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TheSuperNews
21st July 2006, 07:57 PM
Understanding how we can still be a sinner, and yet still successfully actually stop sinning, can be illustrated by the example of a successful Alcoholic Anonymous person in recovery.

Once you are an Alcoholic you are always on some level addicted to Alcohol, your body is always biologically very susceptible to the negative effects of alcohol, But once youstop drinking it and get free from the strong compulsive needs of alcohol, by practicing the twelve step program, you are in recovery, and you can be just as decent and productive a person as a non-addict.

So an alcoholic's situation is analogous to our sinful state, where we habitually sin. But we may think we are only an occasional sinner, until someone (or the Word of God) points out that we are indeed an active sinner. Then we can go one of two ways, we can make excuses and avoid stopping sinning by rationalizing that "everybody sins, or i sin so little, it's not hurting anybody. It's normal to sin once and awhile, God allows it" Or we can work the "12 steps", confessing our sins, and depending as the AA programs encourgage, to admit we are basically powerless in and of ourselves (by our own will power) to overcome sin, and begin to consistently depend on the filling of Holy Spirit, and the life of Jesus Christ, the Great Overcomer to take charge of our lives and defeat sin in us.

And so like the successful recovering alcoholic who actually stops drinking alcohol by working the 12 steps, and relying on God's power, we as sinners can stop sinning. Although we never stop having the core weakness or brokeness for sin, and thus we can be still called "sinners", we can enjoy a sin-free, like an alcoholic free, relationship with God and others...and reap all the blessings.

Soooo, where are we as christians when we say, "Oh, it is normal to sin, everybody sins, my religion teacher says we can never stop sinning, i have tried, i always sin again, therefore that would be like becoming a liar to try or even think i could stop sinning!"

We are all sinners because our flesh is weak, but we can work God's program (sanctification), confess, turn away from sin and towards God, forgive others, and as we so desperately need, have God forgive us, and become submissive to the power of Holy Spirit to take control of bodies and minds, and cause us to stop sinning.

Daniels
21st July 2006, 10:18 PM
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit [who is] in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

Eikon
21st July 2006, 10:34 PM
But once youstop drinking it and get free from the strong compulsive needs of alcohol, by practicing the twelve step program, you are in recovery, and you can be just as decent and productive a person as a non-addict.

An attitude like that there, is not only offensive, but will drive new people out of a meeting.

#2, the concept of a Higher Power in 12 step programs, is FAR from Christian. They train you to put your faith and trust in the program, more than they do in any HP. I cant even speak at meetings anymore because people dont want to hear me talk about God.

TheSuperNews
22nd July 2006, 12:22 AM
zero: I believe the original program was set up for Christ to be the higher power, and i understand now Christ is never mentioned, and I understand how you say in real meeting people would leave the meeting if you talk about Christ...but the point is the twelve step program will work if Christ is the higher power...afterall plenty of Churches do twelve step programs today.

I know people who have succeeded stopping drinking through AA, by having Christ as their higher power...I also know of an AA like program that helps homosexuals get out of that (because they want to get out of it, its like a sexual addiction for them I have witnessed)...and from what I have witnessed, it definitely works...

Anyway, sorry AA was a bad trip for ya.

My main point was that a person can know that because of his flesh he can correctly acknowledge that he has sinned and is of the fallen sin stuff...but certainly even the worst of fallen humans, can repent, confess their sins, turn to God, be washed and clean and be free of sin, and then, better, learn to submit to the Holy (set apart for righteousness) Spirit that Jesus Christ provided and gave to them, and because of that constant ever growing submission overcome sin, just like a drunk can eventually permanently stop drinking.

christandisrael
23rd July 2006, 08:28 PM
They are trying to reduce the 'God-stuff':help:

TheSuperNews
23rd July 2006, 09:48 PM
They are trying to reduce the God stuff? That's tragic, because i do believe the original AA member, the one that started the whole thing, relied on our precious Lord Jesus to be his higher power.

I became acquainted with the process several years ago, as i was a supportive family member for my brother-in-law, and so i witness it worked. Back then it was "understood" that Jesus Christ was the most likely HP that fit the program, but were already just referring to him as the "higher power" in the sessions.

Quite sad, but i know there are churches and private faith based alcohol recovery orgs that still outwardly promote Jesus Christ as the higher power.

Any, wow, it's can be a dark world out there...

christandisrael
25th July 2006, 07:17 PM
It seems like AA is triying to get rid of Christ so that other members aren't offended.:cry:

Joshua Howard
26th July 2006, 11:51 AM
Understanding how we can still be a sinner, and yet still successfully actually stop sinning, can be illustrated by the example of a successful Alcoholic Anonymous person in recovery.

...Or it could be illustrated by Saul on the Damascus road. Glory to God, folks. I used to spend my life in front of a computer looking at pornography; It wasn't twelve steps that fixed my problem... it was one step down to an altar. By the blood of Jesus the old account of sin in our hearts can be settled for instnatly and eternally.