Satan a defeated foe.

[Daniels]

Satan was the reason for redemption.

There could be no redemption without defeating him.

Jesus victory over satan was threefold.

1.Victory in the earthwalk.

2.Victory in the sacrifice.

3.Victroy in the new creation.



Ro 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

[Gukkor]

I'm not fully inclined to think Satan's an actual being, myself. To tweak a an old Buddhist saying, "Look within; you are Satan." That about sums up my general beliefs on the matter. We don't need any outer force to encourage us to sin and ignore God. We do that well enough on our own. To overcome sin is to overcome our own shortcomings.

[CrazyforYeshua]

You can't read the Bible and not know satan is real. Yeshua even said He saw him falling from Heaven-what do you do with those scriptures?

[Reformationist]

Satan was the reason for redemption.

Where in the world did you get that idea? :scratch: The reason for redemption was the glory of the Godhead and the dispensation of God's love to His creation.

There could be no redemption without defeating him.

This is immaterial. The defeat of satan was simply the manifestation of the just judgment of God. We could just as easily, and with more logic, acknowledge that there could be no redemption without the Fall of man. Shall we then say that the Fall was the reason for redemption? Of course not.

God bless

[christandisrael]

:amen:

[Gukkor]

You can't read the Bible and not know satan is real. Yeshua even said He saw him falling from Heaven-what do you do with those scriptures?

It's an idiom that is being used to give the abstract concept of sin substance so that it can be better understood. It is similar to how when English-speakers say "Wow, so-and-so is in a pickle," we don't literally mean that so-and-so is actually trapped in a giant pickle. We are using the pickle as an object express the concept of trouble. We mean that so-and-so is in trouble. The word Satan translates roughly to "to slide; to slip; to mislead or deceive; to miss the mark." In short, Satan is literally sin, iniquity, and spiritual darkness itself, not a being who possesses those qualities. When Christ says that He saw Satan fall like lightning from Heaven, He is saying that the power of sin has been stricken down with His coming. Source? I found this article to be quite interesting: http://www.unhinderedliving.com/satan.html

This is the last I'll say on the matter for the time being, as this isn't really meant to be a thread about whether Satan is figurative or literal. I will say this, however: whether Satan is figurative or literal, the OP is right. He (along with the sin that he represents either way) is a defeated foe, and this should be a cause for great celebration for us.:clap:

[christandisrael]

It's an idiom that is being used to give the abstract concept of sin substance so that it can be better understood. It is similar to how when English-speakers say "Wow, so-and-so is in a pickle," we don't literally mean that so-and-so is actually trapped in a giant pickle. We are using the pickle as an object express the concept of trouble. We mean that so-and-so is in trouble. The word Satan translates roughly to "to slide; to slip; to mislead or deceive; to miss the mark." In short, Satan is literally sin, iniquity, and spiritual darkness itself, not a being who possesses those qualities. When Christ says that He saw Satan fall like lightning from Heaven, He is saying that the power of sin has been stricken down with His coming. Source? I found this article to be quite interesting: http://www.unhinderedliving.com/satan.html

This is the last I'll say on the matter for the time being, as this isn't really meant to be a thread about whether Satan is figurative or literal. I will say this, however: whether Satan is figurative or literal, the OP is right. He (along with the sin that he represents either way) is a defeated foe, and this should be a cause for great celebration for us.:clap:
In the Greek, Satan means 'hostile opponent'

[Gukkor]

In the Greek, Satan means 'hostile opponent'

Yes, yes, and "adversary" and "to oppose," as well.

[christandisrael]

Yes, yes, and "adversary" and "to oppose," as well.
It comes from Satanas or Satan.

[Gukkor]

It comes from Satanas or Satan.

What, the word "Satan?"

[bod44]

Regardless of why, I'm thankful that God has victory over the devil and through Jesus Christ we too, can have victory! Satan is a being, I'm curious to know why you wouldn't think that? If he was an angel that rebelled and was cast out of heaven, how is he not a spirit being? I wouldn't think of the devil as the reason for redemption either really. When man was created, he was created in God's image. Not his body, because God is a spirit, he has no body, but the fact that we have a spirit, and we were created to live holy lives. When adam and eve sinned, they died immediately, not physically, but spiritually, because they lost the communion with God that a holy life brings. From then on, God's purpose for redemption was to reconcile man to God. To bring man back to where he is supposed to be: in constant communion with God, living a holy life. Though I think that man will sin with or without the devil, because of the sin nature, I think the devil causes most of our temptations to come our way, and he fights against us in a spiritual warfare. So, victory over the devil is a major part of our victory through christ!
Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

[HikariKitKit]

I am glad to know that saten will get his in the end. There is so much stuff in the world. you can look around and you can see that there is a God, but you can also see that there is a saten. And demons. And it's some scary stuff to mess with. The last thing you want to do is mess around with a demon. Christian's can be under attack and not even realize it. And I belive, for thouse who don't think that there really is a saten, that's he's just the "demon within." I think that makes you a more tempiting target. Same for people who say they just don't believe.

I just pray that I can keep walking right with the lord, and that he will show me what to do when the demons start to attack.

[Gukkor]

I am glad to know that saten will get his in the end. There is so much stuff in the world. you can look around and you can see that there is a God, but you can also see that there is a saten. And demons. And it's some scary stuff to mess with. The last thing you want to do is mess around with a demon. Christian's can be under attack and not even realize it. And I belive, for thouse who don't think that there really is a saten, that's he's just the "demon within." I think that makes you a more tempiting target. Same for people who say they just don't believe.

I just pray that I can keep walking right with the lord, and that he will show me what to do when the demons start to attack.

Are you certain about that? After all, what better excuse to sin for one's subconscious to give you than to be able to toss responsibility onto some evil tempter? "God, I'm sorry that I sinned, but Satan tricked me, so it wasn't really my fault! I'm just a victim!"

On the other hand, when Satan is viewed as a part of one's own will, it shoulders one with more personal responsibility, and when one has no excuses to fall back on, one is far less likely to give into temptation.

By the way, I'm not trying to accuse you personally of anything, I'm just speaking in general terms

[HikariKitKit]

Are you certain about that? After all, what better excuse to sin for one's subconscious to give you than to be able to toss responsibility onto some evil tempter? "God, I'm sorry that I sinned, but Satan tricked me, so it wasn't really my fault! I'm just a victim!"

On the other hand, when Satan is viewed as a part of one's own will, it shoulders one with more personal responsibility, and when one has no excuses to fall back on, one is far less likely to give into temptation.

By the way, I'm not trying to accuse you personally of anything, I'm just speaking in general termsThat is a good point. But what about free will? People choose to do good or evil. If you can believe that God helps us do good things, is it that hard to belive that Saten or his followers will push us to do bad things?

[Gukkor]

That is a good point. But what about free will? People choose to do good or evil. If you can believe that God helps us do good things, is it that hard to belive that Saten or his followers will push us to do bad things?

Perhaps not, and also a good point. However, if Satan is only partially responsible for our sin (in that he just "pushes" us rather than forces us) and we have no solid way of separating his influence from our own selfish desires, why bother even acknowledging him at all?

Like many of my theological beliefs, it's not that I think belief in a literal Satan is inherently good or bad. It's just that my interpretation has never seen a literal Satan, and even if he does exist, I see little reason to worry about it. I can only rightly be held responsible for what is actually my fault, and so that is my concern. Satan's path (if he indeed exists) is likewise his alone.

[christandisrael]

No. Satan is bad.

[HikariKitKit]

Perhaps not, and also a good point. However, if Satan is only partially responsible for our sin (in that he just "pushes" us rather than forces us) and we have no solid way of separating his influence from our own selfish desires, why bother even acknowledging him at all?

Like many of my theological beliefs, it's not that I think belief in a literal Satan is inherently good or bad. It's just that my interpretation has never seen a literal Satan, and even if he does exist, I see little reason to worry about it. I can only rightly be held responsible for what is actually my fault, and so that is my concern. Satan's path (if he indeed exists) is likewise his alone.
There's a diffrence between his influence and our selfish desires? Last I chcked, God didn't want us to listen to ourselves, because we screw up. We're supposed to keep our eyes on h im. and if Self get's in the way, that's the work of saten. thouse thoughts you get about stuff like. "Well, no one's looking so I guess it's alright to do this." listen to self is another part of saten's trap. And another thing, if you believe in God, and you read the bible. The bible talks about saten, the bible talks about demons. The bible mentions the fallen morning star Lucifer. Jesus was tempted in the desert by saten. Was that just a figmint of his immagination? Was he arguing with an abstract consept? Jesus was sinless, so how to explain the devel trying to tempt him? People now adays are tempted every single day of their life. To do something wrong. And you can't tell me you've never heard a tiny voice in your head saying. "Go on do this, it's not going to hurt anyone." Or you decide to do things your own way. Not believing in the devil, doesn't mean he doesn't believe in you. And people who say they don't believe in the devil make themselves a very good target. You can't stick your head in the sand and say saten doesn't exist, when there's just enough proof of his existance as there is of God's

[threeinone]

I don't get it. If evil, Satan, is defeated then how come we talk about it/him so much and how c ome we live in such agony and pain. I know about the refining of silver. Jesus died for our sins and we have eternal life but evil is still very much alive raking us over the coals so to speak, maybe not all the time but sometimes a lot.

[HikariKitKit]

I don't get it. If evil, Satan, is defeated then how come we talk about it/him so much and how c ome we live in such agony and pain. I know about the refining of silver. Jesus died for our sins and we have eternal life but evil is still very much alive raking us over the coals so to speak, maybe not all the time but sometimes a lot.
The "agony and pain" as you put it. Are tests. What ever saten tries to do to us, if we are walking right with the lord, then he will take whatever saten tries to do, and make it a test, or he'll turn it around so that saten shoots himself in his foot. The only damage saten can do to us, is what we let him do. If we listen to saten, and end up being hurt because of it, to many people turn to god and blame him for it. Or if someoen clsoe to them does, they blame god. "Why did you take this person out of my life? What kind of God would do that?" or. "Why is my life such a living hell? Do you get ammusment from watching me suffer like this?" People who get hurt, are hurt because they didn't listen to god. And people can't blame God for taking someone from this earth, they could have been walking right with God and it could have been their time to go. Or if people have had a hard life, and blame it on God. It's not his fault that you don't listen. Or don't know how to listen. I know someone, who blamed God for everything. She thinks she was put on this earth just for God's amusment. But she refused, apsolutly refused to listen to him. She was to wraped up in herself, and worrying about what people will think of her. Even if it was only subconiously, she still worried about what people would think of her. So she will agree with everyone. She will agree with whatever is more convinient for her at the moment. When around me and I'd be talking about God. "Yes, I believe in god." When around someone else who hates God. "Yeah, I hate him too." Constenly jumping from one spot to another running around in cicles, and when she finally does come to a stop, she's going to be so dizzy she won't know what way is up any more. And saten can have a feild day with a person like that.

[threeinone]

The "agony and pain" as you put it. Are tests. What ever saten tries to do to us, if we are walking right with the lord, then he will take whatever saten tries to do, and make it a test, or he'll turn it around so that saten shoots himself in his foot. The only damage saten can do to us, is what we let him do. If we listen to saten, and end up being hurt because of it, to many people turn to god and blame him for it. Or if someoen clsoe to them does, they blame god. "Why did you take this person out of my life? What kind of God would do that?" or. "Why is my life such a living hell? Do you get ammusment from watching me suffer like this?" People who get hurt, are hurt because they didn't listen to god. And people can't blame God for taking someone from this earth, they could have been walking right with God and it could have been their time to go. Or if people have had a hard life, and blame it on God. It's not his fault that you don't listen. Or don't know how to listen. I know someone, who blamed God for everything. She thinks she was put on this earth just for God's amusment. But she refused, apsolutly refused to listen to him. She was to wraped up in herself, and worrying about what people will think of her. Even if it was only subconiously, she still worried about what people would think of her. So she will agree with everyone. She will agree with whatever is more convinient for her at the moment. When around me and I'd be talking about God. "Yes, I believe in god." When around someone else who hates God. "Yeah, I hate him too." Constenly jumping from one spot to another running around in cicles, and when she finally does come to a stop, she's going to be so dizzy she won't know what way is up any more. And saten can have a feild day with a person like that.
My oh my but how interesting You don't answer my question(I'm not surprised) and you don't even talk about anything in my post except the words agony and pain which were but a tiny part of my post which I said I knew about. Get your glasses out:/-

[HikariKitKit]

My oh my but how interesting You don't answer my question(I'm not surprised) and you don't even talk about anything in my post except the words agony and pain which were but a tiny part of my post which I said I knew about. Get your glasses out:/-
Satan is defeated but not dead. He fights a war without hope, and because he has nothing less to lose he fights all the more vicously, trying to rob God of as many souls as he can before he must surrender this world. The trails and suffering are the rage of his attempts to take back the cross, and he cannot jhope ever to do so. God allows us to suffer these attempts to bring us ever closer to him, it is up to us to listen to his words and move past the pain into victory. Darkness may endure the night, But Joy cometh in the morning. Is it really that hard to understand?

[Gukkor]

Satan is defeated but not dead. He fights a war without hope, and because he has nothing less to lose he fights all the more vicously, trying to rob God of as many souls as he can before he must surrender this world. The trails and suffering are the rage of his attempts to take back the cross, and he cannot jhope ever to do so. God allows us to suffer these attempts to bring us ever closer to him, it is up to us to listen to his words and move past the pain into victory. Darkness may endure the night, But Joy cometh in the morning. Is it really that hard to understand?
No, but it's no harder to disagree with than it is to understand.

[threeinone]

Satan is defeated but not dead. He fights a war without hope, and because he has nothing less to lose he fights all the more vicously, trying to rob God of as many souls as he can before he must surrender this world. The trails and suffering are the rage of his attempts to take back the cross, and he cannot jhope ever to do so. God allows us to suffer these attempts to bring us ever closer to him, it is up to us to listen to his words and move past the pain into victory. Darkness may endure the night, But Joy cometh in the morning. Is it really that hard to understand?

Not hard to understand at all. But it is a long night and I just wish the morning would come.

[HikariKitKit]

Not hard to understand at all. But it is a long night and I just wish the morning would come.Don't we all. But even though it's a long night all you have to do is look around for the flashlight that God has for you.

[threeinone]

Don't we all. But even though it's a long night all you have to do is look around for the flashlight that God has for you.

The batteries are dead and Heaven where the batteries are is a long way off:D

[nadja]

No the batteries aren't dead they just need to be recharged. By ....your church, good, real christian fellowship, Bible study, Christian radio/show, quiet time with just yourself, your Bible and and open channel to God.
You sound so down, I hope you are feeling better in a while.
:wave: :D

[tehdave]

If he was an angel that rebelled and was cast out of heaven, how is he not a spirit being?

QFT.

Whatever or whoever he is, he knows his defeat is inevitable, he just wants to bring as many of us down with him as he can.

[threeinone]

No the batteries aren't dead they just need to be recharged. By ....your church, good, real christian fellowship, Bible study, Christian radio/show, quiet time with just yourself, your Bible and and open channel to God.
You sound so down, I hope you are feeling better in a while.
:wave: :D

Feeling somewhat better. I don't believe in satan. It is too easy to say that our failings are satan's fault. We are built to feel good, or want to feel good. Sometimes in our quest to feel good, we turn away from God. I think we do that ourselves and that we don't need a satan to do it for us. I call it evil and I figure all of us have an evil side and some of us control it and some of us don't and some people are halfway in the middle.:wave:

[JVarner83]

Satan was defeated on the cross of calvery

(Heb 2:14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

(1Co 15:55) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
(1Co 15:56) The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.




Most people today still give credit to someone that was defeated.

for the most part, to see the devil today, just look in the mirror, our own actions and lust are what most people blame the devil for.

out of simplicity they used him as their "excape goat"

when you always put blame on someone else, then you will never mature, spiritualy speaking, if you have born again and are always giving credit to the devil, then you lose your joy, which is your strength.

if you will just accept the fact that you make mistakes, that jesus died because you couldn't pay the price yourself, and trust god and christ to deliver you more than yourself, then you will have peace in your life and the devil will be a thing of the past.

if you stand up in church and boast on how you resisted the devil, then you are doing just that...boasting

we should boast on what the lord did at calvery and not what "the devil is doing now"

was he a physcial person? yes

does he seem to get about 95% of the blame for every bad thing or fault we make? yes

should this be? no

[threeinone]

Satan was defeated on the cross of calvery

(Heb 2:14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

(1Co 15:55) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
(1Co 15:56) The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

Most people today still give credit to someone that was defeated.

for the most part, to see the devil today, just look in the mirror, our own actions and lust are what most people blame the devil for.

out of simplicity they used him as their "excape goat"

when you always put blame on someone else, then you will never mature, spiritualy speaking, if you have born again and are always giving credit to the devil, then you lose your joy, which is your strength.

if you will just accept the fact that you make mistakes, that jesus died because you couldn't pay the price yourself, and trust god and christ to deliver you more than yourself, then you will have peace in your life and the devil will be a thing of the past.

if you stand up in church and boast on how you resisted the devil, then you are doing just that...boasting

we should boast on what the lord did at calvery and not what "the devil is doing now"

was he a physcial person? yes

does he seem to get about 95% of the blame for every bad thing or fault we make? yes

should this be? no


Good post

I would much rather boast of how Jesus died for us.

[Godslilgurlalways]

I'm not fully inclined to think Satan's an actual being, myself. To tweak a an old Buddhist saying, "Look within; you are Satan." That about sums up my general beliefs on the matter. We don't need any outer force to encourage us to sin and ignore God. We do that well enough on our own. To overcome sin is to overcome our own shortcomings.


Satan was actually an angel one of the most beautiful and prettiest angels up there but there was a point where he thought he could overtake/run he basically got boostful of himself to the point where he was kicked out now he wanted to rule so bad he has his own place Hell 1/3 of the angels follwed him there.

I think the worst person/enemy we have is our selves in sense we sleep with the enemy and we even eat with him which is the flesh it's what carries the sin and all:)

[threeinone]

Satan was actually an angel one of the most beautiful and prettiest angels up there but there was a point where he thought he could overtake/run he basically got boostful of himself to the point where he was kicked out now he wanted to rule so bad he has his own place Hell 1/3 of the angels follwed him there.

I think the worst person/enemy we have is our selves in sense we sleep with the enemy and we even eat with him which is the flesh it's what carries the sin and all:)

Hi lilgurl

Do you really believe that we sleep and eat with the enemy, I mean like as in all of us? Or do you mean that people who do bad things sleep and eat with the enemy? I am just curious as I am no angel and I sin but I don't think I allow the enemy to control me. I think the enemy makes the suggestions and occasionally I will go along with it but most of the time, I don't. And I figure most people are the same.:wave:

[Christopher777]

Satan/Set is very definitly a real being. He exists in his own realm, as well as the deep realms of Jung's "collective subconscious". He tries to tempt people to leave the Path they are following and to commit sin, so that you will reign with his lonely self for eternity. I fell under his spell for 15 years before Jesus rescued me from his "hell".

As far as semantics go, the hebrew word SATAN was adapted from the Egyptian title for their Prince of Darkness, SetHen, which means "Majesty of Set".