Can individuals appeal for jurisdictional oversight?

[SeenAndUnseen]

Can individuals or very small groups of people pursue jurisdictional oversight, seeking it from the ABC or an archbishop from one of the African provinces?

What about small parishes?

Is it something that only an entire parish or diocese can do?

[RedneckAnglican]

I know the ACiA in big on opening missions, but I don't know how to go about doing it...

[higgs2]

Can individuals or very small groups of people pursue jurisdictional oversight, seeking it from the ABC or an archbishop from one of the African provinces?

What about small parishes?

Is it something that only an entire parish or diocese can do?
Anyone can pursue this, not that they'll get it.

[DeoJuvante]

I don't think that there is necessarily formal rules about doing this. It seems to me that it is really an unpleasant workaround for certain controversial issues and certainly shouldn't be the norm. It is really a most un-Catholic idea.

[SeenAndUnseen]

Thank you for your replies. Some dear people I know are seeking to do this, but don't know how to go about it. Does anyone here happen to know?

[TomUK]

I don't know whether it can happen but i don't believe it should.

[DeoJuvante]

Thank you for your replies. Some dear people I know are seeking to do this, but don't know how to go about it. Does anyone here happen to know?
I don't mean to be rude but it doesn't seem like the sort of thing that most of us here would want to encourage (though correct me if I'm wrong).

[erin74]

I would suggest talking to one of the churches that has pursued this already and see if they can give you some direction.

[No Swansong]

I don't mean to be rude but it doesn't seem like the sort of thing that most of us here would want to encourage (though correct me if I'm wrong).

I don't know about individuals but the numbers of ECUSA parishes and Dioces' is growing daily.

I think seeking alternative oversight (at least for parishes and dioceses' is an honest attempt at maintaining communion not breaking it.

I have to admit it must be a difficult decision either way.

[DeoJuvante]

I think that if they really want to go down that path then they should start by talking to their bishop to see if there is any way that their concerns could be resolved without resorting to such an extreme measure.

[No Swansong]

I think that if they really want to go down that path then they should start by talking to their bishop to see if there is any way that their concerns could be resolved without resorting to such an extreme measure.


That does seem like a reasonable recommendation.

[AngCath]

Personally, I don't think it makes much sense for an individual to seek such things... what actual difference would that make in that person's worship life if the parish they attended did not seek alternate oversight?

Seeking alternate oversight is an action that I trully do sympathize with, my heart and prayers go out to those parishes and diocese who feel forced to take such an extreme measure, I just can't endorse such an action.

[karen freeinchristman]

Personally, I don't think it makes much sense for an individual to seek such things... what actual difference would that make in that person's worship life if the parish they attended did not seek alternate oversight?

Seeking alternate oversight is an action that I trully do sympathize with, my heart and prayers go out to those parishes and diocese who feel forced to take such an extreme measure, I just can't endorse such an action.
It's so great seeing you around again, AngCath! I imagine you must be pretty busy sorting stuff out.

[No Swansong]

Personally, I don't think it makes much sense for an individual to seek such things... what actual difference would that make in that person's worship life if the parish they attended did not seek alternate oversight?

Seeking alternate oversight is an action that I trully do sympathize with, my heart and prayers go out to those parishes and diocese who feel forced to take such an extreme measure, I just can't endorse such an action.


It's a good point that it probably doesn't make much difference as far as a persons worship life is concerned. However as a Christian it is important who our authority is. Just hypothetically if I have a Bishop who I believe to be heretical would I not have a good reason to seek alternative oversight.

[DeoJuvante]

It's a good point that it probably doesn't make much difference as far as a persons worship life is concerned. However as a Christian it is important who our authority is. Just hypothetically if I have a Bishop who I believe to be heretical would I not have a good reason to seek alternative oversight.
It's an interesting question for us Anglicans, torn as we are between the Catholic and the Protestant. From the Catholic perspective, we ought to follow our bishop but from the Protestant perspective, we ought to use our own judgement.

[No Swansong]

It's an interesting question for us Anglicans, torn as we are between the Catholic and the Protestant. From the Catholic perspective, we ought to follow our bishop but from the Protestant perspective, we ought to use our own judgement.


It's a good answer Saepius but what about those Catholics who may believe their Bishop to be heretical? Are they still compelled to follow him/her?

[karen freeinchristman]

It's a good answer Saepius but what about those Catholics who may believe their Bishop to be heretical? Are they still compelled to follow him/her?This again depends on the definition of what it means to be heretical. At the moment, I can't recall the exact definition. Anyone else?

[No Swansong]

This again depends on the definition of what it means to be heretical. At the moment, I can't recall the exact definition. Anyone else?

For arguments sake how about this one.

1 a : adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma

[SeenAndUnseen]

I think that if they really want to go down that path then they should start by talking to their bishop to see if there is any way that their concerns could be resolved without resorting to such an extreme measure.

This is the wisest advice, of course. Unfortunately, these people have contacted their bishop on numerous occasions since 2003, but the bishop talked down to them, treated them like ignorant-minded little children who could not possibly know what they wanted, and effectively ignored their concerns. They have lost all respect for him.

[DeoJuvante]

For arguments sake how about this one.

1 a : adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma
Which brings us to the crux of the problem:

What is the dogma of the (Anglican) church?

[TomUK]

Which brings us to the crux of the problem:

What is the dogma of the (Anglican) church?

Fair point. The nature of Anglicanism means that we are not managed from a centrality, such as Rome. Authority is much more local and through the diocese and parishes. Therefore couldn't heretical (though it's not really appropriate in this context) simply be understood as a doctrine which is contrary to the accepted teaching of an individual Parish?

[higgs2]

We don't have dogma. We have the Chicago-Lambeth quadrilateral.