polygamy in the G-dhead?

[plum]

I posted this in this thread: http://www.christianforums.com/t3137071-why-did-god-allow-polygamy.html
but I wanted a Messianic view on the Scriptures...

so the thoughts I am posing have come up for me lately... who is the Bride? and is there more than one? And is there more than one wedding?

G-d married Israel at Sinai:
Jeremiah 31:
31:31"The time is coming," declares the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 31:32It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them," declares the Lord.
Isa 54:5 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=isa+54:5&version=niv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) - For your Maker is your husband-- the Lord Almighty is his name-- the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth. Jer 3:14 (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=jer+3:14&version=niv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) -"Return, faithless people," declares the Lord, "for I am your husband. I will choose you--one from a town and two from a clan--and bring you to Zion.

but then we know that the Bride of Messiah is the Body of Believers:

Eph 5
5:25Husbands, love your wives, even as Messiah also loved the assembly, and gave himself up for it; 5:26that he might sanctify it, having cleansed it by the washing of water with the word, 5:27that he might present the assembly to himself gloriously, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 5:28Even so ought husbands also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself.


and even further... Jerusalem is seen like a bride in the Revelation..

Revelation 21:1-8 1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the old heaven and the old earth had passed away, and the sea was no longer there. 2 Also I saw the holy city, New Yerushalayim, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Revelation 21:9-27 9 One of the seven angels having the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues approached me and said, "Come! I will show you the Bride, the Wife of the Lamb." 10 He carried me off in the Spirit to the top of a great, high mountain and showed me the holy city, Yerushalayim, coming down out of heaven from God.

And according to the Roman Catholic Church the Holy Spirit married Miriam/Mary, the mother of Yeshua. (I'm simply stating this for reference even though I do not believe it.)

http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=4967
Mary possesses a unique relationship with all three Persons of the Trinity, thereby giving her a claim to the title of Queenship. She was chosen by God the Father to be the Mother of his Son; God the Holy Spirit chose her to be his virginal spouse for the Incarnation of the Son; and God the Son chose her to be his mother, the means of incarnating into the world for the purposes of the redemption of humanity.

So, here we have what to many seem like different groups or people all marrying G-d. Are G-d and Yeshua and the Spirit marrying different 'people'? Does this constitute polygamy?
Because if Messiah Yeshua is G-d, then Messiah Yeshua also married Israel at Sinai. And the Bride of Messiah is the Body, the "church" (which is ekklesia or 'called out ones' right?). So perhaps the Body of Messiah has existed since sinai at the first wedding?

Or are Messiah and G-d and the Spirit separate so they can all marry? Or are they truly One G-d with only one bride?

just some things to think about :idea:

[plum]

one thing i didn't say:

i feel grossly offended and uneasy about the idea of polygamy at all, especially in the G-dhead.

:D just didn't know if you all caught that idea

[Sephania]

Is it possible that the bride coming down from heaven is made up of believers? We are as lively stones, possibly the city? the Lamb and G-d Almigthy are the temple, there is the wall described as having 12 foundations , each one named for an talmid of Yeshua, and twelve gates, each one named for a tribe of Israel.

It seems as if everyone has a part.

[Sephania]

This is the picture I have.

Messiah Yeshua is our (belivers) head, the head of the body, of the bride, we are then brought back into union ( echad) with the Father, at this marriage.

Alienu, ending:

Ba'yom ha'hu, yi'yeh adonai echad, u'sh'mo echad

Just as he is known as many 'names' and it is as you said, it seems like many 'mariages'

But this verse from Zech is perfectly clear ,

Zech 14:9 And the L-RD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one L-RD, and his name one.

In THAT Day, what day? I think that day is the wedding day.

Why?

Because the verse preceeding it is remeniscent ( previously) of what I posted above from Revelation:

Zech 14:5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the L-RD my G-d shall come, and all the saints with thee. :)

Juzt my thoughtz :)

[plum]

always good thoughts :)

[hadara]

Shalom eriene,

God did alllow the children of Israel to marry more than one wife - I don't think He allows that now, but Yeshua never mentioned anything about it.

God is not going to have a wife, and then Yeshua have a wife. The Godhead is going to marry Israel - and Israel makes up all believers, from the grafted in gentiles to the tribe of Judah, Jewish people.

If more people in the gentile church could understand that, then they would keep the Torah, because they would know that they are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow members of God's people - Israel. Through faith with Yeshua, all gentiles become a part of Israel. This group of people, spiritual Israel - is the Israel that God will marry. God is not marrying earthly Israel. We are not from the Jerusalem down below, but the Jerusalem from above. This is not replacement theology. That view teaches that the "Church" has replaced Israel. There is only one church, and God has been creating that church, or assembly, since he brought the children of Israel out of Egypt. Gentiles join the church, they don't replace it.

God will have only one wife.

hadara

[MattyJames]

Shalom eriene,

God did alllow the children of Israel to marry more than one wife - I don't think He allows that now, but Yeshua never mentioned anything about it.

God is not going to have a wife, and then Yeshua have a wife. The Godhead is going to marry Israel - and Israel makes up all believers, from the grafted in gentiles to the tribe of Judah, Jewish people.

If more people in the gentile church could understand that, then they would keep the Torah, because they would know that they are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow members of God's people - Israel. Through faith with Yeshua, all gentiles become a part of Israel. This group of people, spiritual Israel - is the Israel that God will marry. God is not marrying earthly Israel. We are not from the Jerusalem down below, but the Jerusalem from above. This is not replacement theology. That view teaches that the "Church" has replaced Israel. There is only one church, and God has been creating that church, or assembly, since he brought the children of Israel out of Egypt. Gentiles join the church, they don't replace it.

God will have only one wife.

hadara

Precicely what believe. Israel and the Church are one in the same. The Gentiles were added Israel, not replaced it. Israel however, is not defined by flesh and blood. It is defined by Faith. After all, Rahab and Ruth were Goyim, but they were also the Mothers Yehsua.

well said Hadara.:thumbsup:

MJ

[visionary]

I think the marriage term when speaking of the Lord has more to do with the meeting of the minds as they say, or "knowing" and perfect union. In this sense, both Sinai and believers in all generations have that with the Lord. The Lord does pick a day when He comes for His bride. IT will be the ultimate Yom Kippur. Where sin will be taken out of the temple and placed on the scapegoat to be taken as far from the congregation as possible, never to come back.

[Sephania]

I think the marriage term when speaking of the Lord has more to do with the meeting of the minds as they say, or "knowing" and perfect union. In this sense, both Sinai and believers in all generations have that with the Lord. The Lord does pick a day when He comes for His bride. IT will be the ultimate Yom Kippur. Where sin will be taken out of the temple and placed on the scapegoat to be taken as far from the congregation as possible, never to come back. Do you see that tying in with this, Vis?

Ba'yom ha'hu, yi'yeh adonai echad, u'sh'mo echad

[hadara]

I think the marriage term when speaking of the Lord has more to do with the meeting of the minds as they say, or "knowing" and perfect union. In this sense, both Sinai and believers in all generations have that with the Lord. The Lord does pick a day when He comes for His bride. IT will be the ultimate Yom Kippur. Where sin will be taken out of the temple and placed on the scapegoat to be taken as far from the congregation as possible, never to come back.




Shalom visionary;

Could you please explain your comment, "The Lord does pick a day when He comes for His bride. IT will be the ultimate Yom Kippur. Where sin will be taken out of the temple and placed on the scapegoat to be taken as far from the congregation as possible, never to come back"


I know that Ellen G White ,7th day adventist teacher and motivator, taught that when Yeshua returns, all the sins of the world will be placed on satan, the scapegoat, and then satan will be forced to roam the wilderness, a desolate earth, for the millienium.

Since I am sure you believe in an earthly milliennial temple, you do not believe satan will be walking the earth for 1000 years - but do you believe that Yeshua will one day place all the sins of the world on satan one day? The NT speaks nothing of this.

thanks, hadara

[Tishri1]

The ceremony of the two goats is really simple... two goats, two lots, one for la adonia, and one for la azazel ...We know what azazel means...demons or the demon hasatan (personally I believe this will be the false messiah)...The azazael goat does not wander but is lead into the wilderness out to the cliff by the Rock Khudo(sp?) and pushed off backwards over the cliff into "the lake of fire" it is torn to shredds before it even reaches the bottom.

Now the sins put on that goat go with it unatoned for since they never see the alter or the holy of holies....so IMO those are the unrepented sins,the sins of the people who have no atonement no yeshua...and they go where no atonement can be found...