry.

If you want to get rid of them, get ahold of your local Aquarium Society. You may be able to auction them, and may find something you just can't live without while you're there.

[Shubunkin]

I hate Petsmart for livestock. Any fish store that will easily sell Oscars to someone who is putting them in a 30 gallon aquarium is a fish store that should be avoided. Of course, if warnings go unheeded, almost no store will refuse a sale. I have heard of Petsmart employees selling half a dozen Pacu for a 10-Gallon aquarium. Pacu grow very fast, and they grow very big! At the fish store I used to work at, we would gage the experience of the customer, and their tank. We would then either warn them, make recommendations, and offer whatever advice they were open to. Sometimes the customer won't listen, and the next week, they want their money back for fish that unnecessarily died from Ammonia poisoning or something similar.

If you want to keep them, a 90 gallon would be perfect for a pair of Oscars. Keep a careful eye on the ammonia and nitrite for the first month or so, as Oscars are very messy. If you add them one at a time, with a few weeks in between, that may help. Or you can move your existing filters and gravel/decorations (anything the Oscars haven't destroyed) without washing them in chlorinated water, or letting them dry. If you already know all this, sorry.

If you want to get rid of them, get ahold of your local Aquarium Society. You may be able to auction them, and may find something you just can't live without while you're there.


I agree with what you say about PetSmart. I do buy fish there, but only if I know what I'm doing.... more or less. Their advice is just plain not usuable. Oh, and never buy aquarium decorations, or live plants there.

[Protoevangel]

If you add them one at a time, with a few weeks in between, that may help.
Then again, seperating Oscars like this can make them even more agressive against each other. The best solution would probably be to transfer the filters and everything to jump-start the nitrogen cycle.

[choirfiend]

Common goldies should grow to be between 10-12", and can live for 20 years. They're carp.

Pacus should NEVER be sold in any petstore, IMO. They're tankbusters.
http://www.postring.net/pacu/images/pacu-13.jpg

Your average layperson is NOT equipped to serve them properly, like selling an oscar to anyone who has less than a 55gal, or multiple oscars to anyone who has less than a 125 and/or is willing to do biweekly water changes.

[Protoevangel]

Common goldies should grow to be between 10-12", and can live for 20 years. They're carp.
Unfortunately, many people think they can keep them in tiny tanks or bowls. It's like keeping your kid in a closet for years, without bathroom breaks.

Pacus should NEVER be sold in any petstore, IMO. They're tankbusters.

Your average layperson is NOT equipped to serve them properly, like selling an oscar to anyone who has less than a 55gal, or multiple oscars to anyone who has less than a 125 and/or is willing to do biweekly water changes.
Agreed, I actually think purchasing Pacu (and other tank-busters) should require a license.

[Oblio]

Then again, seperating Oscars like this can make them even more agressive against each other. The best solution would probably be to transfer the filters and everything to jump-start the nitrogen cycle.

Or do a fishless cycle and move them both in at once.

[choirfiend]

Any of you ever hang out at Badmans?

[Oblio]

nope
Is it a website ?

I spend a little time at golfishconnection.

[Michael the Iconographer]

I hate Petsmart for livestock. Any fish store that will easily sell Oscars to someone who is putting them in a 30 gallon aquarium is a fish store that should be avoided. Of course, if warnings go unheeded, almost no store will refuse a sale. I have heard of Petsmart employees selling half a dozen Pacu for a 10-Gallon aquarium. Pacu grow very fast, and they grow very big! At the fish store I used to work at, we would gage the experience of the customer, and their tank. We would then either warn them, make recommendations, and offer whatever advice they were open to. Sometimes the customer won't listen, and the next week, they want their money back for fish that unnecessarily died from Ammonia poisoning or something similar.

If you want to keep them, a 90 gallon would be perfect for a pair of Oscars. Keep a careful eye on the ammonia and nitrite for the first month or so, as Oscars are very messy. If you add them one at a time, with a few weeks in between, that may help. Or you can move your existing filters and gravel/decorations (anything the Oscars haven't destroyed) without washing them in chlorinated water, or letting them dry. If you already know all this, sorry.

If you want to get rid of them, get ahold of your local Aquarium Society. You may be able to auction them, and may find something you just can't live without while you're there.

I don't want to get rid of the oscars. They really are quite beautiful fish. One is a green tiger and the other is an albino tiger. And I understood when I bought them that when they grew to the size they are now I would need a bigger tank. The only issue with their size was that I needed to buy a 12 inch long pleco to keep them from messing with the pleco. He has survived with them for over a year now and has no scars, so I assume he will be fine with them. When I bought them they were no longer than 2 inches long each. As for decorations, I have some fake plants in there that the oscars like to move arround and play with. As for water toxicity problems, I have never had any issues with that, whether my tank was set up fresh water or marine.

[Michael the Iconographer]

Then again, seperating Oscars like this can make them even more agressive against each other. The best solution would probably be to transfer the filters and everything to jump-start the nitrogen cycle.

Yeah, you really dont want to do anything that will make an oscar any more agressive than he already is. The third option is to set up the larger tank and get it running for a week or two with some feeder goldfish in it before transfering the filters and everything. That way the nitrogen cycle is really going strong.

[Oblio]

Rather than stress the Goldfish, you can just add ~1 ml of clear ammonia/10 gal water to bring the NH3 ppm to around 4-6 and xfer the filters/media/ decorations and maybe some gravel (which will have bacteria for ammonia/nitrite and algae for nitrate consumption).

Or you could just pee in the tank ^_^

My 120 cycled in ~ 2 weeks with only a slight seeding of a small decoration or two and some rinse water from the old filter while I kept the fish in the old tank.

[Michael the Iconographer]

Rather than stress the Goldfish, you can just add ~1 ml of clear ammonia/10 gal water to bring the NH3 ppm to around 4-6 and xfer the filters/media/ decorations and maybe some gravel (which will have bacteria for ammonia/nitrite and algae for nitrate consumption).

Or you could just pee in the tank ^_^

My 120 cycled in ~ 2 weeks with only a slight seeding of a small decoration or two and some rinse water from the old filter while I kept the fish in the old tank.

But if the goldfish are food for the oscars, does it matter if I stress them? I do agree though that the addition of the ammonia and the gravel would work to bring the tank in line with the nitrogen cycle.

[Oblio]

They won't taste as good ;)

[Protoevangel]

But if the goldfish are food for the oscars, does it matter if I stress them? I do agree though that the addition of the ammonia and the gravel would work to bring the tank in line with the nitrogen cycle.
Stress breeds disease. There always parasites, bacterium and viri in the tank. Raising the stress level makes the fish more succeptable to attack. Even if symptoms aren't showing, the balance may have been thrown off enough to affect the whole tank. Add to that the stress of moving the Oscars, and...

Now there is a way to do it with the feeder goldfish, without presenting much danger to them. In a 90-Gallon, you would start with maybe 4-6 for them (depending on their size. Watch the ammonia level - if it gets over 2ppm, do a 25-50% water change, and take a new reading. Actually, though, with that few fish, there probably won't be enough ammonia to register on the test kit. Every couple weeks, add a few new small goldfish, and continue to keep an eye on the ammonia/nitrite levels. The problem with this method, is it can take a couple months to get the bio-load high enough to stand the transfer of big fish like Oscars.

Oblio's idea of a fishless cycle is probably the best. I have done it when I didn't have filters, gravel, and decorations to seed the new tank. The only problem with it is having a beautiful new tank sitting around with no fish in it for 2-6 weeks. If you go this way, be careful to use pure (no soap/purfume) ammonia. Watch the ammonia and nitrites. Once they are both at 0 (after spiking), do a 50%-75% water change, and add the Oscars.

Oh man! I wish I could have aquariums where I live now! I used to have five aquariums in my 900 sq ft apartment. I would have had an additional five if my wife hadn't already wanted me dead for the ones I already had! Thanks for making the thread cygne!!! :hug:

[Oblio]

Fishless Cycling Primer (http://www.tropicalfishcentre.co.uk/Fishlesscycle.htm)

[Michael the Iconographer]

Stress breeds disease. There always parasites, bacterium and viri in the tank. Raising the stress level makes the fish more succeptable to attack. Even if symptoms aren't showing, the balance may have been thrown off enough to affect the whole tank. Add to that the stress of moving the Oscars, and...

Now there is a way to do it with the feeder goldfish, without presenting much danger to them. In a 90-Gallon, you would start with maybe 4-6 for them (depending on their size. Watch the ammonia level - if it gets over 2ppm, do a 25-50% water change, and take a new reading. Actually, though, with that few fish, there probably won't be enough ammonia to register on the test kit. Every couple weeks, add a few new small goldfish, and continue to keep an eye on the ammonia/nitrite levels. The problem with this method, is it can take a couple months to get the bio-load high enough to stand the transfer of big fish like Oscars.

Oblio's idea of a fishless cycle is probably the best. I have done it when I didn't have filters, gravel, and decorations to seed the new tank. The only problem with it is having a beautiful new tank sitting around with no fish in it for 2-6 weeks. If you go this way, be careful to use pure (no soap/purfume) ammonia. Watch the ammonia and nitrites. Once they are both at 0 (after spiking), do a 50%-75% water change, and add the Oscars.

Oh man! I wish I could have aquariums where I live now! I used to have five aquariums in my 900 sq ft apartment. I would have had an additional five if my wife hadn't already wanted me dead for the ones I already had! Thanks for making the thread cygne!!! :hug:

I was JUST kidding! You guys are treating me like I have never run an aquarium. I have had aquariums for the past 15 years, including a marine tank that I kept for several years in college and had absolutely no problems with! Ugh, lighten up people!

[Michael the Iconographer]

They won't taste as good ;)

Do you really think that matters to an oscar?

[Oblio]

As long as you feed Goldfish to your 'pets', you will get no break from us :P

[Michael the Iconographer]

As long as you feed Goldfish to your 'pets', you will get no break from us :P

But that is what they like to eat! You guys must have all been talking to my x-gf. She absolutely hated the fact that the oscars were on a steady diet of goldfish.

[Oblio]

:snort: If they are anything like Goldfish, they will probably like to eat anything. I like the quote that if they could get you in their mouth, goldfish would eat you ^_^

Could you feed them college students perhaps :idea:

[Michael the Iconographer]

:snort: If they are anything like Goldfish, they will probably like to eat anything. I like the quote that if they could get you in their mouth, goldfish would eat you ^_^

Could you feed them college students perhaps :idea:

They eat anything that tastes good to them, and they really have a taste for goldfish! :D Now if you could find me some furry parasitical college students they might enjoy them. But then we are back to introducing disease into the tank...

[Oblio]

But then we are back to introducing disease into the tank...


:D ^_^ :D

[Protoevangel]

The article quotes RTR! I remember him from Aquariacentral and Tom's Place! I haven't been to either place in years, though.

[Protoevangel]

I was JUST kidding! You guys are treating me like I have never run an aquarium. I have had aquariums for the past 15 years, including a marine tank that I kept for several years in college and had absolutely no problems with! Ugh, lighten up people!
:sorry: Sorry, no offence intended. There was no way for me to know your level of experience. I'll definately keep it in mind, though.

[choirfiend]

Do you raise the feeders yourself? If not, you're getting a bad deal with feeding them feeder goldies that are probably overbred and disease ridden to begin with. Feeder goldfish are among the worst things you can feed oscars.

Badmans is a website, and one with REAL experts (fish breeders, devoted hobbyists for 30+ years., etc) who post in the lovely community forum they have and give ppl good advice. I used to post there all the time, but I kinda dropped off there about 1.5 years ago.

[Michael the Iconographer]

Do you raise the feeders yourself? If not, you're getting a bad deal with feeding them feeder goldies that are probably overbred and disease ridden to begin with. Feeder goldfish are among the worst things you can feed oscars.

Badmans is a website, and one with REAL experts (fish breeders, devoted hobbyists for 30+ years., etc) who post in the lovely community forum they have and give ppl good advice. I used to post there all the time, but I kinda dropped off there about 1.5 years ago.

In the past 2 years the Oscars have had not a single health problem, nor has the pleco in the tank, and they grew from being 2 inches long each to arround 10 inches long each.

[Michael the Iconographer]

:D ^_^ :D

You liked that, eh?

[Michael the Iconographer]

The poor fishy did not survive this time! :(

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=2F3EEE6E-6ED5-444C-8A74-6A0899FA0B85&t=c232&f=06/64&p=source_national%20geographic&GT1=8506

[Shubunkin]

I was JUST kidding! You guys are treating me like I have never run an aquarium. I have had aquariums for the past 15 years, including a marine tank that I kept for several years in college and had absolutely no problems with! Ugh, lighten up people!


I have been running aquariums off and on for the past 41 years. I didn't have aquariums when my kids were little, though. ;)

[Michael the Iconographer]

I have been running aquariums off and on for the past 41 years. I didn't have aquariums when my kids were little, though. ;)

I don't mean to even insinuate I have any where near expert status on the matter of aquariums. But a certain poster earlier was treating me as if I am a rank novice in the realm of aquariums, and that I am not.

[Shubunkin]

I don't mean to even insinuate I have any where near expert status on the matter of aquariums. But a certain poster earlier was treating me as if I am a rank novice in the realm of aquariums, and that I am not.

I realize that. In spite of it all, you probably know more than I do. I'm just saying I have a lot of experience so that others will know this. :angel: I just keep the easy stuff, goldfish presently, and tropicals in my last aquarium. We are building a Koi pond, and through that I expect my "expertise" to dramatically improve! :eek: Hehee.. hope I'm not too hard on them while learning! :help:

[Michael the Iconographer]

I realize that. In spite of it all, you probably know more than I do. I'm just saying I have a lot of experience so that others will know this. :angel: I just keep the easy stuff, goldfish presently, and tropicals in my last aquarium. We are building a Koi pond, and through that I expect my "expertise" to dramatically improve! :eek: Hehee.. hope I'm not too hard on them while learning! :help:

My dad and I will be building a KOI pond/stream/waterfall probably the year after next in my yard. We first hafve to get the garage, fence and deck built before we can focus on the KOI pond. He built his own about 5 years ago and it is absolutely beautiful. I will try to get pictures of it to post on here some time.

[Shubunkin]

I really like these fish, but the owner of the pet store told me that they are really hard to keep. They are not hardy and die on you easily. They are called Panda Butterfly Goldfish.



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[Shubunkin]

My dad and I will be building a KOI pond/stream/waterfall probably the year after next in my yard. We first hafve to get the garage, fence and deck built before we can focus on the KOI pond. He built his own about 5 years ago and it is absolutely beautiful. I will try to get pictures of it to post on here some time.

That will be nice to see the pictures. Will look forward to seeing them.

[Michael the Iconographer]

I really like these fish, but the owner of the pet store told me that they are really hard to keep. They are not hardy and die on you easily. They are called Panda Butterfly Goldfish.



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While I never had pandas, I never had any issue keeping any type of fancy goldfish, from fantails and black moors, to orandas, bubble eyes, lionheads, etc in my 30 gallon tank.

[Shubunkin]

While I never had pandas, I never had any issue keeping any type of fancy goldfish, from fantails and black moors, to orandas, bubble eyes, lionheads, etc in my 30 gallon tank.


I keep thinking of trying at least one. It may depend on how inexperienced the aquarium keeper is too. He didn't know how many years I've kept aquariums, either.

[Protoevangel]

I keep thinking of trying at least one. It may depend on how inexperienced the aquarium keeper is too. He didn't know how many years I've kept aquariums, either.
I haven't kept Panda's myself, but I have read that they're really just a color variation of the telescope goldfish, much like the Black Moor, so I'm sure you won't have a problem keeping them. :thumbsup:

[Shubunkin]

I haven't kept Panda's myself, but I have read that they're really just a color variation of the telescope goldfish, much like the Black Moor, so I'm sure you won't have a problem keeping them. :thumbsup:

I hope you're right! I'll check my aquarium water to make sure it is staying good, and then go shopping if it comes out that it is okay. :)

[Michael the Iconographer]

I hope you're right! I'll check my aquarium water to make sure it is staying good, and then go shopping if it comes out that it is okay. :)

Just remember that golfish are pretty hard on a fish tank.