Yom Yeshua

[plum]

Do you know anyone who calls Christmas by this name? I was reading information about another MJ congregation in the Chicago area and they say:
We also celebrate the festivals and Holy days which may include:

Rosh Hashanah - Jewish New Year/Feast of Trumpets
Yom Kippur - Day of Atonement
Sukkot - Feast of Tabernacles
Chanukah - Feast of Dedication
Purim - Story of Esther
Pesach - Passover
Shavuot - Feast of Weeks/Pentecost
Yom Yeshua - Christmas

No Chanukah mentioned, I notice.
You know... it may be silly or judging much too quickly... but the fact that they used Hebrew words to rename Christmas just left me feeling sour. So right then I decided not to visit.

hmmm. do you think that was closed minded or closed-hearted of me?

[insaneinthebrain]

No Chanukah mentioned, I notice.
Then you need to look closer. It's the fourth celebration listed. ;)

You know... it may be silly or judging much too quickly... but the fact that they used Hebrew words to rename Christmas just left me feeling sour. So right then I decided not to visit.

hmmm. do you think that was closed minded or closed-hearted of me?
Wanting to celebrate the Messiah's birth in and of itself isn't a bad thing. It just depends how they go about it.

[HadassahSukkot]

Renaming... xmas.. aka winter solstice... to "yom Yeshua" imho, is doing the same thing the church did with "winter solstice".

Yom Y'shua IMHO, would be the day He returns to make the world right.... i.e. "The day of the L-rd"..

Not ' xmess' as we call it.

[Wags]

I've seen some refer to chirst-mass as Messiahmas.... don't care what you call it , it still isn't something that me and my household celebrate, honor, acknowledge, etc....

[plum]

Then you need to look closer. It's the fourth celebration listed. ;)


Wanting to celebrate the Messiah's birth in and of itself isn't a bad thing. It just depends how they go about it.
doh! lol

[Sephania]

I've never heard of such a thing, it doesn't sit well with me either though. :scratch:

Do you know if this may be a Hebrew roots congregation, it just sounds so , pardon me, gentile, trying to use Hebrew words to make something legit.

[Sephania]

Never mind, I did a quick google and found it, I think , is this it?

Bnai Ohr http://www.bnaiohr.info/about_us.htm

That means Sons of light, :eek:

This is a warning sign to me too:

A Community of Gentile and Jewish believers in Messiah Yeshua

Ohr Beth Tefilah is a house of prayer where Gentile and Jewish believers in Messiah Yeshua come to worship together.

It is very clear in NT teaching, to the Jew first, It is Jew and gentile, not Gentile and Jew. :(

[Wags]

Maybe they are just being honest that the majority of their congregation is gentile by birth.

Have to agree it sounds like they are trying to make christmas kosher by giving it a jewish name.

[Sephania]

Oh, it doesn't matter to me if they are all gentiles, but when they put it as 'Gentile and Jew' when they have on many of their pages one of the very scriptures that contradicts that it just makes you wonder. :)

"For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord
is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for
"WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD
WILL BE SAVED."
Romans 10:12-13

[insaneinthebrain]

Seems we're being quite judgemental of a congregation none of us have visited.

[MattyJames]

Seems we're being quite judgemental of a congregation none of us have visited.

Agreed. Lets take a step back folks. The fact that they are trying is enough to warrant our praise. Sure they SEEM to still be lacking in some areas, but they are very much trying. Lets give them credit for that.

MJ

[Sephania]

Seems we're being quite judgemental of a congregation none of us have visited.Was just making comments on their clothing, today your website is your 'first impression' and I was just saying what it looked like to me

[Sephania]

Was just making comments on their clothing, today your website is your 'first impression' and I was just saying what it looked like to me

Jul had the same impression:


You know... it may be silly or judging much too quickly... but the fact that they used Hebrew words to rename Christmas just left me feeling sour. So right then I decided not to visit.



I was giving my own, most call that conformation. I didn't say , don't go because I don't judge a book by it's cover, I was only pointing out warning signals and to be aware.

Combine that with no known MJ affiliation and that there is trouble at the site ( I couldn't access certain pages, and none today so far) so it doesn't seem too grounded to me and I was just advising caution. I think Eirenes instincts were good.



:)

[Sephania]

Well I did a little more searching and found this:


Many people today are curious about Messianic Judaism. Are you? B'nai Ohr Beth Tefilah is a Messianic congregation in Lindenhurst, Illinois, who state that Jews who believe in Jesus remain Jewish. There is one main problem, namely, that B'nai Ohr is not a Jewish group at all, but a Christian group. Specifically, they are members of the Southern Baptist Convention.


Check them out on this page http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=2003041845
This is the official site of the Sountern Baptist convention

Pastor Steve Barack

They are used as a Chrisitian evangelistic movement to evangelise Jews and many Jews are not happy about this deception.

[Sephania]

Agreed. Lets take a step back folks. The fact that they are trying is enough to warrant our praise. Sure they SEEM to still be lacking in some areas, but they are very much trying. Lets give them credit for that.

MJSorry I don't agree, they are disguising themselves to fool Jews and that doesn't sit right with me.

[insaneinthebrain]

Well I did a little more searching and found this:



Check them out on this page http://www.sbc.net/churchsearch/church.asp?ID=2003041845
This is the official site of the Sountern Baptist convention

Pastor Steve Barack

They are used as a Chrisitian evangelistic movement to evangelise Jews and many Jews are not happy about this deception.
Respectfully...

Unless you can find someone from this congregation to come defend themselves against these allegations, then you should probably stop attacking them.

[Sephania]

Attacking?

I don't understand?

What allegations? I gave proof, the SBC site. As far as Jews not happy? Here is the site (http://www.geocities.com/realjewsforjesus/ohr.html), I thought I posted it above.

[Sephania]

What eirene was asking about was what she though was a Messianic congregation. But from their affiliated listing they are not Messianic but deceiving others into believing they are. They are Southern Baptist, and their stated goal is to convert Jews. I dont' think that is the kind of Messianic Judaism that eirene is wishing to practice, but I could be wrong. :confused:

[Sephania]

From their own site, their "Objectives' page:

We are committed to the following objectives:

The worship of Yeshua HaMeshiach (Jesus Christ) as L-rd and Savior.
The evangelism of the world's Jewish population in the belief that Yeshua IS THE Jewish Messiah as well as the Son of G-d and Savior.
To encourage the Gentile-culture Church to partner with us in evangelizing the Jewish people who do not know Yeshua. There are Churches that do not see the Jewish people as children of G-d, and a people who do not understand the blessings of knowing Yeshua as their Savior. They only see the stiff neck non believer.
We are committed to helping any and all Gentiles find their biblical heritage as chosen people. We also teach the biblical holidays and festivals to those who have not had them taught to them in the past.





While it is laudable that they have a better perspective than most Christians regarding the Jews and their understanding, it is MHO that they are not going about this the right way.Regarding this Yom Yeshua thing, that is how I found them, they are on the first page when you google that expression.

[Sephania]

BTW to mean the Day of Salvation ( Yom Yeshua) is Yom Kippur, THE Yom Kippur

[plum]

One thing... nothing is wrong with wanting to reach unbelievers of any faith with the message of the Kingdom and Messiah. Having that in your mission statement isn't bad either.

But, if I'm hearing you correctly, Z... your impression is that the motivation is not all-right...missing the point, perhaps.

[Sephania]

One thing... nothing is wrong with wanting to reach unbelievers of any faith with the message of the Kingdom and Messiah. Having that in your mission statement isn't bad either.

But, if I'm hearing you correctly, Z... your impression is that the motivation is not all-right...missing the point, perhaps.Of course not and I would never say that, what I am saying is I am not a believer of the end justifies the means if the means involves deception, that is not of G-d.

I am not sure also if they are part of the evangelilcal movement that wants to evangelise Jews so that Jesus can come back, again that goes against what the L-rD says in His word.

Plus we also have his prophecy that 'in that Day', :) It just looks to me to be more of a trap than J4J, because at least J4J says who they really are in their name, but this other one, gives even legit Messianic Orgs a bad name.

[insaneinthebrain]

Of course not and I would never say that, what I am saying is I am not a believer of the end justifies the means if the means involves deception, that is not of G-d.
How is it deceptive to call yourself "Messianic," which implies acceptance of Yeshua, and to openly state that your mission is to reach the Jewish people?

[Sephania]

So you believe a Baptist church can worship on Saturday and then can call themselves a Messianic congregation and that makes them MessianicJudaism? :scratch:

Jews have had traps set for them for hundreds of years, it is nothing new, if you ( not anyone in particular) really care about them, why be a part of that long line of deception? From what I've seen, that follows to forced conversions and if not, things like Martin Luther, and hatred which leads to things like the holocaust. This may sound extreme but it is abrewing again and it will turn as such that the holocaust will look like a kids halloween party gone slightly ari. :(

I am just saying, darkness should be not part of sharing the light. Deception is from darkness, and it is not from G-d. I just don't approve of my brethren being deceived, and I don't think Yeshua wants to be presented in that type of venue either.

I don't want this to escalate here so am withdrawing from this thread. I just really wanted to say that eirenes instincts, that still small voice, was correct, I saw it too, even before I found their site. This really isn't something I wanted to waste my day debating on.

Shalom Y'all
~Z