[open] Lebanon's Government's Stance is giving Asylum to Hezbollah.

[WordofGod]

Shalom All,

Lebanon's Government's Stance is giving Asylum to Hezbollah. Thus in directly declaring War with Hezbollah on Isreal. This is not good. We must continue to pray.:groupray:

May Yahweh bless us all

[Torah]

What would you do?
6 years ago I moved into a new neighborhood and found that the neighbors were very click-ish [friendly to each other] But, not to friendly to me or my family. This is ok with me and my family, we just keep to ourselves. After about a month of living in our new house my wife starts planting flowers on the property line of one of our neighbor the neighbor comes out and tell my wife that she is planting her plants on his property and would appreciate it is she moved them back about 10 feet. My wife come and gets me and me and this neighbor gets into a heated argument and I tell this neighbor that when we bought this land surveyors checked this property line he storms off and my wife finishes planting her flowers. The next morning the flowers are lying on the ground. (Dug up) I call the police and they say the only thing they can do is talk to our neighbor because there is no proof they did it. My wife goes out and plants more flowers and three days later there is just the hole in the ground where the flowers were, and the flowers are no place to be found. I go to my neighbor and ask if there is anything we can do to work this out? He says “yes! Plant your plants 10 feet back”. I don’t try to plant plants in this space no more but I start seeing beer bottles, old car parts, and junk in this space of land. After about a year of this I get with this neighbor and tell him he can have this 10 foot piece of land and that I am going to put up a wooden private fence 10feet back. “Thanks” he says. I put up the fence and there is no problem for about a month or two. Then I stare getting beer bottles & large rocks in the yard. I call my neighbor and ask him about it and he says it’s not him. This goes on for about 6 weeks and then late one night about 1am I am sitting on the porch with the lights out and two of my neighbor teenage sons drive up in there yard and before going into there house they throw a bunch of beet bottles in my yard. In the morning I confront my neighbor about this and he tells me he will talk to his boys. It’s good for about a month then it starts up again. I talk to my neighbor again and he tells me the same thing. But this time it did no good at all, the rocks & bottles still just keep coming. This has been going on for almost 6 years. When I call the police they say all they can do is talk to the neighbor. And nothing changes.
The final straw! Monday my two doges were lying dead in my yard, “poison”.
I can take it no more! What would you do?

[WordofGod]

What would you do?
6 years ago I moved into a new neighborhood and found that the neighbors were very click-ish [friendly to each other] But, not to friendly to me or my family. This is ok with me and my family, we just keep to ourselves. After about a month of living in our new house my wife starts planting flowers on the property line of one of our neighbor the neighbor comes out and tell my wife that she is planting her plants on his property and would appreciate it is she moved them back about 10 feet. My wife come and gets me and me and this neighbor gets into a heated argument and I tell this neighbor that when we bought this land surveyors checked this property line he storms off and my wife finishes planting her flowers. The next morning the flowers are lying on the ground. (Dug up) I call the police and they say the only thing they can do is talk to our neighbor because there is no proof they did it. My wife goes out and plants more flowers and three days later there is just the hole in the ground where the flowers were, and the flowers are no place to be found. I go to my neighbor and ask if there is anything we can do to work this out? He says “yes! Plant your plants 10 feet back”. I don’t try to plant plants in this space no more but I start seeing beer bottles, old car parts, and junk in this space of land. After about a year of this I get with this neighbor and tell him he can have this 10 foot piece of land and that I am going to put up a wooden private fence 10feet back. “Thanks” he says. I put up the fence and there is no problem for about a month or two. Then I stare getting beer bottles & large rocks in the yard. I call my neighbor and ask him about it and he says it’s not him. This goes on for about 6 weeks and then late one night about 1am I am sitting on the porch with the lights out and two of my neighbor teenage sons drive up in there yard and before going into there house they throw a bunch of beet bottles in my yard. In the morning I confront my neighbor about this and he tells me he will talk to his boys. It’s good for about a month then it starts up again. I talk to my neighbor again and he tells me the same thing. But this time it did no good at all, the rocks & bottles still just keep coming. This has been going on for almost 6 years. When I call the police they say all they can do is talk to the neighbor. And nothing changes.
The final straw! Monday my two doges were lying dead in my yard, “poison”.
I can take it no more! What would you do?

Shalom

I would put up motion detector lights and a video Cammera that couldn't be seen filming them very easily. The lights would most likily blind them from any cammera that was behind them, than I would show the Police the many films.

In Short: Get the evidence and let the Police and courts do their job.

I'll be praying for you and yours.:wave:

[Henaynei]

What would you do?
6 years ago I moved into a new neighborhood and found that the neighbors were very click-ish [friendly to each other] But, not to friendly to me or my family. This is ok with me and my family, we just keep to ourselves. After about a month of living in our new house my wife starts planting flowers on the property line of one of our neighbor the neighbor comes out and tell my wife that she is planting her plants on his property and would appreciate it is she moved them back about 10 feet. My wife come and gets me and me and this neighbor gets into a heated argument and I tell this neighbor that when we bought this land surveyors checked this property line he storms off and my wife finishes planting her flowers. The next morning the flowers are lying on the ground. (Dug up) I call the police and they say the only thing they can do is talk to our neighbor because there is no proof they did it. My wife goes out and plants more flowers and three days later there is just the hole in the ground where the flowers were, and the flowers are no place to be found. I go to my neighbor and ask if there is anything we can do to work this out? He says “yes! Plant your plants 10 feet back”. I don’t try to plant plants in this space no more but I start seeing beer bottles, old car parts, and junk in this space of land. After about a year of this I get with this neighbor and tell him he can have this 10 foot piece of land and that I am going to put up a wooden private fence 10feet back. “Thanks” he says. I put up the fence and there is no problem for about a month or two. Then I stare getting beer bottles & large rocks in the yard. I call my neighbor and ask him about it and he says it’s not him. This goes on for about 6 weeks and then late one night about 1am I am sitting on the porch with the lights out and two of my neighbor teenage sons drive up in there yard and before going into there house they throw a bunch of beet bottles in my yard. In the morning I confront my neighbor about this and he tells me he will talk to his boys. It’s good for about a month then it starts up again. I talk to my neighbor again and he tells me the same thing. But this time it did no good at all, the rocks & bottles still just keep coming. This has been going on for almost 6 years. When I call the police they say all they can do is talk to the neighbor. And nothing changes.
The final straw! Monday my two doges were lying dead in my yard, “poison”.
I can take it no more! What would you do? instead of talking to the police - talk to a lawyer - he can give you more information than can the police :) This has crossed the line and anyone who will kill animals will harm humans - you need to take this seriously

[WordofGod]

instead of talking to the police - talk to a lawyer - he can give you more information than can the police :) This has crossed the line and anyone who will kill animals will harm humans - you need to take this seriously

If he gets the evidence through film and or witnesses he can sign a complaint against his neighbor through the police and the D.A. will represent him and his family and it won't cost him anything but the evidence collecting devices which he and his family can keep.:)The best kind of witnesses are those independent of the problem.

[CovenantRay]

Dear Achi Torah:

This must be terrible for you and your family -- I really feel for and will pray for you and your situation. I'm inclined to agree with our mishbocha here.

Motion detector floodlights are not terribly expensive and would be a good first step. A call to a home security company with your specific issues might provide you with a range of options not thought of here.

A call to the ASPCA might provide some investigation assistance with the poisoning of your pets.

I'm so sorry this has happened,

CovenantRay :prayer:

[WordofGod]

Dear Achi Torah:

This must be terrible for you and your family -- I really feel for and will pray for you and your situation. I'm inclined to agree with our mishbocha here.

Motion detector floodlights are not terribly expensive and would be a good first step. A call to a home security company with your specific issues might provide you with a range of options not thought of here.

A call to the ASPCA might provide some investigation assistance with the poisoning of your pets.

I'm so sorry this has happened,

CovenantRay :prayer:

Those are good thoughts, brother, it is always good to have more good counselors.:amen: Very wise. What does,(mishbocha), mean?

[Henaynei]

If he gets the evidence through film and or witnesses he can sign a complaint against his neighbor through the police and the D.A. will represent him and his family and it won't cost him anything but the evidence collecting devices which he and his family can keep.:)The best kind of witnesses are those independent of the problem. that is a mighty big IF - especially since this has escalated to terminal violence aimed personally at his family - sure go and get the detector and camera, that is not a bad idea - BUT go talk to an attorney too.

They can tell you what legal recourse you have to protect your family and what kind of evidence will actually be useful. None of us here are CSI or attorneys and they are the evidence experts. This has become serious and potentially deadly. Sure the perpetrator might not *mean* for what ever they decide to do next that they *thought* would be cute or "fun" to be deadly but they have already shown a clear and present lack of conscious and responsibility - coupled with fatal attacks (on your pets) that have already affected your family, you and your family have reason to be afraid as well as angry. The warning is too clear (and heaven sent) to ignore, the police (if they are honest) and the attorney will tell you that. Cover ALL your bases - go talk to a real attorney....

b'Shalom
Henaynei

[CovenantRay]

Those are good thoughts, brother, it is always good to have more good counselors.:amen: Very wise. What does,(mishbocha), mean?

This word essentially means Family but generally is used to describe something broader, including even distant family relatives. I've used it here to include my larger, messianic family here on CF. Christians tend to use the word "bretheren" or "brothers and sisters" in a similar way.

Sorry if this was confusing and others tranliterate the word "mishpacha".

CovenantRay :prayer:

[Sephania]

So Torah this is really about your family, I thought it was like a parallel to the story about Israel and Her neighbors and putting up fences and such? :confused:

[Torah]

And So! What do you do when the boys father, lawyers, police/world don’t do a thing to stop your neighbors actions agents you. Even after complying with your neighbor ridicules demands for land that is not his in the first place, you would think I would have peace now, Right. I have to come to the conclusion that it’s not about my land, but this neighbor just hates me! And wants me out, or dead, it doesn’t matter to him just as long as I am gone.
The world’s solution is; move or set up motion detector lights and video Cameras.
There are video Cameras & motion detector and it’s all recorded, It’s just that no one cares.
After all it’s just a family of Jews.

It is easy to sit in our safe homes and give Israel advice on what they should or should not do, or how they should act with there neighbors. But when we are drawn into this conflict with our heart it might make it a little clear, the frustration Israel is going through with neighbors that want them out [.] And, it is all of the neighbors that want this. Other neighbors help supply the rocks, bottles & sons. The tactic (#1) is; use small groups to throw the bottles & rocks and give them a safe haven to run to. The world might yell at the father for allowing his sons to do these things but the father does not stop them.
Peace talks; this also is (#2) tactic used by the neighbors. The neighbor says “there will be peace if we could have just 10feet of land”. Ok, take 10feet and I’ll have peace with my neighbors. Then it’s back to tactic (#1). The end result will always be, “get me out”[.]

[WordofGod]

And So! What do you do when the boys father, lawyers, police/world don’t do a thing to stop your neighbors actions agents you. Even after complying with your neighbor ridicules demands for land that is not his in the first place, you would think I would have peace now, Right. I have to come to the conclusion that it’s not about my land, but this neighbor just hates me! And wants me out, or dead, it doesn’t matter to him just as long as I am gone.
The world’s solution is; move or set up motion detector lights and video Cameras.
There are video Cameras & motion detector and it’s all recorded, It’s just that no one cares.
After all it’s just a family of Jews.

It is easy to sit in our safe homes and give Israel advice on what they should or should not do, or how they should act with there neighbors. But when we are drawn into this conflict with our heart it might make it a little clear, the frustration Israel is going through with neighbors that want them out [.] And, it is all of the neighbors that want this. Other neighbors help supply the rocks, bottles & sons. The tactic (#1) is; use small groups to throw the bottles & rocks and give them a safe haven to run to. The world might yell at the father for allowing his sons to do these things but the father does not stop them.
Peace talks; this also is (#2) tactic used by the neighbors. The neighbor says “there will be peace if we could have just 10feet of land”. Ok, take 10feet and I’ll have peace with my neighbors. Then it’s back to tactic (#1). The end result will always be, “get me out”[.]

The hypothetical situation is not the same.

You see the flowers as flowers and your neighbor sees them as beer bottles. You see your neighbor doing things in the dark while your actions are seen as being done in the day light. You don't have a common police force, someone who is obligated to inforce the law. The UN comes closest but their will is to divided at the very top representative.

Which puts all opposing forces back to square one.

That's why Elohim is the answer we must put our trust in. H_ has always saved those who have put all their trust in him, our one and ONLY true G_d can enlighten the minds and hearts of men or harden them or whatever he chooses but he is the answer.:crossrc:

Safty is with the L_rd.
__________________:bow:

[Henaynei]

So Torah this is really about your family, I thought it was like a parallel to the story about Israel and Her neighbors and putting up fences and such? :confused:I hope you are right Zayit !

[Torah]

I hope you are right Zayit !
It’s horrible to think a family would and should have to put up with such evil for so long. Isn’t it. But let that family get fed up with such actions and moves to put an end to said actions and they are looked upon as the evil ones.
It’s a shame.

[Torah]

You see the flowers as flowers and your neighbor sees them as beer bottles. You see your neighbor doing things in the dark while your actions are seen as being done in the day light.

Which puts all opposing forces back to square one.

I see flowers as a people doing as they pleas on there land with out have beer bottles=bullets, shells or rockets raining down on them. SO! Planting my flowers on my land and expecting to be left alone by my neighbor is considered a dark action?. Where my neighbor, whose is “doing things” is considered actions in the light?.

You don't have a common police force,
This is very true. And neither does Israel. Thus they being forced to take action into there own hands.

someone who is obligated to inforce the law. The UN comes closest but their will is to divided at the very top representative. (to say the least)

Which puts all opposing forces back to square one.
So the family moves on the terrorists that have been terrorizing them for so long.
And this is wrong?

That's why Elohim is the answer we must put our trust in. H_ has always saved those who have put all their trust in him, our one and ONLY true G_d can enlighten the minds and hearts of men or harden them or whatever he chooses but he is the answer. Safty is with the L_rd.
I agree with this . and pray that the neighbors will cease there terrorists actions with rocks & bottles so I will not be forced to take actions that I don’t want to take.

[stone]

Put the fence up to take your 10 feet back, maybe plant cactus on your side of the fence after takeing your 10 feet back.

i pray that their evil ways are returned to them today

[Henaynei]

the ultimate attorney/advocate/judge is HaShem - and He has given license for you to claim and defend that which His Law says is yours!

build the "fence" - just a few feet back from the "line" then "plant Spanish bayonet" fore (up to the property line) and aft - only problem is that you can't count on your other neighbors to stay out of the fray......

[Torah]

Rice Seeks Long-Term Peace on Mideast Trip
Friday, July 21, 2006

The top U.S. diplomat defended her decision not to meet with Hezbollah leaders or their Syrian backers during her visit.
"Syria knows what it needs to do, and Hezbollah is the source of the problem," Rice said as she previewed her trip, which begins with a stop in Israel.

Rice said the United States is committed to ending the bloodshed, but not before certain conditions are met. The Bush administration has said that Hezbollah must first turn over the two Israeli soldiers whose capture set off the 10-day-old violence, and stop firing missiles into Israel.

"We do seek an end to the current violence, we seek it urgently. We also seek to address the root causes of that violence," Rice said. "A cease-fire would be a false promise if it simply returns us to the status quo."

The United States has resisted international pressure to lean on its ally Israel to halt the fighting. The U.S. position has allowed Israel more time to try to destroy what both nations consider a Hezbollah terrorist network in southern Lebanon.

Ayalon said in an interview.
He described the Israeli military assault as a "mop up" operation, and said that Israel had no desire to repeat its 18-year occupation of southern Lebanon that ended in 2000.

full story
http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsstory.asp?cat=breakingnews&id=20060721/44c1a2c0_3ca6_1552620060722-1556867942 (http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsstory.asp?cat=breakingnews&id=20060721/44c1a2c0_3ca6_1552620060722-1556867942)

The [international] world would have been happy is Israel would have did nothing and allow things to just stay as they were.
Yes, we should pray for peace. And then take action, if need be, to achieve that peace. And that peace is threatened by Hezbollah the source of the problem. L-rd, give Israel the strength to over come them that wish to destroy Israel. And change Israel neighbors minds & hearts to live with Israel in peace. :pray:

[Henaynei]

I saw her press conference and for the most part was impressed..... for the most part...... let's face it, there is no one, in any non-Arab government, who *really* gets it when it comes to the core issues and the real solutions in dealing with the Islamic "extremists" :sigh:

[Torah]

I saw her press conference and for the most part was impressed..... for the most part...... let's face it, there is no one, in any non-Arab government, who *really* gets it when it comes to the core issues and the real solutions in dealing with the Islamic "extremists" :sigh:

:thumbsup:

[Henaynei]

refocusing for clarity:

The name of the terrorist group is not Hezbollah - that is a poor transposition of a poor transliteration of the true Arabic term.

The name of the group is 2 Arabic words: Hizb' = (political) party and Allah = god. In Arabic it is written (approximately) Hizb Allah - the party of god.

it is their belief that they have a mandate from their god to bring all the middle east (and eventually the rest of the world) under Islamic rule and Islamic law..... *only* then, in their view, will there ever be peace.....

[Tishri1]

moving this to prophecy and current events so we dont lose it here

[Henaynei]

Thanks Tish :)