[open]How to approach the Throne of G-d

[Sephania]

This used to be called "Cost of Revival - Messiah 2006 - First Class Teaching" But I changed the title in hopes that more would be interested in this teaching.


As promised I will be giving my synopsis of the classes I took while at Messiah 2006 - 'Zealous for Zion'

I don't have the CD yet, but have some sketchy notes I took. This was my very first class, Monday morning July 3rd.

It was given by Rabbi Judah Hungerman , here is a little bio about him:


Rabbi Judah Hungerman
Rabbi Hungerman received Messiah in 1976 after which he studied and taught as well as counseled for drug and occult ministries. Also for a time he became a counselor for the 700 club.
In 1978 he attended Messiah '78, the yearly conference of the MJAA and there he caught the Vision of Messianic Judaism. Answering a call of G-d, the doors of Both Simcha Messianic Synagogue were opened on August 14,1987 for Erev Shabbat services on Friday evenings at 4500 Swift Rd.
Rabbi Hungerman received Shmeecah (Ordination) as a Messianic Rabbi under the auspices of the International Association of Messianic Congregations and Synagogues. He now serves as the Chairman of the IAMCS.
He became known in the community as an excellent Bible teacher when he had a Saturday morning radio program on WKZM called "Shalom in Yeshua" which lasted for several years.
Rabbi Hungerman has led several tours to Israel as well as being the Goodwill Ambassador to Europe. He has spoken in England, France, Belgium, Holland and has been to Russia to share the Vision of Messianic Judaism. Read more about him here (http://www.bethyeshuafla.com/about.htm)


He is curently the Secretary of the MJAA
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So, the name of this class was, "The Cost of Revival". I wasn't to into the sound of it, picturing huge tents and summer nights and such, ;) but the teacher I knew of and respected and had attended other classes he ahd given at years past Messiah conferences so chose to attend this one, and was very glad I did, it was a wonderful, first class in all ways.:)

This class won out from the choices of the time slot:

11:00 AM ( not I did not make the first class, was beat from the night before and the travel and the set up in the Cultural center)

The Cost of Revival - Judah Hungerman - Brubaker
A vision that shall not Fail - Michael Weygant - Fine Arts 119
Exercise your Faith daily to recieve G-ds Miracle - Racquel Kluge- Frey 110 ( my DH opted for this one
Messianic Vision: Glasses, contacts or Lasik? - Alan Levine - Poorman Auditorium

This is what I can recall from my notes, not everything is exactly what he said in exact words, and my thoughts are intertwined as well so keep that in mind, please.

Well, with coffee in hand from the Falcon ( they make a wonderful organic strong brew, love it!~ ) I opened my bible and notebook and listened. Listened as he asked for volunteers. He got three up in front with him and then asked if there was a doctor in the house ( at a MJ convention? you think ?:) ) So when one of the DR's came up, he asked one of the volunteers if they would like the Dr to perform CPR on them. It took them a moment but they finally replied 'no'.

So Judah asked them 'why not".

The reply: 'because I am not dead'.

Made sense, why would you need CPR if you are not dead, do you need to be revived if you are alive?

No.

And that was his point, and the point of 'Revival'.

To that Great Physician, we need to be revived, but we can only be revived if we are dead, dead to ourselves.

How can we approach the Holy place? Yes, Yeshua made a way for us, the veil tore after he hung on the stake, and a way was made for us, but can we just blatantly go in there?

Let me ask a question, Would you take a pig into the Holy of Holies with you?

NO.

Why not?

Because it is not clean.

Yeshua did not make 'everything' clean.

He came to cleanse the humans from their uncleaness but not animals. ( but I believe in the haba olam everything will be made clean as death is no longer)

And he made a way for the clean only to come into the Holy of Holies.

So are we all clean, if we accept Yeshua's atonement?

Yes and no.

Now before anyone objects, this is not, I repeat NOT a salvation issue.


End of Part 1
I will post part 2 later.

[Sephania]

Part 2

Sorry this took so long.

So are we cleansed once and for all? I didnt' get that from this class. Judah was using a good imagry that many use when the Ruach HaKodesh is trying to work with an individual on something, when we know we are doing something not in his will nor in his law, we acknowledge it with something like:

"I plead the blood of Yeshua" ( and with this he would pull out his wallet and raise it up like it was some kind of badge or special pass that would let you get out of jail free card).

But is that what He wants from us?

Pleading the Blood of Yeshua does not make us clean, it does not 'cover your sin' you have to deal with it and that is what the Ruach HaKodesh is also there for, aka 'Conscience', you have to make it right.

Now remember this IS NOT A SALVATION ISSUE! But a HOLINESS issue. :holy:

Remember when it comes to being clean or unclean, all your works are nothing, they are as filthy ( aka menstrual ) rags, in other words, UNCLEAN. :sick:

You may have a list of credentials a mile long that would impress just about every person in one way or another, but they don't impress G-d. He is only interested in your state of cleanliness.

So, What makes you unclean in His sight?

ANGER
BITTERNESS
HURT
UNFORGIVENESS
UNBELIEF
:sigh:

Wait, unbelief?:confused:

[Sephania]

Part 3

Yes, unbelief.

You say, 'I believe'

But how much?


How much trust do you put in Yeshua? How much do you die to yourself and let him lead your every thought, word, deed?

Help me

HELP ME!!



Mark 9

14 When they got back to the talmidim, they saw a large crowd around them and some Torah-teachers arguing with them. 15 As soon as the crowd saw him, they were surprised and ran out to greet him. 16 He asked them, "What's the discussion about?" 17 One of the crowd gave him the answer: "Rabbi, I brought my son to you because he has an evil spirit in him that makes him unable to talk. 18 Whenever it seizes him, it throws him to the ground -- he foams at the mouth, grinds his teeth and becomes stiff all over. I asked your talmidim to drive the spirit out, but they couldn't do it." 19 "People without any trust!" he responded. "How long will I be with you? How long must I put up with you? Bring him to me!" 20 They brought the boy to him; and as soon as the spirit saw him, it threw the boy into a convulsion. 21 Yeshua asked the boy's father, "How long has this been happening to him?" "Ever since childhood," he said; 22 "and it often tries to kill him by throwing him into the fire or into the water. But if you can do anything, have pity on us and help us!"


23 Yeshua said to him, "What do you mean, `if you can'? Everything is possible to someone who has trust!"

24 Instantly the father of the child exclaimed, "I do trust -- help my lack of trust!"



Help my unbelief. Make it stronger L-RD!!! I want to trust more, I want to let go, I want to see miracles happen! I want to walk in what you said!!!


John 14:12

Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever trusts in me will also do the works I do!Indeed, he will do greater ones, because I am going to the Father.


Greater than what Yeshua did?

WE need faith, trust,

Yeshua in Matthew 17 speaks more on this:


14 As they came up to the crowd, a man approached Yeshua, kneeled down in front of him, 15 and said, "Sir, have mercy on my son, because he is an epileptic and has such terrible fits that he often falls into the fire or into the water. 16 I brought him to your talmidim, but they couldn't heal him."


17 Yeshua answered, "Perverted people, without any trust! How long will I be with you? How long must I put up with you? Bring him here to me!"

18 Yeshua rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, so that from that moment he was healed. 19 Then the talmidim went to him privately and said, "Why couldn't we drive it out?"


YES WHY? If Yeshua told them they could indeed do this?



He said to them, "Because you have such little trust!

Yes! I tell you that if you have trust as tiny as a mustard seed, you will be able to say to this mountain, `Move from here to there!' and it will move; indeed, nothing will be impossible for you!"


Did you see that? NOTHING will be IMPOSSIBLE!!!

[Sephania]

PART 4

Rabbi Hungerman then told us that he had been studying sign language. He now had a deaf secretary and he was taking sign language lessons so he could communicate with her. He said something like this:

"Well, I really am pretty great, huh? I've got a deaf secretary and to show my works I am taking sign language lessons so I can talk to her, adds one more thing to my credentials." (He shows his ribbions and his wallet) 'Yeah, I'm feeling preeeety good'.

The L-RD - 'Not impressed'

Judah- 'But L-RD I am doing this for her, I am giving of my time to do this'

The L-RD - 'Still not impressed'

And why should he be? Hello, I have a deaf secretary and what 'I'm doing' is taking sign language?!~?!

Whoppdy doo!

Where is my faith, my trust, I should be able to lay hands on her and make her hear!!!

But I take sign language. :sigh:

L-RD I believe, Help my unbelief."

So where is our trust? Where is our faith? Are we clean? Can we approach the Holy of Holies and not be killed?

In the Mishkan the High Priest, the Cohen HaGadol had to cleanse himself serveral times on Yom Kippur in preparation of going in that one time a year before the throne of G-d. He had to cleanse himself on the outside as well as the inside.

[Sephania]

PART 5

Here is the commandments concerning entering into the Holy of Holies Lev. 16

ADONAI spoke with Moshe after the death of Aharon's two sons, when they tried to sacrifice before ADONAI and died; 2 ADONAI said to Moshe, "Tell your brother Aharon not to come at just any time into the Holy Place beyond the curtain, in front of the ark-cover which is on the ark, so that he will not die; because I appear in the cloud over the ark-cover. 3 "Here is how Aharon is to enter the Holy Place: with a young bull as a sin offering and a ram as a burnt offering. 4 He is to put on the holy linen tunic, have the linen shorts next to his bare flesh, have the linen sash wrapped around him, and be wearing the linen turban -they are the holy garments.


He is to bathe his body in water and put them on.

5 "He is to take from the community of the people of Isra'el two male goats for a sin offering and one ram for a burnt offering. 6 Aharon is to present the bull for the sin offering which is for himself and make atonement for himself and his household. 7 He is to take the two goats and place them before ADONAI at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 8 Then Aharon is to cast lots for the two goats, one lot for ADONAI and the other for 'Az'azel. 9 Aharon is to present the goat whose lot fell to ADONAI and offer it as a sin offering. 10 But the goat whose lot fell to 'Az'azel is to be presented alive to ADONAI to be used for making atonement over it by sending it away into the desert for 'Az'azel. 11 "Aharon is to present the bull of the sin offering for himself; he will make atonement for himself and his household; he is to slaughter the bull of the sin offering which is for himself. 12 He is to take a censer full of burning coals from the altar before ADONAI and, with his hands full of ground, fragrant incense, bring it inside the curtain. 13 He is to put the incense on the fire before ADONAI, so that the cloud from the incense will cover the ark-cover which is over the testimony, in order that he not die. 14 He is to take some of the bull's blood and sprinkle it with his finger on the ark-cover toward the east; and in front of the ark-cover he is to sprinkle some of the blood with his finger seven times.
15 "Next, he is to slaughter the goat of the sin offering which is for the people, bring its blood inside the curtain and do with its blood as he did with the bull's blood, sprinkling it on the ark-cover and in front of the ark-cover. 16 He will make atonement for the Holy Place because of the uncleannesses of the people of Isra'el and because of their transgressions - all their sins; and he is to do the same for the tent of meeting which is there with them right in the middle of their uncleannesses. 17 No one is to be present in the tent of meeting from the time he enters the Holy Place to make atonement until the time he comes out, having made atonement for himself, for his household and for the entire community of Isra'el. 18 Then he is to go out to the altar that is before ADONAI and make atonement for it; he is to take some of the bull's blood and some of the goat's blood and put it on all the horns of the altar. 19 He is to sprinkle some of the blood on it with his finger seven times, thus purifying it and setting it apart from the uncleannesses of the people of Isra'el.
20 "When he has finished atoning for the Holy Place, the tent of meeting and the altar, he is to present the live goat. 21 Aharon is to lay both his hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the transgressions, crimes and sins of the people of Isra'el; he is to put them on the head of the goat and then send it away into the desert with a man appointed for the purpose. 22 The goat will bear all their transgressions away to some isolated place, and he is to let the goat go in the desert. 23 "Aharon is to go back into the tent of meeting, where he is to remove the linen garments he put on when he entered the Holy Place, and he is to leave them there. 24 Then he is to bathe his body in water in a holy place, put on his other clothes, come out and offer his burnt offering and the burnt offering of the people, thus making atonement for himself and for the people. 25 He is to make the fat of the sin offering go up in smoke on the altar. 26 "The man who let go the goat for 'Az'azel is to wash his clothes and bathe his body in water; afterwards, he may return to the camp. 27 "The bull for the sin offering and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the Holy Place, is to be carried outside the camp; there they are to burn up completely their hides, meat and dung. 28 The person burning them is to wash his clothes and bathe his body in water; afterwards, he may return to the camp. 29 "It is to be a permanent regulation for you that on the tenth day of the seventh month you are to deny yourselves and not do any kind of work, both the citizen and the foreigner living with you. 30 For on this day, atonement will be made for you to purify you; you will be clean before ADONAI from all your sins. 31 It is a Shabbat of complete rest for you, and you are to deny yourselves. "This is a permanent regulation. 32 The cohen anointed and consecrated to be cohen in his father's place will make the atonement; he will put on the linen garments, the holy garments; 33 he will make atonement for the Especially Holy Place; he will make atonement for the tent of meeting and the altar; and he will make atonement for the cohanim and for all the people of the community. 34 This is a permanent regulation for you, to make atonement for the people of Isra'el because of all their sins once a year." Moshe did as ADONAI had ordered him.


Before even approaching the altar the priests had to wash their hands and feet.

If the High Priest went in and was not clean the L-RD would kill him.

So can we just 'plead the blood of Yeshua'? Or should we make sure we come before the throne clean first, not just sprinkled with the blood?


One last thing to remember,

EVEN Yeshua had to die before going into the Holy of Holies.

So we must trust, and obey and cleanse ourselved ( through forgivness, repentance, and through trusting in Him to lay things at his feet instead of allowing them to make us unclean ) from all unrighteouness.

We must be Dead to be Revived, we must be dead to sin, dead to ourselves to be able to come before the Throne and be clean in his sight.


Yes, even Yeshua had to die in the flesh to be able to go into the Holy of Holies.

Help my unbelief, :bow: Learn to trust Him more, die to self, cleanse yourself from all unrighteouness and enter the Holy of Holies.

[Sephania]

How many do this, or have heard another say causually, 'I'll just plead the blood of Yeshua', or 'That is what grace is for'? Instead of dealing with it and striving to do better?

I personally have never said it, I haven't even understood it when someone else says it ( pleading the blood) unless in prayer for another, until this class. So I am wondering where did this come from and why is Yeshua's blood used so casually? To me it is a Holy thing, but then again I hold blood in high esteem as HaShem has taught about animals even and mankind, and how much more so of Yeshua's.

[visionary]

I really like what he is presenting... is there more? I like where he is going with this... makes you rethink what you thought you understood.

[Sephania]

I will have to get the cd from a friend who bought it, I didnt' get this one, but have others, I just haven't written about them, it takes alot of time and not sure if anyone is really interested.:)

[stone]

bump:cool:

[visionary]

I think that bump is a hint that we are interested, please continue.

[Sephania]

Ah, some interest, well, update, while in my studio, I usually pick a Messianic cd to play while I am workiing, since my art is bible based. I also listen to the cd's from the conference and about a month ago I choose what I thought was :

'Dare to be Diciplined that you may share His Holiness'

After the shofar blew (done on each cd) it started with the speaker in the process of his opening prayer.

I said to myself

"That sounds like Rabbi Hungerman?" :scratch:

And when he finnished he said:

"Good Morning, I am Rabbi Judah Hungerman."

:)

So through a 'mistake' of the manna recording company, instead of having what I choose, it seems the L-rD made it so I had a copy of this wonderful teaching. :bow:

I can't do it right now, but I will put it on my list of

'Things to do in the Sukkah'

For next week.

We are making a much larger sukkah this year ( 7'x14') so I will have plenty of room to set up the boom box and set at the table and transcribe this for you.

It is a most worthy subject and I am glad to see there is some interest,cause we all need to know this, as we will, one day soon come face to face with him, and I for one don't want to feel like Isaiah did. ;)



~Z

[Torah]

This is very good! Thanks Zayit.

If I may, I would like to share something I learn this Yom Kippur.

16 He will make atonement for the Holy Place because of the uncleannesses of the people of Isra'el and because of their transgressions - all their sins; and he is to do the same for the tent of meeting which is there with them right in the middle of their uncleannesses. 17 No one is to be present in the tent of meeting from the time he enters the Holy Place to make atonement until the time he comes out, having made atonement for himself, for his household and for the entire community of Isra'el.

19 He is to sprinkle some of the blood on it with his finger seven times, thus purifying it and setting it apart from the uncleannesses of the people of Isra'el.

30 For on this day, atonement will be made for you to purify you; you will be clean before ADONAI from all your sins.

I would like to point out that Just as Moses fell between G-d and the people and stood for there sin to be forgiven and G-d forgave there sin. And just as the High Priest stands for the sins of the people and there sins are forgiven, And Just as Yeshua stands for our sin and we are forgiven. At this day of Yom Kippur “WE” can stand for the sin of our family, frinds, our nation, and the nation of Israel.
We spent this Yom Kippur praying for the Sin’s of others.
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[Sephania]

Yes, we did too Torah. I try to explain to some that Passover is about personal salvation, for the lamb was eaten by each member of a household, there was one lamb per family and the blood went on each door post of each Israeli dwelling. But Yom Kippur is a national atonement day. While Yeshua has completed the Passover part the Day of Atonement is only partly completed, it still has a final phase.

:pray:

[Sephania]

How many do this, or have heard another say casually, 'I'll just plead the blood of Yeshua', or 'That is what grace is for'? Instead of dealing with it and striving to do better?

I personally have never said it, I haven't even understood it when someone else says it ( pleading the blood) unless in prayer for another, until this class. So I am wondering where did this come from and why is Yeshua's blood used so casually? To me it is a Holy thing, but then again I hold blood in high esteem as HaShem has taught about animals even and mankind, and how much more so of Yeshua's.

So until I can get to this next week in my succah, anyone want to answer these questions? I am really interested to hear from y'all, this has always made me wonder. So share already!

:)

[visionary]

And then people wonder how all Israel can be saved... They just do not know the prophectic value of the fall feast and what they tell us.