Why I don't like the Mennonite denomination:

[Atlantians]

When I was 2 or 3 the Pastor of the Mennonite Church my mom and I went to taught my mother to spank me.:P

Evil spanking Mennonite Pastors...^_^






God bless you all.:thumbsup:

[ZiSunka]

I got spanked as a child, but it didn't turn me away from my mom and dad.

Spanking isn't evil.

Beating is evil, but a smack on the pants can deliver a powerful message, if you will forgive my pun.

[MrJim]

Sounds like maybe you didn't get enough spankings :P

[JTM3]

Sounds like maybe you didn't get enough ings :P

Ouch :D

[Joykins]

That's funny, when I had kids I didn't need a pastor to teach me how to spank them.

[PretzelMonger]

Haha. I'm not even a member of the same denomination and got plenty of spankings.

[LittleladyinChrist]

The Bible says in Proverbs. You shall beat him with the rod and deliver his soul from hell.

[PretzelMonger]

Lucky me then. My dad gave hand-spankings.

[LittleladyinChrist]

Lucky me then. My dad gave hand-spankings.
I sort of think of it in the opposite. Like the child is more blessed if the rod is used. There seems to be some good fruit. Im hoping I dont get any liberals upset at me hehe.

[PretzelMonger]

Don't get me wrong! He's a big, strong guy! (I've only grown up to be 4' 10" and he's almost 6' 3"!

[catlover]

I sort of think of it in the opposite. Like the child is more blessed if the rod is used. There seems to be some good fruit. Im hoping I dont get any liberals upset at me hehe.

How in Heavens name is a child more blessed if a "rod" is used as opposed to a hand?

[catlover]

Don't get me wrong! He's a big, strong guy! (I've only grown up to be 4' 10" and he's almost 6' 3"!

Don't appologize for not being spanked with an object!

[PretzelMonger]

I guess it's more important to be spanked with an objectIVE.

[catlover]

I guess it's more important to be spanked with an objectIVE.

I don't get it myself...

[PretzelMonger]

Parents whipping some sense into their children...I at least got it for a while every time. It wasn't permanent, but now I am grown and finally see the reasoning "behind" it.

[catlover]

Parents whipping some sense into their children...I at least got it for a while every time. It wasn't permanent, but now I am grown and finally see the reasoning "behind" it.


^_^

[PretzelMonger]

He may have gotten me into line, but didn't knock my "pun"niness out of me!

[catlover]

He may have gotten me into line, but didn't knock my "pun"niness out of me!

:D

[LittleladyinChrist]

How in Heavens name is a child more blessed if a "rod" is used as opposed to a hand?
Thats easy to explain, it is always more blessed to follow the Bible than man. God will bless obedience. Here is a verse for pondering.

Pro 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Pro 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

[The Princess Bride]

Sounds like maybe you didn't get enough spankings :P
My thoughts also! ;)

[ctay]

My oldest one, 27 yrs old now told me not long ago that we didnt spank them enough... They didn't turn out bad. Its hard to even spank them now without the parents getting trouble with the law

[catlover]

Thats easy to explain, it is always more blessed to follow the Bible than man. God will bless obedience. Here is a verse for pondering.

Pro 23:13 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Pro 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

I can use one verse to justify abuse, but I won't.* "Correction" can be a number of things, hand spankings, sending a child to their room. Limits are imporant to set on children, and grown ups.


*parent who has spanked her children.

[LittleladyinChrist]

so are you saying that God said that beating with a rod is abuse? Do you listen to modern psychologists and the world rather than the Word of God?

[PretzelMonger]

http://www.parousie.com/sagesse/articles/slapped_by_the_law.htm

Oh, did you know: Spanking is illegal in Sweden?

[LittleladyinChrist]

are you saying because the law says it is wrong to spank that god says it is wrong to spank?

[PretzelMonger]

No, just a confusing issue for the Swedes.

[catlover]

so are you saying that God said that beating with a rod is abuse? Do you listen to modern psychologists and the world rather than the Word of God?

The Word of God has cultural connotations as well. Do you realize men were allowed to beat their wives and owned their families?

What sort of "rod" are you referring to? A wooden spoon, yard stick?

[catlover]

so are you saying that God said that beating with a rod is abuse? Do you listen to modern psychologists and the world rather than the Word of God?

Are you saying spanking is the ONLY way to correct a child?

[LittleladyinChrist]

no but it is the best way, why because God says so

[LittleladyinChrist]

A rod, take your pick

[CelticRose]

Quote:The Word of God has cultural connotations as well. Do you realize men were allowed to beat their wives and owned their families? References please, catlover.

[PretzelMonger]

References are important. Extremely.

[catlover]

Quote:The Word of God has cultural connotations as well. Do you realize men were allowed to beat their wives and owned their families? References please, catlover.




In ancient biblical times men owned both their wives...

http://www.cliftonunitarian.com/toddstalks/godsdivorce&custodybattle.htm


A woman, in biblical times, was considered to be the property first of her father and after marriage of her husband.


http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10c9.htm



In biblical times, acts of sexual assault and abuse against women were of concern to the degree that they violated male property rights. The Bible delineated the marriage relationship by calling the husband ba'al which implies both ownership and lordship (Ex. 21:28). Thus, for example,if a wife is physically harmed by someone, compensation is paid to her husband. The husband is not only the owner of his wife, he is also the owner of her pregnancy (Ex. 21:22). If a man's "property rights" are violated, he is entitled to compensation.

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/daily_life/relationships/Spouses_and_Partners/Wifebeating.htm







Some decisors declare it unlawful, while others justify it under certain circumstances. Gratuitous abuse, striking a wife without a reason, is forbidden by all. However, the attitude of rabbinic sources toward perceived "bad wives" is ambivalent, and wife beating is occasionally sanctioned if it is for the purpose of chastisement or education.

[catlover]

no but it is the best way, why because God says so

I really understand spanking for a little one for a serious infraction, running in the road etc. but for something, like not putting away something, etc. else I really don't see the purpose.

BTW what sort of stick are your proposing, a tree branch, spoon, yard stick?

[PretzelMonger]

wet noodle? j/k

[catlover]

wet noodle? j/k

sounds better than a "rod". :thumbsup:

[MrJim]

spankings...my folks preferred using a leather belt. I've never used a belt on my boys. mrs menno uses the wooden spoon on occaison, and I've spanked with bare hand on bare bottom, but not often.

No rods at our house...though these boys could've used a few more spankings...come to think about it I could've used a few more too.

As a father I learn so much about the nature of the Christian relationship with God the Father through my parenting. Many things I tell my sons seem somehow to get tossed back at me by the Holy Spirit...

[CelticRose]

I hate spanking; it is always such a drama. I only do it for really blatant defiance & disrespect - & I use the wooden spoon. Everything else seems to come under ''training''.

[Lena75]

I got spanked as a kid, too! Usually with a leather belt that us kids referred to as "mom's friend". ^_^ It only stung for a little bit, but the lesson was well-learned! ;)

[PretzelMonger]

My first-grade teacher had a tennis racket for spanking. She had named it "Henrietta." (I went to a school called "Henry Heights Elementary.") I never got hit with it (parents had to give permission for spanking.) There was, however, a boy, pretty much my rival, who got spanked ALL the time. He misbehaved obviously, but since I wasn't punished in another way, obviously I was doing something right!

[plummer925]

Hehe - My parents were not even Christians and I got spanked too! lol ;)

[PretzelMonger]

Kinda a personal choice then I guess! But the "rod" thing is in fact Mosaic Law, and thus Christians do not have to follow it, as we have been freed.

[LittleladyinChrist]

Kinda a personal choice then I guess! But the "rod" thing is in fact Mosaic Law, and thus Christians do not have to follow it, as we have been freed.
Why do you think the rod was part of mosaic law, it is actually no where found in the mosaic law given to the jews, which you are right we are not under. BUT this verse

Pro 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him quickly.


is found in Proverbs where we get lots of valuable information that God has given us for raising children. Sure you can do it your way if you prefer and have a child who will eventually turn into the "normal" teenager these days, who was given a time out or you can follow God's guidelines for disciplining and bringing up in the nuture and admonition of the Lord, and you can have GODLY children who will influence the world for Jesus Christ not be influenced by the world.

[LittleladyinChrist]

Kinda a personal choice then I guess! But the "rod" thing is in fact Mosaic Law, and thus Christians do not have to follow it, as we have been freed.
Do you have a verse that supports that using a rod was given in the mosaic law??

[PretzelMonger]

My bad. I was thinking of something I had heard was mentioned in the Talmud.

http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=637&o=1972023#footnote1

[catlover]

Why do you think the rod was part of mosaic law, it is actually no where found in the mosaic law given to the jews, which you are right we are not under. BUT this verse

Pro 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him quickly.


is found in Proverbs where we get lots of valuable information that God has given us for raising children. Sure you can do it your way if you prefer and have a child who will eventually turn into the "normal" teenager these days, who was given a time out or you can follow God's guidelines for disciplining and bringing up in the nuture and admonition of the Lord, and you can have GODLY children who will influence the world for Jesus Christ not be influenced by the world.


Yeah beating the stuffing out of your kid will keep them from being the "bad" teenagers of today. Honestly, the teenagers of today are much nicer than my generation was.

Finally how about loving your children rather than leaving welts and bruises with a rod?

1 Peter 4:8
Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of
sins.

[PretzelMonger]

Sadly, I don't read Hebrew so I can't hash out the original text.

[catlover]

Sadly, I don't read Hebrew so I can't hash out the original text.

Oh, don't be such a "stick" in the mud!! ;)

[LittleladyinChrist]

Yeah beating the stuffing out of your kid will keep them from being the "bad" teenagers of today. Honestly, the teenagers of today are much nicer than my generation was.

Finally how about loving your children rather than leaving welts and bruises with a rod?

1 Peter 4:8
Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of
sins.
So what your saying is not against what I am saying it is against what the Bible says. You have just told me not to use a rod. and BTW I have never ever left bruises or welts on my child in order to follow God's guidelines. The Lord said to bring up your children in the nuture and admonition of the Lord, and there is nothing wrong with applying what scripture says into our lives, despite what the mass popular vote is.

[PretzelMonger]

Sometimes when I was younger my mother would hit me with a plastic spoon or such (she says she couldn't stand to spank, so they were just little "slaps") but I still got the idea. Maybe that is how one should go about it. Not with all one's strength, but rather a quick "rapping." [That my sister thought she had that authority is ANOTHER thing!]

[josuabrown]

I really understand spanking for a little one for a serious infraction, running in the road etc. but for something, like not putting away something, etc. else I really don't see the purpose.

BTW what sort of stick are your proposing, a tree branch, spoon, yard stick?

The closest thing to what the Bible calls a rod is a tree switch. This is becuse the more a child tenses up, the worse it hurts. When the child gives up and obeys, no more pain. I had peach tree switch used on me as a kid. Those things are flexible and don't break easily. Needless to say, I didn't get in trouble very often. I recieved spankings for little and big things if I continued doing something wrong. The first time was a warning.

[PretzelMonger]

What of the shepherd's rod?

The rod was a stick about a yard/meter long with a knob on one end

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2001/20010619.htm

Different passage but is it the same or a different implement?