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lilymarie
18th July 2006, 10:59 AM
Hi, I started a thread in the Christian Apologetics section regarding the questions below. It would be greatly appreciated if any of you could answer my questions in that section, as well as here! Thanks so much in advance!
What actually occurs at The Feast of the Tabernacles?
And Why did Jesus say [on the last and GREATEST day of The Feast of the Tabernacles], the following:
37On the last and greatest day of the Feast, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink."
What happens on the last and GREATEST day of The Feast of the Tabernacles?
And what occurred at The Feast of the Tabernacles on the other days?
Please refer to Christian Apologetics as well so the others there can be enlightened. Again, thank you very much!
Torah
18th July 2006, 11:55 AM
[I dont have time right now, but I will say on the Last day water is poured out on the ground, in order to bring rain for the year.
Shalom
Sephania
18th July 2006, 12:35 PM
Check this out:( not endorsing this site)
http://www.season-of-our-joy.com/
This should help, it tells about sukkot and the water pouring ceremony.
Season of our Joy Feast of Tabernacles 2006 (http://season-of-our-joy.com/)
Here is another site http://www.messianic.ws/sukkot.htm
And another http://fp.thebeers.f9.co.uk/sukot.htm
Temple rituals at Tabernacles
Simchat bet ha Sho'ebhah - Joy of the House of Drawing (water) - Ceremony of Water Libation
Every morning of the feast there was a joyous procession to the Pool of Siloam, with music, headed by a priest with a golden pitcher (a little over 2 pints). At the same time there was a procession to the Kidron Valley to collect willow branches which were made into a canopy over the altar of burnt offerings. As the sacrifice proceeded, the priest returning with the water entered through the Water Gate (named for this event). With a threefold trumpet blast he poured the water into a silver receptacle on the altar.
The actual Pool of Siloam (http://fp.thebeers.f9.co.uk/siloam.htm) has recently been discovered a little further down this water course. See ....The Pool of Siloam (http://fp.thebeers.f9.co.uk/siloam.htm)
The rainy season begins after Tabernacles. Rain is needed to soften the ground ready for ploughing. This celebration became associated with looking to the Lord for the rains. It also reminded of the water out of the rock in the wilderness, and of messianic promises such as Isaiah 12 v3 about "joyfully drawing water from the springs of salvation". It is interesting that this offering of water is made at the end of the dry season when water is scarcer - thus it is an act of faith; trusting in the rains to come.
Finnish reading here http://fp.thebeers.f9.co.uk/sukot.htm (http://fp.thebeers.f9.co.uk/sukot.htm)
P_G
18th July 2006, 12:48 PM
This year Sukkot is on Oct 7
It is my favorite holiday actually - I really enjoy building the Sukkah last year I made it out of corn stalks which was pretty cool - messy but cool.
We always invite everyone around especially our friends from our sister western churches to come over and have a meal in the Sukkah with us and dance a bit too!
Many messianics my self included would see Sukkot as the correct time of year to celebrate the birth of Messiah. There is ample evidence that Y'shua was born at this time. So for us and for me it is a big time that we love.
PG
Sephania
18th July 2006, 02:08 PM
Yes, it is the season of our Joy!
:) :clap:
P_G
18th July 2006, 03:35 PM
This is a little plug for the Messianics. Remember to invite all your friend and families to you celebrations. Especially those of us who have various ties to non Messianic churches.
I go to a mens study once a month at a Baptist church. Last week I told them "The best thing about havig a messianic brother is we got 7 holidays that don't show on your calendar."
It got a laugh, it got them thinking and it gets them learning!
pg looking for a lulav
Sephania
18th July 2006, 04:35 PM
I grow my own! :)
BarbB
18th July 2006, 04:38 PM
This year Sukkot is on Oct 7
....
Many messianics my self included would see Sukkot as the correct time of year to celebrate the birth of Messiah. There is ample evidence that Y'shua was born at this time. So for us and for me it is a big time that we love.
PG
Whoa - that's my birthday! It's going to be wonderful this year! :)
S Walch
18th July 2006, 06:31 PM
I've actually asked at my current church if we could have the Church Building so we can throw the next feast of trumpets, day of atonement and Tabernacles.
I am correct in thinking that the feast of Trumpets is on the 23rd of September this year?
I've been reading through the Torah and The New Testament, and I really can't see why no one in the protestant/Roman Catholic/any other denom of Christianity doesn't celebrate the 7 feasts outlined in leviticus. As far as I can see, Yahuweh says they are His feasts, and we should celebrate them.
What do the Messianics think in regard to Leviticus and the 7 special feasts of Yahuweh?
Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits, Weeks/Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles.
What is their major significance?
I've been reading up, and I can perfectly see them all being prophecies;
Passover: Prophecy of Yahushua/s death
Unleavened Bread: Prophetic of our sins beaing "leavened" onto Yahushua whilst He is punished for our sins.
Firstfruits: Prophetic of His Resurrection
Weeks/Penetecost: Prophetic of the indwelling of the Qodesh Rauch
trumpets: Prophetic of the "rapture"
Day of Atonement: Prophetic of Yahushua's return to earth
Tabernacles: Prophetic of the 1000 year Sabbath, and also the time hwen Yahushua was born in 2 BCE.
Am I on the right track?
lilymarie
18th July 2006, 08:09 PM
Thanks for the replys so far! I wish we all could have the celebration of The Feast of the Tabernacles.
Okay next question.
A Messianic Jew told me that the pitcher that was used to HOLD the water was called "Yeshua", and that is why Jesus [Yeshua] said: "If anyone is thirty, let him come to ME and drink." In other words, Yeshua is now the pitcher that holds "the living water".
Do you believe this could be true? Or have you heard of this? I think it is really cool.
I hope it is okay to ask more questions?
p.s. He told me other things too, but I forgot. I only remember the telling of the pitcher that held the water was called Yeshua. It made a lot of sense to me, and I thought it was really beautiful.
visionary
18th July 2006, 08:57 PM
The Lord made a special announcement regarding three of the feasts in which there is a demand for everyone to attend and not miss. 2 Chronicles 8:13 Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.
The basic meaning of the three festivals where it is mandatory for all men to appear before the temple of God are for the blessing contained within.
Pesach or Passover is known as the festival of freedom from bondage. Freedom from the bondage of the Pharoahs of our life. Through the sacrifice and blood of our Lord Jesus on the cross, we have freedom from sin. Sin, the leaven that we are to no longer partake of.
Shavuot better known as the Feasts of Weeks or Pentecost is the festival of walking in freedom towards the promised land. At the first Pentecost people were given the Laws of God that are to govern our day to day life, as shown to Moses on Mount Sinai. This is also the time of the first fruits of the harvest of believers that received the Holy Spirit.
Sukkot or Feast of Tabernacles is the festival of fellowship and union with God, with a God with us understanding. As was illustrated in the forty years in the wilderness, with God dwelling with his people in the tabernacle and latter in the temple at Jerusalem, it is the ultimate goal of God to be with us. In the great ingathering at the end of time, where the believers are raptured as the wife of the Lamb. It is forever that God wishes to have this union with man.
We have significant reasons for studying the festivals as they are of God and are considered Holy Convocations. Convocations are like conventions where people are called to be at a certain time and place, and assembled with the understanding that they are to learn something that is important for their future health and welfare. All festivals are a memorial of the historical events, prophetic indicating they have a future complete fulfillment, teach about the Jesus our Redeemer’s work, and are agricultural in content representing Jesus’s crop from the planting of seed to the last great harvest. All of the festivals teach you about your personal relationship with God and how a believer should grow in the knowledge of Jesus, growing into maturity and into His likeness.
Working our way through the whole chapter of Leviticus 23, the sacred ceremonial sabbaths along with the Weekly Sabbath of the Lord’s are presented in order. Chapter 23 of Leviticus covers all seven feasts. Leviticus 23:1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'These are my appointed feasts, the appointed feasts of the LORD , which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.
Torah
19th July 2006, 03:50 AM
I've actually asked at my current church if we could have the Church Building so we can throw the next feast of trumpets, day of atonement and Tabernacles.
I am correct in thinking that the feast of Trumpets is on the 23rd of September this year?
I've been reading through the Torah and The New Testament, and I really can't see why no one in the protestant/Roman Catholic/any other denom of Christianity doesn't celebrate the 7 feasts outlined in leviticus. As far as I can see, Yahuweh says they are His feasts, and we should celebrate them.
What do the Messianics think in regard to Leviticus and the 7 special feasts of Yahuweh?
Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits, Weeks/Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement, Tabernacles.
What is their major significance?
I've been reading up, and I can perfectly see them all being prophecies;
Passover: Prophecy of Yahushua/s death
Unleavened Bread: Prophetic of our sins beaing "leavened" onto Yahushua whilst He is punished for our sins.
Firstfruits: Prophetic of His Resurrection
Weeks/Penetecost: Prophetic of the indwelling of the Qodesh Rauch
trumpets: Prophetic of the "rapture"
Day of Atonement: Prophetic of Yahushua's return to earth
Tabernacles: Prophetic of the 1000 year Sabbath, and also the time hwen Yahushua was born in 2 BCE.
Am I on the right track?
Your list Yeshua has fulfilled. [Spring feast]
Passover: Prophecy of Yahushua/s death
Unleavened Bread: Prophetic of our sins beaing "leavened" onto Yahushua whilst He is punished for our sins.
Firstfruits: Prophetic of His Resurrection
Weeks/Penetecost: Prophetic of the indwelling of the Qodesh Rauch
The time of the Church.
Your list Yeshua still hast to fulfill. [Fall feast]
trumpets: Prophetic of the "rapture"
Day of Atonement: Prophetic of Yahushua's return to earth
Tabernacles: Prophetic of the 1000 year Sabbath, and also the time hwen Yahushua was born in 2 BCE.
What time of the year would you think Yeshua might return?
Torah
19th July 2006, 04:16 AM
This year Sukkot is on Oct 7
It is my favorite holiday actually - I really enjoy building the Sukkah last year I made it out of corn stalks which was pretty cool - messy but cool.
We always invite everyone around especially our friends from our sister western churches to come over and have a meal in the Sukkah with us and dance a bit too!
Many messianics my self included would see Sukkot as the correct time of year to celebrate the birth of Messiah. There is ample evidence that Y'shua was born at this time. So for us and for me it is a big time that we love.
PG
Looking for a lulav
We get ours from a Jewish grocery store. We keep the greenery of our lulav till Passover. And use it to burn the leaven in a bag that we search for just before Passover.
This year Sukkot is on Oct 7
[It’s nice at night here in Florida, but still a little warm in the day time.]
It is my favorite holiday actually - I really enjoy building the Sukka last year I made it out of corn stalks which was pretty cool - messy but cool.
[I must agree PG, it is my favorite also:thumbsup: ]
We always invite everyone around especially our friends from our sister western churches to come over and have a meal in the Sukka with us and dance a bit too!
[Same here:thumbsup: ]
Many messianic my self included would see Sukkot as the correct time of year to celebrate the birth of Messiah. There is ample evidence that Y'shua was born at this time. So for us and for me it is a big time that we love. :thumbsup:
[I keep wanting to buy one of them little plastic manger sets and then building a little Sukka / manger in my front yard. I all ways get a kick out of, seeing Churches building little Sukka in the front of there church during December. And I wonder if they realize what they are building? ] :D
S Walch
19th July 2006, 05:00 AM
What time of the year would you think Yeshua might return?
October. On the Day of atonement.
But not his year of course lol.
Excuse my ignorance - what's "Sukkot" ?
Edit: nvm, that's Tabernacles.
Torah
19th July 2006, 06:36 AM
October. On the Day of atonement.
But not his year of course lol.
Excuse my ignorance - what's "Sukkot" ?
Edit: nvm, that's Tabernacles.
October. On the Day of atonement. [The fall feast do not always fall in Oct, it is set by the moon and sometimes falls in Sep. Always in the fall of the year] :wave:
But not this year of course lol.:)
Excuse my ignorance - what's "Sukkot" ?
Edit: nvm, that's Tabernacles.:thumbsup:
S Walch
19th July 2006, 06:50 AM
October. On the Day of atonement. [The fall feast do not always fall in Oct, it is set by the moon and sometimes falls in Sep. Always in the fall of the year] :wave:
But not this year of course lol.:)
Excuse my ignorance - what's "Sukkot" ?
Edit: nvm, that's Tabernacles.:thumbsup:
Sorry, not being american, I don't use "fall", so I'm guessing you mean autumn or something? :)
I think He's gonna return no later than 2040 CE, but that's just me.
visionary
19th July 2006, 09:05 AM
Sorry, not being american, I don't use "fall", so I'm guessing you mean autumn or something? :)
I think He's gonna return no later than 2040 CE, but that's just me.Interesting that you say 2040, WHY? Don't want it happening in your life time.
I think that the eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles the Lord will return. Lev23:33 The LORD said to Moses, 34 "Say to the Israelites: 'On the fifteenth day of the seventh month the LORD's Feast of Tabernacles begins, and it lasts for seven days. 35 The first day is a sacred assembly; do no regular work. 36 For seven days present offerings made to the LORD by fire, and on the eighth day hold a sacred assembly and present an offering made to the LORD by fire. It is the CLOSING ASSENBLY; do no regular work.We have often looked at Zechariah as speaking of "in the millinium" but for a moment lets look at it as if it was the final moment before the millinium starts. Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.Of all the feasts where it is COMMANDED THAT ALL attend, the final one is the Feast of Tabernacles. The Final CLOSING ASSEMBLY, if you are not there you miss out and the plagues fall upon your head.Deuteronomy 31:10-13, . . . At the end of every seven years, in the . . . feast of tabernacles, when all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which He shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing. Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law: And that their children, which have not known anything, may hear, and learn to fear the LORD your God, as long as ye live in the land . . . The eighth day... the great Day
Leviticus 23:36 For seven days (Tabernacles) you shall offer an offering made by fire to God. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation.Eight, as we know, is the number of resurrection, life, and a new beginning. In addition, it represents the commencement of the completion of Yeshua’s plan of redemption, dealing with the sin of man, which commenced in the Garden of Eden.
Zechariah 14:1-21 A day of Lord is coming when your plunder will be divided among you. I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. Then Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle. On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him. On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost. It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime--a day known to Lord . When evening comes, there will be light. On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the Eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter. Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord , and his name the only name. Oh.. what a glorious day that will be.. Matthew 24:30-31 And then at last, the sign of the coming of the Son of Man will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the nations of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send forth his angels with the sound of a mighty trumpet blast, and they will gather together his chosen ones from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.Remember when Yeshua walked the earth, He made a very interesting comment.. John 7:2-39 But when the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles was near, Yeshua' brothers said to Him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that Your disciples may see the miracles You do. No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since You are doing these things, show Yourself to the world." For even His own brothers did not believe in Him. Therefore Yeshua told them, "The right time for Me has not yet come; for you any time is right.7 The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify that what it does is evil. 8 You go to the Feast. I am not yet going up to this Feast, because for Me the right time has not yet come." 9 Having said this, He stayed in Galilee.The Feast of Tabernacles is also pictured as the tabernacling of God with His people and with ALL who are His people. Will you not be glad to be physically there?
Wags
19th July 2006, 10:32 AM
I think he will return in the fall/autum - but my guess is Feast of Trumpets (Yom Terruah) or Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur).
Steve Petersen
19th July 2006, 12:42 PM
Thanks for the replys so far! I wish we all could have the celebration of The Feast of the Tabernacles.
Okay next question.
A Messianic Jew told me that the pitcher that was used to HOLD the water was called "Yeshua", and that is why Jesus [Yeshua] said: "If anyone is thirty, let him come to ME and drink." In other words, Yeshua is now the pitcher that holds "the living water".
Do you believe this could be true? Or have you heard of this? I think it is really cool
I think it is in the Mishnah (Oral Law collected about 240 CE). A priest and an assistant would go to the pool of Siloam and draw 'living water' (water from a spring, river, sea, or lake) in a silver pitchter. They would recite passages from Isaiah:
Isa 12:2-4 (KJV) Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation. 3 Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation. 4 And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.
The word 'salvation' above is the Hebrew 'yeshua.'
This flagon (and a gold one filled with wine) would then be poured out on the horns of the great altar of the Temple.
'Pouring out' is a neat theme. It may be written in the stars (Aquarius, the water pourer); the pouring out of the Spirit, etc.
lilymarie
19th July 2006, 08:30 PM
I think it is in the Mishnah (Oral Law collected about 240 CE). A priest and an assistant would go to the pool of Siloam and draw 'living water' (water from a spring, river, sea, or lake) in a silver pitchter. They would recite passages from Isaiah:
Isa 12:2-4 (KJV) Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation. 3 Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation. 4 And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.
The word 'salvation' above is the Hebrew 'yeshua.'
This flagon (and a gold one filled with wine) would then be poured out on the horns of the great altar of the Temple.
'Pouring out' is a neat theme. It may be written in the stars (Aquarius, the water pourer); the pouring out of the Spirit, etc.
That makes sense Steve! Thank you!
Yes, this person also told me something about the wine for certain Messianic Jews also represented the blood of the lamb, Jesus. I wasn't sure if that was true or had symbolic meaning in the Festival of the Tabernacles as well?
Any insight?
What actually occurs on all the days of the festival, other than the wine and the water? Is there something to do with bread also having a particular significance?
p.s. When are you all going to invite me!
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