It All Points Back To His Sacrifice

[DiscipleWhomJesusLoves]

In fact, this past week, at our church’s Second Sunday Signs & Wonders Assembly and in one of our small friendship groups, two remarkable healings took place as we ministered to people. It has become so common in our meetings that we expect it and are more surprised when it doesn’t happen than when it does.

This is a wonderful statement from Jim but at the same time it is sad becos he doesn't know why this could happen. (He thinks he knows but really, he doesn't)

Do you know that since Adam bowed his knee to Satan, God could not just step in and press the reset button. That would be a miscarriage of justice in the courts of heaven.

Yes, God could set things right again, but He could not do it presumptiously or He would no longer be holy, just and righteous. Think of the judge who says, "Oh never mind, I'll let you off cos your my son and I'm the boss. Who cares about the laws anyway. Let's just break them."

When Abraham proved that he was willing to give up his only son, a door was opened in the spiritual realm for God to do the same.

So God sent His Son to die for us. The price of a death of a sinless Man was required in the courts of heaven and hell, to set things right. A full payment had to be made for sin. And Jesus said, "Father, I will go."

God had to come down as Man to represent man. And do for man as Man what man could not do. The law demands from man, grace gives to man.

In short, a price had to be paid to set things right again. And the whole thing was done properly and righteously.

The Bible uses such judicial terms becos it all had to be done legally and righteously.

So Christ paid it all with His blood. And every good thing that we have to enjoy today on this side of heaven is there bcos someone has paid for it. That someone is of course Christ.

Christ paid the debt and redeemed man from sin and its curses, one of which is sickness. But His work was a much more compared to the first Adam's. That's why it's a covenant with better promises. That's God's style of restoration. He makes it even better than the original.

Whether it is a blessed marriage, a new job, life, a new born baby, a thriving ministry, food on the table, healing, -- every good thing is ours becos Someone already paid for it.

It didn't just drop from heaven out of the blue. God doesnt just bless man presumptiously. He does it judicially and righteously through the death of His Son. That's what it means when the Bible says that He is faithful and just. Faithful and just to His Son, to what His Son has done. He will honour what His Son has done. Nothing pleases Him more than His Son and His perfect sacrifice.

So why were those people in Jim's church healed? Or why could they be healed even? Why could the blessing of healing fall on them?

If you trace the reason to its roots, you will end up at the feet of the cross. That is the only conclusion heaven recognises. All else is flesh that God does not recognise.

Yes, healing, like every other blessing, is a grace gift. Yes, it's free for us, no strings attached, but it cost God His Son. So stop saying that Jesus didn't pay for that healing you are enjoying today! In one breath you are not only dishonoring Christ, you are saying that God does things presumptiously.

[lovesblessing]

:amen:

[franky67]

If you trace the reason to its roots, you will end up at the feet of the cross. That is the only conclusion heaven recognises. All else is flesh that God does not recognise.

Yes, healing, like every other blessing, is a grace gift. Yes, it's free for us, no strings attached, but it cost God His Son. So stop saying that Jesus didn't pay for that healing you are enjoying today! In one breath you are not only dishonoring Christ, you are saying that God does things presumptiously.


Excellent, Disciple, You have spoken God's truth here.

Romans 15:8

"For I say that Christ has become a servant to the circumcision on behalf of the truth of God, to confirm the promises given to the fathers."

This truth of God, ie, the fact that He does nothing, with respect to His covenant people, outside that covenant.

[DiscipleWhomJesusLoves]

If a man can be justified by the law, then he is entitled to the blessings in Deu 28, one of which is health. In fact, no curse of sickness or any other curse can come on him. But this never happened.

That's old covenant.

In the new covenant. Paul, to whom was given the secrets of the gospel by the ascended Christ, said:

Acts 13:38-39
38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

IOW, our believing in Christ not only brought us forgiveness of sins, it justified us from ALL THINGS from which we could not be justified by the law.

When the law looks at us today, it has to say, "Justified! So here are the blessings!" Why, becos of Jesus.

So it doesn't take a rocket scientist then, to figure out that we have been redeemed from the curse of the law, which includes every kind of sickness (Deu 28:61), and that the blessings of Deu 28 and more (better covenant with better promises) belong to us.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist then, to see that healing is in the atoning sacrifice of our Lord.

Praise be to God!:prayer:

[Tenebrae]

I disagree

It all goes back to grace. Were it not for the grace of God, there never would have been a sacrifice and we who all had death sentences could never had them revoked if it were not for Gods sacrifice.

However it all started with grace

[kooolfriend]

Grace comes from where?
It's all from Jesus, the Alpha and the omega - The beginning and the end!
Without Jesus, you can't live by grace, you shall have to live by the law...
Only through the blood shed, through His sacrifice, we can approach the throne of God not of our merit, but thru grace, the grace of God!

[CrazyforYeshua]

When Abraham proved that he was willing to give up his only son, a door was opened in the spiritual realm for God to do the same.

So God sent His Son to die for us. The price of a death of a sinless Man was required in the courts of heaven and hell, to set things right. A full payment had to be made for sin. And Jesus said, "Father, I will go."


I just have a question. You make it sound here, as though Yeshua wasn't going to be our sacrifice until Abraham was willing to sacrifice Issac. You don't actually believe that, do you?

[kooolfriend]

IMO, Yeshua was willing to be our sacrifice before the foundation of earth, however Yeshua couldn't come and be our sacrifice until Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac...as God would never impose a saviour on mankind unless mankind welcome it!

[Tenebrae]

Grace comes from where?
It's all from Jesus, the Alpha and the omega - The beginning and the end!
Without Jesus, you can't live by grace, you shall have to live by the law...
Only through the blood shed, through His sacrifice, we can approach the throne of God not of our merit, but thru grace, the grace of God!Were it not for grace, we wouldnt have had Jesus sacrifice. The almighty could have consigned us all to hell, and still remained a holy and just God

We often forget grace, we often forget that we are all sinners who without Christ would be recieving a death sentence. Were it not for the grace of God, we could have never approached the throne room with boldness and no fear

The OP said it all goes back to Jesus sacrifice, I disagree, were it not for the grace of God, there never would have been a sacrifice

[FilledWithHisSpirit]

Our healing, our deliverance, all came through the willing sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Jesus did come, begotten of the Father, but what we do forget is that He willingly chose to be obedient to the point of death. His obedience, His love, is what drew us to Him, and what allows us to experience His healing virtue. By grace through faith, I stand on my healing. Hallelujah!

[franky67]

The OP said it all goes back to Jesus sacrifice, I disagree, were it not for the grace of God, there never would have been a sacrifice


God's grace IS Jesus.

It is written, "All God's fullness dwelleth in Him."

It does all go back to Jesus' sacrifice.

Jesus said, "I have come that you might have life, and have it more abundantly."

[Tenebrae]

God's grace IS Jesus.

It is written, "All God's fullness dwelleth in Him."

It does all go back to Jesus' sacrifice.

Jesus said, "I have come that you might have life, and have it more abundantly."Were it not for God being so desiring to see man kind reconciled to him, there would have been no sacrifice

Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp. God could have consigned us all to hell and still been a holy and just God

[DiscipleWhomJesusLoves]

I disagree

It all goes back to grace. Were it not for the grace of God, there never would have been a sacrifice and we who all had death sentences could never had them revoked if it were not for Gods sacrifice.

However it all started with grace

Grace is a person, not a force or doctrine.

Actually we are talking about the same thing.

The Bible says the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus. Jesus is Grace personified, just as He is Truth personified. And He came to die for our sins. He came to set right what the first Adam did.

Anyway, I'm refering to why the blessings are possible, why we have been blessed with all spiritual blessings. Yes, it is the grace of God in general, but specifically it is Christ death, His blood payment.

[DiscipleWhomJesusLoves]

I just have a question. You make it sound here, as though Yeshua wasn't going to be our sacrifice until Abraham was willing to sacrifice Issac. You don't actually believe that, do you?

No, of course that's not what I meant. God was most willing, even from the foundation of the world. But I'm talking about doing things 'legally' and righteously. My whole point is that God didn't save us presumptiously. He didn't just sweep sin under the carpet. He did it all righteously becos He is holy.

Many already know that Abraham's sacrifice of his one and only son he loved is like a 'foreshadow' of God sacrificing his one and only son He loved. (Only diff is that God actually did it.) Also that that act 'sort of' gave God the 'legal right' to say to Satan, "See, man is willing, now how can I not? Now, I have every right to execute my plan!"

[DiscipleWhomJesusLoves]

A good reminder:

Do you know that since Adam bowed his knee to Satan, God could not just step in and press the reset button. That would be a miscarriage of justice in the courts of heaven.

Yes, God could set things right again, but He could not do it presumptiously or He would no longer be holy, just and righteous. Think of the judge who says, "Oh never mind, I'll let you off cos your my son and I'm the boss. Who cares about the laws anyway. Let's just break them."

When Abraham proved that he was willing to give up his only son, a door was opened in the spiritual realm for God to do the same.

So God sent His Son to die for us. The price of a death of a sinless Man was required in the courts of heaven and hell, to set things right. A full payment had to be made for sin. And Jesus said, "Father, I will go."

God had to come down as Man to represent man. And do for man as Man what man could not do. The law demands from man, grace gives to man.

In short, a price had to be paid to set things right again. And the whole thing was done properly and righteously.

The Bible uses such judicial terms becos it all had to be done legally and righteously.

So Christ paid it all with His blood. And every good thing that we have to enjoy today on this side of heaven is there bcos someone has paid for it. That someone is of course Christ.

Christ paid the debt and redeemed man from sin and its curses, one of which is sickness. But His work was a much more compared to the first Adam's. That's why it's a covenant with better promises. That's God's style of restoration. He makes it even better than the original.

Whether it is a blessed marriage, a new job, life, a new born baby, a thriving ministry, food on the table, healing, -- every good thing is ours becos Someone already paid for it.

It didn't just drop from heaven out of the blue. God doesnt just bless man presumptiously. He does it judicially and righteously through the death of His Son. That's what it means when the Bible says that He is faithful and just. Faithful and just to His Son, to what His Son has done. He will honour what His Son has done. Nothing pleases Him more than His Son and His perfect sacrifice.

So why were those people in Jim's church healed? Or why could they be healed even? Why could the blessing of healing fall on them?

If you trace the reason to its roots, you will end up at the feet of the cross. That is the only conclusion heaven recognises. All else is flesh that God does not recognise.

Yes, healing, like every other blessing, is a grace gift. Yes, it's free for us, no strings attached, but it cost God His Son. So stop saying that Jesus didn't pay for that healing you are enjoying today! In one breath you are not only dishonoring Christ, you are saying that God does things presumptiously.