Why so many Denominations?

[mwireman]

Why is there so many Denominations? Don't they all believe in God and Jesus Christ?

[whateveristrue]

Simple answer; In today's world GOD is secondary. Politics, Tradition, and Money is what drives people to do what they do... even in churches. So people tend to stick with their own kind.

[Daniels]

I Cor 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are
approved may be made manifest among you.

[Godslilgurlalways]

I feel that there are so many demoninations b/c some believe in God in Jesus but some only believe to an extent some has certain traditonals it really come down to the belief of the reglion which one kind of fits them or which one they believe the most:)

[Stan53]

It's called Testosterone! Men have it. Loads of it. It goes like this. If you don't believe what I believe then you are in error and I will seperate from you. I will go my own way and start a new group which will eventually become a church will eventually become a denomination.

[Diven]

Didn't Paul and Barnabas have a quarrel about some issue and decide to part ways over it. There are different denominations because when people can't agree on side issues such as traditions etc. it might be better to just gather with those that agree, instead of quarrelling over not necesarrilly unimportant, but non-core issues. Denominations are just people worshipping in different ways. There are many denominations because there are many types of people.

I do like that now people don't seem to identify themselves with a single denomination though, even if they prefer the ministry of a particular denomination.

[Artificial Intelligence]

Why is there so many Denominations? Don't they all believe in God and Jesus Christ?Yes, generally they all share a core belief, it’s just secondary issues that any particular group may emphasize that generally draws such congregations together. Can we all be the hand? Can we all be the foot? I believe they all have their diverse strengths that add to the overall enrichment of the full body of Christ, the Church. Personally, I have no objections to there being different denominations, I’m not anti-denominational, I’ve seen Churches of different denominations all gathered in Christ’s name to serve a purpose, to achieve a goal.

[Gukkor]

Personally, I am anti-denominational. For different churches to have different styles of worship and different "official" positions on certain secondary issues, but to split off from the other churches and organize into factions is ridiculous. I am pleased with the progress that denominations have had recently in putting aside their differences and becoming somewhat more unified, but old feuds still remain, and often over completely irrelevant differences.

[Daniels]

Does God care which denomination I belong to? (http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq151.html)

[Gukkor]

Does God care which denomination I belong to? (http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq151.html)

I don't think so, no. None of them are completely right or completely wrong, anyway (much like religions as a whole, in my view, but I digress). All God cares about is that you're sincerely trying to follow Him and that you're contemplating His Word for yourself, as far as I can tell. If this thinking leads you to accept the doctrine of a specific denomination, so be it. Just don't let the denomination become an excuse for you to not have to think about your own beliefs.

[whateveristrue]

The problem is; many denominations make secondary issues into Primary issues, and they will force their beliefs on you if you go to their church. This is just so they can say "we are right and everybody else is wrong", and it is totally for the benefit of man.. not the Kingdom.

I think God does care which Church or denomination you go to. He wants you to belong to a body that honors Him; not the opposite. I am someone who believes we ought to major in the majors, and keep secondary issues secondary. Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, whoever believes and accepts this truth shall have eternal life.... (John 3:16). We're here to preach the Gospel and to save lives. Church customs, style of worship, and everything else is secondary.

[Artificial Intelligence]

Does God care which denomination I belong to? (http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq151.html) It matters WHO you belong to (Him), not what you belong to. You simply attend a church/congregation because God commanded it.

[Jacob4707]

One answer:

http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/sola_scriptura_john_whiteford.htm

[Ps28:7]

i guess you could say that i'm anti-denominational because if you associate with a denomination then they're most popular belief is placed upon you and people automatically assume you are just like that, even though you may not be. i think as believers in Jesus Christ it shouldn't matter HOW or WHEN we worship, we should be able to come together and JUST worship and fellowship. What's important is that we fellowship with believers, not necessarily be associated with a church or congregation or denomination, that could mean purely getting together with fellow believers and worshipping God and bringing Him glory by telling what He has done in your life and ministering/encouraging to other people. (hebrews 10:25) I think we need to realize that our main goal is to glorify God and be a witness to others and to love. Everything else is second or third or whatever...and right now i don't even attend a church but i do enjoy discussing with other fellow believers (friends and family) about God and new stuff that He has so graciously shown me....anyways we need to get back to the basics, the foundation, Jesus Christ.

[Stan53]

Does God care which denomination I belong to? (http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq151.html)
No. He couldn't care less. That's not what your relationship with Him is based on. Your relationship with God is based purely on Christ's finished work on the cross.

[KathyJohnston]

It just goes to show you, how easily error slips into the message.

[Sacrum Silentium]

Go back to 33 AD when the Church began. Ask any given Christian present what denomination you belong to. I can imagine you'd get a lot of strange looks, and probably much more than that. You'd probably hurt some feelings or cause confusion.

It was never God's intention for denominationalism to come about. These are the creations of men, with 'new revelations' or personal ideals. In 33 AD, THE Church was born at Pentecost. Not the churches. There was one, singular, sanctified, Church. Around 600 AD, Boniface III brought Roman Catholicism to light, and the separations all began at that point.

I would ask you to pray deeply on the subject, and as 2 Timothy 2:15 says, STUDY to show thyself approved unto God, a workman needing not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING the word of truth. We can't take it as we're spoonfed - family tradition doesn't make it right, Pastor Bob's opinion doesn't make it right, even the heart's feelings[Jeremiah 17:9] doesn't make it right. It must be in alignment with the Word.

May God bless you abundantly.

[Mailboy]

I don't think so, no. None of them are completely right or completely wrong, anyway (much like religions as a whole, in my view, but I digress). All God cares about is that you're sincerely trying to follow Him and that you're contemplating His Word for yourself, as far as I can tell. If this thinking leads you to accept the doctrine of a specific denomination, so be it. Just don't let the denomination become an excuse for you to not have to think about your own beliefs.
Why are there so many resteraunts? Why cant everybody just eat the food I like?
Because there are different tastes and personalities.
That's how it should be.
What's bad is when arrogance seeps in and the "We've got it right and everyone else is wrong." mindset makes itself evident.

[Gukkor]

Why are there so many resteraunts? Why cant everybody just eat the food I like?
Because there are different tastes and personalities.
That's how it should be.
What's bad is when arrogance seeps in and the "We've got it right and everyone else is wrong." mindset makes itself evident.

Agreed. The problem is that said arrogance is extremely prevalent among churches of all denominations (decreasingly so in recent years, thankfully). In many cases, it is this very arrogance that has given birth to new denominations, rather than mere friendly disagreement. I'd have far less of a problem with denominations if this were not the case.

[Sacrum Silentium]

Withdrawn.

[Gukkor]

Church isn't about personality or taste. There is no pick-and choose theology. The House of God is not a salad bar. That isn't how God said it should be.

"And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent."

"Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."

When John the Baptist was beheaded, God did not speak. When Paul and Silas were imprisoned, God did not speak. When Jesus hung upon the cross, God did not speak.

Yet look what happened in Matthew 17...

And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

There is only Christ's Church. There is no Church of Moses, no Church of Elias, no other. God basically said "Hold it! Hear My Son alone."

You can trace any given denomination back to a human founder. 606 AD, Rome, Boniface III brings Roman Catholicism into light. 1520 AD, Germany, Martin Luther institutes the Lutheran Church. 1534, England, Henry VIII and the Episcopalians. 1536 AD, Switzerland, John Calvin and the Presbyterians. 1607, Holland, the Baptists. John Wesley, 1739 AD, Methodist. Joseph Smith, American, 1830 AD, the Latter Day Saints, 1872, American, Charles Russell and the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Don't take my word for it. I'm sure your local library has all the information you'd need to trace this.

Why not look back to 33 AD, Jerusalem, Jesus Christ, His Church?


My PM box is always open. ;)

Don't forget Barton W. Stone and Alexander Campbell with the Church of Christ in 1832.

[Sacrum Silentium]

Good point. ;) I had an idea I'd be called out on that.

The name "churches of Christ" is not a title (though it is usually used consistently for the benefit of those traveling to identify and differentiate us from a denomination), but rather a description. We use this name because it is in scripture (Romans 16:16), and it gives glory to our founder, Jesus Christ. After all, Jesus did say "I will build MY church" (Matthew 16:18); and the Bible tells us that Jesus established the church with his own blood (Acts 20:28). Why name His church after a man (Lutheran, Wesley, Mennonite), or after a form of government (Presbyterian, Episcopal), or even a particular doctrine (Baptist, Methodist), when the Bible simply calls it the churches of Christ, or church of God, or household of God? All of the names used in scripture give glory to God. Instead of focusing on a title, we strive to live up to the "descriptions" of the church in the Bible.

The churches of Christ may have been brought into light at the certain period in time, but we hold fast to the profession that we worship in spirit and in truth, based purely on the Bible and nothing else. I believe it's the modern rendition of the 1st century church, and the fulfillment of New Testament worship justified in God's sight. I'd be more than willing to explain, or defend the case, of any given 'issue' anyone may have.

According to scripture, there is no such thing as a seperate Clergy and Laity in the church as is commonly understood in the religious world. All Christians are called "priests" in the Kingdom of God (I Peter 2:5, 9-10). The Bible teaches that every Christian is a minister. The original Greek word for minister is "Diakonos", which means servant, attendant or minister. This description applies to all Christians. The Greek word for the man who preaches in the pulpit is "kerux", which simply means "Preacher". Another term is "euangelistes", which means preacher of the good news, or "gospel preacher". These are the only words that designate the special ministry of preaching.
Based on this, ministry opportunities are available to all members of the church. None of the ministries are strictly placed on our Preacher, including the ministry of preaching. Any Christian man in the congregation with the desire and some training who wishes to preach or teach may do so. Those who did have done a marvelous job preaching the word of God.
The congregation is in the process of building its programs and ministries with opportunites for every member to serve. When you see an opportunity, the Bible says grab it and don't bury it in the ground (Matthew 25:14-30). The church as a whole is to do good, but so is each individual Christian.

But before I dive way too deep, I'll go ahead and answer most of the questions I may get: Yes, I believe in the communion, that it was made to be taken the first day of the week, and that grape juice, not wine or water, is the representation of Christ's blood. Yes, I believe in water baptism for the remission of sins and to be added unto Christ. Yes, I believe hymn-singing is the proper form of praise in church. Yes, I can show you these things in scripture. Yes, I acknowledge the possibility that I could be wrong. Yes, I'll take these issues to the Bible with you.

Baptism is the common objection, but, all I can offer is this:

Buried in baptism, Romans 6:4; Col. 2:12
In water, Acts 8:36-39; 10:47, 48.
To wash away sins, Acts 22:16.
For the remission of sins, Acts 2:38.
To be saved. I Peter 3:21.
Into Christ. Galatians 3:27.
Into the one body, the church. I Cor. 12:13.

The organization:
Self-governing under Christ, the heavenly bishop. Acts 14:23; I Peter 5:4, 2:25; Phil 1:1.
With bishops (elders, pastors, presbyters) who feed, tend, oversee, and rule the flock among them. Acts 20:17, 28, I Peter 5:2-4, I Tim 3:1-7, Hebrews 13:17.
With deacons to serve, I Tim 3:8-13.
With members who minister in word and deed. I Cor. 12:24-27.

Worship:
Communion. I Cor. 10:16, 11:20-30, Acts 20:7.
Singing. Eph 5:18, 19; Col. 3:16.
Praying. Acts 2:42, I Thess 5:17, 25.
Giving. I Cor 16:1, 2, II Cor 9:7.
Teaching. Acts 2:42, I Tim 3:15.

I don't want to turn this thread into a debate, so if you'd like to continue, by all means. PM me. :)

Christ's peace.

[Gukkor]

Don't worry, I'm not out to debate either. My parents are Disciples of Christ, which is an offshoot of the Church of Christ if I recall correctly. I was a Disciple of Christ as well by proxy, until I reexamined my beliefs as I entered adulthood and subsequently renounced all denominational affiliation. Besides that, though, I don't have any quarrel with the Church of Christ or any other denomination (or whatever you may wish to refer to your particular church group as) as a whole.

[whateveristrue]

Good point. ;) I had an idea I'd be called out on that.

The name "churches of Christ" is not a title (though it is usually used consistently for the benefit of those traveling to identify and differentiate us from a denomination), but rather a description. We use this name because it is in scripture (Romans 16:16), and it gives glory to our founder, Jesus Christ. After all, Jesus did say "I will build MY church" (Matthew 16:18); and the Bible tells us that Jesus established the church with his own blood (Acts 20:28). Why name His church after a man (Lutheran, Wesley, Mennonite), or after a form of government (Presbyterian, Episcopal), or even a particular doctrine (Baptist, Methodist), when the Bible simply calls it the churches of Christ, or church of God, or household of God? All of the names used in scripture give glory to God. Instead of focusing on a title, we strive to live up to the "descriptions" of the church in the Bible.

The churches of Christ may have been brought into light at the certain period in time, but we hold fast to the profession that we worship in spirit and in truth, based purely on the Bible and nothing else. I believe it's the modern rendition of the 1st century church, and the fulfillment of New Testament worship justified in God's sight. I'd be more than willing to explain, or defend the case, of any given 'issue' anyone may have.

According to scripture, there is no such thing as a seperate Clergy and Laity in the church as is commonly understood in the religious world. All Christians are called "priests" in the Kingdom of God (I Peter 2:5, 9-10). The Bible teaches that every Christian is a minister. The original Greek word for minister is "Diakonos", which means servant, attendant or minister. This description applies to all Christians. The Greek word for the man who preaches in the pulpit is "kerux", which simply means "Preacher". Another term is "euangelistes", which means preacher of the good news, or "gospel preacher". These are the only words that designate the special ministry of preaching.
Based on this, ministry opportunities are available to all members of the church. None of the ministries are strictly placed on our Preacher, including the ministry of preaching. Any Christian man in the congregation with the desire and some training who wishes to preach or teach may do so. Those who did have done a marvelous job preaching the word of God.
The congregation is in the process of building its programs and ministries with opportunites for every member to serve. When you see an opportunity, the Bible says grab it and don't bury it in the ground (Matthew 25:14-30). The church as a whole is to do good, but so is each individual Christian.

But before I dive way too deep, I'll go ahead and answer most of the questions I may get: Yes, I believe in the communion, that it was made to be taken the first day of the week, and that grape juice, not wine or water, is the representation of Christ's blood. Yes, I believe in water baptism for the remission of sins and to be added unto Christ. Yes, I believe hymn-singing is the proper form of praise in church. Yes, I can show you these things in scripture. Yes, I acknowledge the possibility that I could be wrong. Yes, I'll take these issues to the Bible with you.

Baptism is the common objection, but, all I can offer is this:

Buried in baptism, Romans 6:4; Col. 2:12
In water, Acts 8:36-39; 10:47, 48.
To wash away sins, Acts 22:16.
For the remission of sins, Acts 2:38.
To be saved. I Peter 3:21.
Into Christ. Galatians 3:27.
Into the one body, the church. I Cor. 12:13.

The organization:
Self-governing under Christ, the heavenly bishop. Acts 14:23; I Peter 5:4, 2:25; Phil 1:1.
With bishops (elders, pastors, presbyters) who feed, tend, oversee, and rule the flock among them. Acts 20:17, 28, I Peter 5:2-4, I Tim 3:1-7, Hebrews 13:17.
With deacons to serve, I Tim 3:8-13.
With members who minister in word and deed. I Cor. 12:24-27.

Worship:
Communion. I Cor. 10:16, 11:20-30, Acts 20:7.
Singing. Eph 5:18, 19; Col. 3:16.
Praying. Acts 2:42, I Thess 5:17, 25.
Giving. I Cor 16:1, 2, II Cor 9:7.
Teaching. Acts 2:42, I Tim 3:15.

I don't want to turn this thread into a debate, so if you'd like to continue, by all means. PM me. :)

Christ's peace.




Sounds like a denomination to me.

[Sacrum Silentium]

Every single teaching goes straight back to the Bible, whateveristrue. I just don't see where you're coming from. I suppose everyone has their own opinion.

We're following the example of the early Christians, nothing more, and nothing less. True, anyone can dub us a denomination, but we don't believe we are any more than the 1st century Christians did. You won't hear us claiming denominationalism. :)

Hey Gukkor. :wave:

Honestly? I've never heard of the Disciples of Christ particularly. I've been with my church for only a number of months. I suppose I'm well-learned in the areas I've studied up on, but as far as ... 'affiliations'[for lack of a better word] of the church of Christ, I have no idea. And yes, I will say that I can be over-zealous towards something I feel strongly about. ;)

I don't want to step on any toes, but there was a particular denomination I was a part of that was totally leading me in the wrong direction, I felt. It was based more on personal emotion and 'lively praise' than anything. I apply 2 Tim. 2:15 into my life, and as the result of study in Matthew 24, Acts 2, Revelations and Daniel, I no longer felt that the particular denomination I was a part of was fulfilling the spiritual growth we all need - I Peter 2:2.

In a nutshell, I was led to the church of Christ, and that's where things really started for me.

My question to you, is, did you leave church-life as a whole behind? If so, what really opened your eyes, so to speak, to what you now see? Or is there anything else you'd like to share?

I'm just a guy who likes to learn. ;)

Thanks in advance. May God bless you both abundantly.

[Gukkor]

Every single teaching goes straight back to the Bible, whateveristrue. I just don't see where you're coming from. I suppose everyone has their own opinion.

We're following the example of the early Christians, nothing more, and nothing less. True, anyone can dub us a denomination, but we don't believe we are any more than the 1st century Christians did. You won't hear us claiming denominationalism. :)

Hey Gukkor. :wave:

Honestly? I've never heard of the Disciples of Christ particularly. I've been with my church for only a number of months. I suppose I'm well-learned in the areas I've studied up on, but as far as ... 'affiliations'[for lack of a better word] of the church of Christ, I have no idea. And yes, I will say that I can be over-zealous towards something I feel strongly about. ;)

I don't want to step on any toes, but there was a particular denomination I was a part of that was totally leading me in the wrong direction, I felt. It was based more on personal emotion and 'lively praise' than anything. I apply 2 Tim. 2:15 into my life, and as the result of study in Matthew 24, Acts 2, Revelations and Daniel, I no longer felt that the particular denomination I was a part of was fulfilling the spiritual growth we all need - I Peter 2:2.

In a nutshell, I was led to the church of Christ, and that's where things really started for me.

My question to you, is, did you leave church-life as a whole behind? If so, what really opened your eyes, so to speak, to what you now see? Or is there anything else you'd like to share?

I'm just a guy who likes to learn. ;)

Thanks in advance. May God bless you both abundantly.

I didn't completely leave church life behind. I don't often attend Sunday service anymore for a variety of reasons (not the least of which is that I always had trouble staying awake, and so felt that neither I nor God were getting much out of it, if you know what I mean), but I do attend a Wednesday night service and I just started attending a Bible study.

As for what opened my eyes, nothing in particular, really, except for the fact that I simply became angered by all of the various denominations constantly claiming that their brand of Christianity was the "real" Christianity, and that the others were mistaken at best, and damned at worst. Also, as I began to adopt my own beliefs in place of the ones instilled in my mind by my parents (which I don't blame them for, by the way, it's only natural), I began to realize that there were a lot of theological points where I just disagreed with most, if not all of the major denominations. In short, I came to the realization that I was a liberal Christian (not always an easy thing to be in the Bible Belt). With this in mind, it made no sense to me to remain tied to my denomination or any other. My beliefs are my own, no one elses.

I'm as comfortable worshipping in the church of one denomination as I am in that of any other, but the factions? The finger-pointing? The arrogance? These aspects of denominations, I will have no part of.

[Crispie]

Simple, too many churches now a days focus too much on the specifics, thus they wish to belong to a "division" that follows those specific teachings. Too me, denominations are something God never wanted,

1 Corinthians 12:25 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=12&verse=25&version=31&context=verse)
so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other.


But in a way has become somewhat necessary. I feel that denominations are only justified when the very foundations of your beliefs are different, I'm talking about your beliefs about salvation and the reality of God's existance. Its a shame that not many churches try to stay away from denominations, and that many don't try to teach only the basics (things pertaining to the Nicene Creed). That way everyone, even with the some difference in interpetations, everyone would be accepted equally.

[cleverest]

Why is there so many Denominations? Don't they all believe in God and Jesus Christ?

Mar 4:23 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

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The simple answer is that there are many carnal "christians"...but hey I didn't make it up.

Here is Paul's take on this:

1Cr 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

Sure they are cranal, and yet they are mostly convinced they are not carnal because they agree with some central tenents, and that this makes them 'one mind'...and it certainly does unify them in some manner:

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

What is this many waters? It means Ocean or sea or something, doesn't it?? No....

REV 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

I admonish all who are sitting upon 'the waters' as well, to:

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

read this carefully:

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What is it to KNOW God and be KNOWN of God?

Jhn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

I have no doubt many believe in God/Jesus, but is it the True Jesus or:

2Cr 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].

Be aware:

2Cr 11:13 For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Watch how these same 'apostles' created a doctrine already... anyone spot the false doctrine from the following verse?

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

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[I]Mat 13:16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.


God bless your study!
- Brett S.

[JVD]

Churches split over all sorts of things. I've heard of Mennonite churches dissacociating with other Mennonites because of the way they wore their suspenders.

And yes...they can show you from the bible how you are to wear your suspenders.

I really don't have a problem with all the denominations, As long as they don't become so arrogant that they feel they are the only ones with the truth.

What needs to happen with real hard core denominationalists is to go to a country where there are hardly any Christians. They will welcome fellowship with other Christians, no matter which flavor.

[whateveristrue]

Every single teaching goes straight back to the Bible, whateveristrue. I just don't see where you're coming from. I suppose everyone has their own opinion.

We're following the example of the early Christians, nothing more, and nothing less. True, anyone can dub us a denomination, but we don't believe we are any more than the 1st century Christians did. You won't hear us claiming denominationalism. :)



The point I'm trying to make is... just about every denomination claims their teaching goes straight back to the Bible... and that they are correct, and everyone else is wrong. But who is really qualified to judge, besides GOD. It's possible when Christ returns, he'll say, "You're all doing it wrong".

There are certain primary issues all Christians are supposed to believe... GOD created the world (Genesis 1:1); Sin entered the world(Genesis 3); CHRIST came into the world(John 1:14); died for our sins(Romans 5:8); is risen from the dead(Matthew 28:6); Salvation is available through the confession of our sins, and acceptance of Christ into our hearts(1 John 1:9); the Holy Spirit is with us(John 14:16); The Church is the body of Christ(1 Cor. 12:27); Christ will return again(Revelation 22).

In my opinion, for a Church to truly say they are Non-Denominational... the Primary Issues are the only absolutes they hold. Most of everything else is considered secondary. How people practice Church and worship(as long as it's not an act of sin) is a matter of preference.

Sure, there are customs and methods each Church holds, and there are reasons behind it... and that is fine... but there is a difference between saying, "this is the way we do it" and "this is the only way God accepts".

I hope my point is clear. God bless.

[LJSGM]

demoninations are just labels made up for the lack of true spiritual leading in the church, and the organisation in the church that chokes the leading of the Holy Spirit. If we were led by one spirit, meaning that we listened to Him, and we did not add our own human traditions to truth that the Holy Spirit gave us, then we would be unitied. Christians are doing what man has done since the beginning of time, they have relied on their own understanding, and relied on their man made traditions instead of Gods. This is the yeast of the pharisees. I do not support denominations, they are man made divisions as others have said.

[christandisrael]

It is when believers refuse to work together there are many splits. Paul called these people carnal and as much as I hate to say it but placing one denomination over another is sin. We are a united family in God. The devil will try to divided us. Doesn't the Bible say that a divided kingdom cannot stand? So, the truth is that all of us need to work together and be the family of God. Love.:groupray:

[Gukkor]

It is when believers refuse to work together there are many splits. Paul called these people carnal and as much as I hate to say it but placing one denomination over another is sin. We are a united family in God. The devil will try to divided us. Doesn't the Bible say that a divided kingdom cannot stand? So, the truth is that all of us need to work together and be the family of God. Love.:groupray:

Sad, however, that it's taken us the better part of two millenia just to begin the process of reconciling our differences and bringing the denominations together as a family.

[stray bullet]

You can trace any given denomination back to a human founder. 606 AD, Rome, Boniface III brings Roman Catholicism into light.

Quick question: What does this mean? How can he found something if he's already the third (III) Pope named Boniface?

[christandisrael]

Quick question: What does this mean? How can he found something if he's already the third (III) Pope named Boniface?
I have no idea.

[whateveristrue]

The more I think about it, the more ridiculous I think it is. The truth is, Christians are NOT united. What do typical non-believers in the world see when they look at the Church? They see a bunch of people who can't even agree on what they believe. Endless debates of issues that are so trivial. And I am quite sure that most of this is not for the glory of God, but for the glory of man, just so he can be RIGHT.
This is one of the things that non-believers find unbelievable. Why on earth would they want to have any part in this??

[Kitten87]

Personally, I am anti-denominational. For different churches to have different styles of worship and different "official" positions on certain secondary issues, but to split off from the other churches and organize into factions is ridiculous. I am pleased with the progress that denominations have had recently in putting aside their differences and becoming somewhat more unified, but old feuds still remain, and often over completely irrelevant differences.

im with u on tht.

this is why i love our church the main priority they teach there is how to gain and sustain a loving relationship with God.

[Amisk]

Does God care which denomination I belong to? (http://www.raptureready.com/faq/faq151.html)

Denominationlism has been a problem right back to the day that Paul and Barnabas separated over Mark and likely earlier than that.

There is a lot of "if you don't want to play my way then I'll take my little red waggon and go home" attitude among some Christians.

On the other hand there are times when a denomination has slips away from the Scriptures and refuses to be revived. A time when a breakaway is a must if the truth of Christ is to remain. Most noticeably this was so with the springing up of the Protestant Movement.

Then there are those differences, which have been silly as well, for instance some have separated over issues that matters little in the long run. I am told that some have separated over a mere disagreement on a couple of verses of scriptures that made little difference in the whole context of scriptures.

A couple of church denominations that I know of have fail to unit solely on a disagreement on government within the two denominations.

Denominations have caused a lot of harm in Christianity. It has left the unsaved and weaker brethren confused about what is correct. Although to say that I do not believe in denominational is wrong, since one immediately start your own denomination based on one's own ideas.

Some of the doctrines on which there can be no disagreement are: We believe that the Scriptures are without error in their original form. That we take them literally in passages where the writer or speaker is talking in literal terms.

On the matter of Salvation we believe: " Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Act 4:12

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Eph 2:8-10

That we live a life of holiness, for we are warned:

"And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.


Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:


Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

Hebrews 12: 12 -15

It is important that we not get hung up on denominational doctrinal issues but build our faith on scripture and have a personal experience of Salvation which produces good works and a life of holy living. Denominations can be sign posts to heaven or hell depending on which way the leadership takes the membership. So be ware when the leadership errors from the scripture, or swings radically from the major scriptural doctrines of Salvation.

Denominationlism is here to stay! Beware of groups which are willing to unit for union-sake alone. Beware of groups that are prepared to sell the infallibility of scripture, and its teaching on Salvation and holiness inorder to gain that union.

[LJSGM]

Denominationlism is here to stay! Beware of groups which are willing to unit for union-sake alone. Beware of groups that are prepared to sell the infallibility of scripture, and its teaching on Salvation and holiness inorder to gain that union.

I beg to differ:)

Only the Holy Spirit can create unity, and I believe this is going to happen soon, for the bride will prepare herself for the bridegroom's coming. Do you not believe in the infallibility of the scripture? Then I would beware of your teaching.

[Gukkor]

Amisk: "Beware of groups that are prepared to sell the infallibility of scripture."

LJSGM: "Do you not believe in the infallibility of scripture? Then I would beware of your teaching."

This kind of exchange is what denominations are made of. There's no such thing as a simple difference of opinion among many of us. It's always the "good teachings (which, coincidentally, are always those that the speaker believes)" and the "dangerous teachings."

[LJSGM]

Amisk: "Beware of groups that are prepared to sell the infallibility of scripture."

LJSGM: "Do you not believe in the infallibility of scripture? Then I would beware of your teaching."

This kind of exchange is what denominations are made of. There's no such thing as a simple difference of opinion among many of us. It's always the "good teachings (which, coincidentally, are always those that the speaker believes)" and the "dangerous teachings."
Hey, I spoke what I believe, I didn't create a new denomination, nor would I stop fellowshipping with someone over this. Of course the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth to us and there will be division over those that Follow Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the scripture between those that do not. I think it is more dangerous to sell a false falliability of the scripture to unite people, just a thought.

[Gukkor]

Hey, I spoke what I believe, I didn't create a new denomination, nor would I stop fellowshipping with someone over this. Of course the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth to us and there will be division over those that Follow Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the scripture between those that do not. I think it is more dangerous to sell a false falliability of the scripture to unite people, just a thought.

Apologies, I didn't mean to seem like I was accusing either of you. I was simply pointing out that when such exchanges are blown out of proportion and get out of hand, that is when denominations split off. I certainly didn't mean to point at the two of you and say, "Look, look, denominations! Right there!":P

[cubanito]

Why are there so many resteraunts? Why cant everybody just eat the food I like?
Because there are different tastes and personalities.
That's how it should be.
What's bad is when arrogance seeps in and the "We've got it right and everyone else is wrong." mindset makes itself evident.

Best post on this thread.

Different denominations occur for different reasons.
1) Sometimes the reasons are petty arguments over things of which Scripture is decidedly unclear by people who are truly trying to do things right. An example would be the tragic separation of the Lutherans and the Calvinist over the exact meaning of the Eucharist.

2) Sometimes they occur for political, financial and other decidedly ungodly reasons. Example of "the Great Schism" of 1054 wherin the RC broke from the other 4 historic "Patriarchs" over a power play.

3) At times the reasons are the sincere wish to honor major Biblical norms from which many in a denomination have strayed. There are many conservative branches of older denominations that have left because the older hierarchies have totally abandoned the Bible. Example the PCA and OPC leaving the older PCUSA when the PCUSA began to openly deny the inerrancy of Scripture, the Transcendence of God, ordain Lesbians to the pulpit and place abortion as a covered medical procedure on the pastor's health plan.

Very often there 's a mix of the above. Nonetheless, we should realize that sometimes a group of believers feels it necessary to dissociate themselves from another group that is in their opinion clearly transgressing Scripture. Even denominations that strenously deny the label of denomination (if it talks, walks and quacks like a duck...) have had their splits between the liberals and those who maintain Biblical innerancy.

That many denoms exist is not altogether bad, though I wish that the conservatives could overcome their MINOR differences and join together more often.

I would like to point out that of all the major religions, Christianity remained visibly united far longer than all others combined. For almost exactly 1,000 years there was a single Christian denomination, a single communing visible entity by that name. All the other religions began to break up almost immediately upon the death of the founder. Even now, all the major branches affirm that there remains an essential unity, called "the invisible Church", known only to God.

JR

[christandisrael]

Best post on this thread.

Different denominations occur for different reasons.
1) Sometimes the reasons are petty arguments over things of which Scripture is decidedly unclear by people who are truly trying to do things right. An example would be the tragic separation of the Lutherans and the Calvinist over the exact meaning of the Eucharist.

2) Sometimes they occur for political, financial and other decidedly ungodly reasons. Example of "the Great Schism" of 1054 wherin the RC broke from the other 4 historic "Patriarchs" over a power play.

3) At times the reasons are the sincere wish to honor major Biblical norms from which many in a denomination have strayed. There are many conservative branches of older denominations that have left because the older hierarchies have totally abandoned the Bible. Example the PCA and OPC leaving the older PCUSA when the PCUSA began to openly deny the inerrancy of Scripture, the Transcendence of God, ordain Lesbians to the pulpit and place abortion as a covered medical procedure on the pastor's health plan.

Very often there 's a mix of the above. Nonetheless, we should realize that sometimes a group of believers feels it necessary to dissociate themselves from another group that is in their opinion clearly transgressing Scripture. Even denominations that strenously deny the label of denomination (if it talks, walks and quacks like a duck...) have had their splits between the liberals and those who maintain Biblical innerancy.

That many denoms exist is not altogether bad, though I wish that the conservatives could overcome their MINOR differences and join together more often.

I would like to point out that of all the major religions, Christianity remained visibly united far longer than all others combined. For almost exactly 1,000 years there was a single Christian denomination, a single communing visible entity by that name. All the other religions began to break up almost immediately upon the death of the founder. Even now, all the major branches affirm that there remains an essential unity, called "the invisible Church", known only to God.

JR
It is usually the sin of discontent and failure to work things out as a family.