"Homosexuality is a sin"

[Be11e]

Homosexuality is a sin -

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10,"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."


I feel that the bible makes this pretty clear - BUT my question is, why are we so obsessed with this one particular sin? There are countless other sins - blasphemy, lying, cheating, not respecting your parents. And Jesus tells us that these are all forgiveable, therefore they are all equal - yes, including homosexuality. Shouldn't we be much more worried about:


Matthew 12:31-32 "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."


But i haven't seen a single post about the greatest sin on this site yet, and a multitude about homosexuality.

[Kepha]

Homosexuality is a sin -

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"
1 Cor. 6:9-10,"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."


I feel that the bible makes this pretty clear - BUT my question is, why are we so obsessed with this one particular sin? There are countless other sins - blasphemy, lying, cheating, not respecting your parents. And Jesus tells us that these are all forgiveable, therefore they are all equal - yes, including homosexuality. Shouldn't we be much more worried about:


Matthew 12:31-32 "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."


But i haven't seen a single post about the greatest sin on this site yet, and a multitude about homosexuality.

To be more precise, acting on homosexual inclinations is the sin.

[major_minor]

Matt 5:28"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. "

If you think on those things..it is also a sin. Beware lest your thoughts betray you.

[Kepha]

Matt 5:28"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. "

If you think on those things..it is also a sin. Beware lest your thoughts betray you.

True, I should have been more thorough with that answer. Of course any sexual thought is still part of the act. However, I was speaking more of the inclinations, without the thoughts nor the actions. Without them, you have no sin.

[major_minor]

If you read Gods Commands for marriage, Jesus' teachings, and furthered by the apostles communication, I pose this.

Does homosexuality involve a man and a woman?
Does homosexuality allow partnes to procreate?
Dies it allow a male and female role models(true, not imagenary)?

If the answer to any one of there were no, than it is wrong.

Homosexuality is totally and completely of the flesh. That alone is what it serves.

[KellyLeigh]

:amen: Homosexuality is a sin as it is clearly stated in Lev.

[mont974x4]

It is a sad thing that this is even debatable in the church.

[Peter]

What happened to the formal debate? Two parties, oppossing views, point/counter point etc.

The Reader Peter

[willard3]

Homosexual thoughts are not sinful, because (as has been advocated) they are not necessarily the fault of the person. However, when the person begins welcoming those thoughts and acts on them, it becomes a sin.

I'm pretty sure that's the official Catholic stance, btw.

[mont974x4]

Homosexual thoughts are not sinful, because (as has been advocated) they are not necessarily the fault of the person. However, when the person begins welcoming those thoughts and acts on them, it becomes a sin.

I'm pretty sure that's the official Catholic stance, btw.


Can the concept behind these verse also apply to all sexual sin?

Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart

[NewGuy101]

Can the concept behind these verse also apply to all sexual sin?

Mat 5:27Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart

Thank you, I don't understand how people can say that having homosexual feelings is not a sin. Your feeligns reflects on your heart, hate is a natural part of human emotion..but its sinful.

To answer the OP, this is a hot topic in the church right now that's why it's talked so much. Especially since some liberals try to justify it and say that it's not sinful.

[willard3]

Again to clarify: the feelings themselves are not necessarily sinful because the person might not have a choice. However, if the person welcomes those thoughts and dwells on them, THEN it becomes a sin.

God is a just judge; He does not condemn people to hell for things that are honestly not their fault.

[whitedove7]

What does the Bible really say about homosexuality? When I preached
this message, I had two goals. The first was to provide specific
biblical answers to the media propaganda that says "homosexuality is
an acceptable alternative lifestyle, that it is beyond a person's
ability to control and anyone who questions that is a homophobic gay
basher." And secondly, to provide biblical hope for anyone who
struggles with homosexuality. Chances are that all of us know
someone who is wrestling with this particular sin. Because of the
prejudice in the church, people have had to keep this sin private.
But as dark as it is, homosexuality is like any other sin, and the
truth in God's Word is available to set the struggler free.

I really want you to see God's truth on this subject, including His
heart.

As we begin, we need to start where God starts: homosexuality is
sin. Leviticus 18:22 spells this out without confusion. So does
Leviticus 20:13 and Romans 1:18-22. What man calls wisdom, freedom,
choice, preference, and alternative, God calls "foolishness, " "an
abomination, " and "perverse."

Romans 1:18—22 describes the downward spiral we take when we move
away from life as God intended. Some people, and all of us at one
point or another, choose to reject God's truth. When we do, we begin
down a slippery slope that moves fast and ends in a cesspool of
wickedness beyond imagination. Trust me, as I prepared this message
I stuck my head in a sewer. I read more bizarre things than I ever
wanted to know about the rampaging sexuality of the homosexual
world. But I won't shock you. Ephesians 5:12 says that, "It is
shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in
secret." Enough said.

Homosexuality is one of 17 things in the Bible that carries with it,
under the Law, the death penalty. But remember, under the Law, we
see how God feels about sin. However, under grace, we see how God
feels about sinners. And we must not take the Old Testament passages
and bring them to bear upon how God feels about sin without our New
Testament understanding of grace and love for the sinner. That is
part of God's heart and part of our redemptive mission in Christ.

Yes—homosexuality is sin, but God has deep compassion for those
caught in this bondage. And homosexuality is bondage. It's a deeply
compulsive, escalating enslavement.

Think for a moment what it must be like to get your foot caught in
moral quicksand and feel it engulfing you. The further you sink, the
harder it is to get out. Within the heart of every man and woman is
the voice of conscience which alerts us to sin. Our conscience
says, "That's wrong." But when we ignore or deny what we know is
true, our hearts become callused and the voice becomes fainter until
the conscience is seared and you can't hear the message "It's wrong,
it's wrong" anymore.

The word gay used to mean "carefree and happy" but that's a great
misnomer. By their choice, people caught in this bondage suffer
under a deep desire to rationalize what cannot be rationalized. It's
true—choose to sin, choose to suffer. And homosexuals do suffer. In
my study this week, my heart was deeply touched by the pain
experienced by those who have chosen this lifestyle. And the heart
that says, "Well, too bad, that's what they chose," is so pitifully
unlike Christ's heart.

I read this week, "Homosexuals are the lepers of our day." Socially
outcast, the object of scorn, subjected to harsh rejection, but
loved by Jesus. Read through the gospels to catch the criticism that
Jesus got for loving and reaching out to lepers and prostitutes.
It's one thing to fight against the homosexual movement; it's
another thing to fight against an individual.

Hope for the homosexual.

First Corinthians 6:9 says this, "Do you not know that the
unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived;
neither fornicators, adulterers, idolaters, homosexuals, nor
sodomites, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards,
revilers . . . will enter the kingdom of heaven."

Take note—on the list of sinful patterns, homosexuality is one of
them. It's not out there by itself. It's not the great ugliness. Now
check out verse 11, "And such were some of you." The apostle Paul
wrote, "You guys had these problems." He's talking to us too. This
list is the stuff we all got saved from. We too are in need of God's
grace. I found it incredibly penetrating to consider that every time
there's a list in the New Testament that includes homosexuality,
there's something else on that list that I've done. So who do I
think I am exactly? Verse 11 says, "You are washed, you were
sanctified, you were justified in the name of our Lord Jesus by the
Spirit of God."

If you secretly struggle with homosexuality or you know someone who
is, let me share some hope with you. If this sin is rooted partially
in relational pain from rejection, the solution can begin with a
heavenly Father who loves you unconditionally. Like the prodigal
son, if you approach the Father in repentance, you will receive His
full and loving embrace as any other sinner does. There's also hope
in the Savior who forgives completely. Maybe you think, "But I've
been in some dark places and I've done some dark things." Hear the
good news: There is no sin that Jesus did not die to pay for and
there is no sin for which you can't be totally forgiven. And there's
hope in the Holy Spirit who transforms you.

[ScottF]

The liberal denominations (like United Methodist, Anglicans and so called "Progressive" churches) are okay with homosexuality. Most others are not.

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I just have to comment on your cat. He looks like he wants serious revenge!:D

[paladin_carvin]

:amen: Homosexuality is a sin as it is clearly stated in Lev.

Eating shrimp is a sin as it is clearly stated in Lev. Please, if you are going to quote law, and expect someone to respect one line in it, you yourself must respect all of it.

If you read Gods Commands for marriage, Jesus' teachings, and furthered by the apostles communication, I pose this.

Does homosexuality involve a man and a woman?
Does homosexuality allow partnes to procreate?
Dies it allow a male and female role models(true, not imagenary)?

If the answer to any one of there were no, than it is wrong.

Homosexuality is totally and completely of the flesh. That alone is what it serves.

I have to ask... a man is born in such a way that he can't have children. Should he not marry? Is it a sin that he wants a companion, but since he can't make a child, all he has is lust? Is a barren woman the same? Does an extremely fertile person have MORE right to marry?

Also, I don't see what roles have to do with anything. Relationship wise, the 'imaginary' ones seem to work, and I know that my relationships with women I've been feminine to masculine women, and it has never harmed the relationship. As for being parents, homosexuals have constantly proven to be good parents, raising good children. A child with two parents succeed much more than a child with one parent, but no study has ever said that those parents being opposite sexes was a benefit.

Honestly, as far as a commited, meaningful relationship (that I've seen homosexual couples be in) is not really mentioned in the Bible. Every time it is mentioned, it's all about lawlessness, lust and desires of the flesh- usually surrounded by (or implying) ideas of prostitution, rape, and slavery. The commited couples hardly fit this description, and I argue the only reason why there aren't more homosexual couples like this is because we continually try to seperate moral rightousness from homosexuality when I believe fully they should co-exist.

[mommy68]

I feel that the bible makes this pretty clear - BUT my question is, why are we so obsessed with this one particular sin? There are countless other sins - blasphemy, lying, cheating, not respecting your parents. And Jesus tells us that these are all forgiveable, therefore they are all equal - yes, including homosexuality. I have been taught that homosexuality is the biggest sin ever, nothing can compare to it. I've been taught (through very thorough research) that Genesis talks about the serpent and how it was actually a woman that approached Eve. Had the serpent that approached Eve been ugly and nasty looking then we all know it wouldn't have gotten her attention like a beautiful human would have. Later on there is Sodom.

We are not supposed to go to someone that is the same sex in the way that homosexuals do. This is what I've been taught. It's not how God set things up. When he created Adam he did not then create a second man "first" in order for him to have a mate. He created a woman for him to have a mate and to multiply and replenish the earth with him. Had he created two men or two women at that time then there would be no world at this point, not if man were supposed to multiply on his own, because he would not have been able to do that without a woman. Homosexuality is a selfish thing. I've been taught this and I believe it.

It's not that I believe that a homosexual can not become saved and leave that lifestyle to become a heterosexual or that I hate homosexuals, but I feel that it is wrong and I know it in my heart. I won't agree with it or accept it but I also would never turn my back on someone who is homosexual because you never know if they might ever wanted out of that lifestyle.

I think the problem for "most" people in this day and time is that they don't stick to what the Bible says. They meet nice homosexual couples in the flesh and figure since they are nice and living a wonderful life together that it makes it okay. Well it isn't okay according to God and the Bible. Someone either believes the whole bible always or they don't. It's as simple as that. Things in this bad world today have no bearing on what the Bible has "always" said for us to believe in.

[plmarquette]

a note .... from a comment from John Bevere , in the bait of satan - offense...

1 Corinthians 6.9 is a list of sins of "obsession"... homosexuality being one , yet on the same plane with heterosexual sins ... the parable of the plank and the beam ... if we are walking in sin ( ommission, commision, or fantasy, which Jesus said was sin also), then how can we sit in judgement upon others in the same list?

to accentuate the obvious is to offend , and to offend is to put up walls , and walls will keep others from shedding the light of God to people in a dark place..

if we love those who do not love or treat us well - Matthew 5.12-14 ; if we take care of our "enemies" Romans 12.18-21 ; we shed the love of God , helping those who cannot help themselves, by out greatest sermon .. our example .. revelations 12.11 ..

a thought ..

[JoshuaM]

All those verses do prove homosexuality is a sin. If we say it is not sin we deceive ourselves. If we pretend that somebody showing us the Bible means they are judging, we deceive ourselves. The Bible is the Lord's way to teach us how to live for the Lord Jesus. People do have a choice what they will do. There are many reasons why a person will make a choice to dwell on certain thoughts, or why thoughts cross the line to sin. Often one of the main reasons is the need for comfort, and wanting to belong somewhere, to feel needed. Sometimes the lifestyle can be brought about by harm done by the opposite gender, or simply a lack of leadership and accountability, but it seems always that want to fill a void with something is there. This void is meant for the Lord Jesus. People always have a choice whether to follow the Lord, or to follow the world and self. It is a hard thing to surrender one's self and submit to the Lord sometimes but necessary for a strong relationship with Him.

Have you not heard of Sodom and Gommorah? It is Genesis 19. Many people there living in sin including homosexuality. But most of them had no respect for the Lord God. But Lot was kind to the angels who were disguised as men and did not try those things, but he was weak and offered his daughters to the people who wanted sex with who they thought were men. But because Lot was kind to these men and did not try to sin with them, and because Lot is Abraham's relative, his family is given grace and given instructions. Lot's wife turned to salt because she did not obey the Lord's command to avoid looking at the city, but Lot obeyed and was given grace.

This is a prime example of where there was a lot of this type of sin temptation and the Lord gave grace to those who obeyed Him. Even more, He sent Jesus to take the burden of our sins so that we may know a close relationship with the Lord.

Jesus' first followers were all sorts of walks of life, many different struggles. The first disciples included thieves, etc. Later an adulteress and a prostitute and a person who persecuted Christians all are given grace by obeying the Lord Jesus. They are forgiven and the Lord does not look down on them. He just tells them they are forgiven and to stop sinning.

But Jesus, even though he never sinned, Satan tempted Him in the desert a long time, and as God in the flesh, Jesus knew what it felt like to be tempted. So He understands us. But you see, we have the Holy Spirit who shows us Jesus, Jesus who saves us from our sins and is our life, and then the Holy Spirit guides us on how to live Christlike, and Jesus brings us to a relationship with the Father as well. So our God who is 3 in 1.. not 3 gods, but 1 God, 3 personages, beyond our understanding who has done so much through His love and grace so even though people are weak and sinners, they can go to Jesus and know a relationship with the Lord and know what it is to follow Christ.

Isn't He great?