bible translation question

[AngCath]

I have a simple question for the Messianic community. In both the Jerusalem and New Jerusalem Bibles, the translators use "Yahweh" in the text rather than the traditional rendering as "The Lord". I am just wondering how you all feel about that usage.

[christinepro]

I have a simple question for the Messianic community. In both the Jerusalem and New Jerusalem Bibles, the translators use "Yahweh" in the text rather than the traditional rendering as "The Lord". I am just wondering how you all feel about that usage.
I like it!

[Sephania]

Personally , I don't believe the personal name of the L-RD should be used. Even Yeshua used what is called circumlocution in the 'New" Testement.

[Sephania]

I just wanted to add, we Jews although he is our G-d don't feel that we can be so common and familiar with Him to just throw His personal Holy Name around. Those who advocate using this and speaking it out loud are going against millinia of traditional Jewish values. This name, called the tetragrammaton, is extremly sacred, that is why you will see in transliterations the substitute such as HaShem which means 'the Name' as well as Adonai, which means mY GREAT L-RD.

Some even say that using these instead of the HOly name date back to as far as the 3rd centruy BCE. This is also a universal Jewish tradition.

Even Greek translations such as the Septuagint and the New covenant don't use the Name, but instead use the Greek 'Kurios'.

This tetragramaton is considered 'Holy' and set apart, different than any other name, and should be treated as such.

Those who use this sacred name are in doing so making it common and thus breaking the commandment to not profane the name of G-d.

Yeshua used Abba, and My G-D, should we not follow in His footsteps?

[AngCath]

thanks for your input

[christinepro]

The thing I like about using YHWH is that he is aware
you are praying to the right god. G_d could mean Moloch Baal or whatever other pagan gods. I think that in a Bible and in prayer it is wonderful but only keep it reserved for this only.

[Bon]

In the original Hebrew, the Tetragrammaton "YHWH" was used over 7000 times.

It was evenually replaced by titles such as "LORD" because of a traditional custom by the scribes not to utter the Holy name of YHWH as they were writing out the Torah.
You may notice your English version contains LORD in all capital letters.
This is where the name YHWH originally was used.

I would rather see an english translation with just the Tetragrammaton instead, as it orignally was.

Exodus 3:15 God also said to Moses, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'The LORD (YHWH), the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.

Bon

[plum]

The thing I like about using YHWH is that he is aware
you are praying to the right god. G_d could mean Moloch Baal or whatever other pagan gods. I think that in a Bible and in prayer it is wonderful but only keep it reserved for this only.
is it about the exact name you say out loud or is it about the position of your heart as you pray? Does not G-d know who is speaking to Him even if they do not know the Name Y H V H ? :)

[Sephania]

L-rd, teach us how to pray:

And he said to them, when you pray say:

Our Father, who is in heaven, Holy is your name.....................

There is only one Father, One Abba that resides in heaven, hashamayim, so there can be no mistake. Yeshua gave specific instructions on how to approach Him and He did not teach to use "THE NAME".

"Holy is your name" shows us that he ( Yeshua, our Salvation) is telling us that the Master of the Universes, name is so Holy we are not to address Him by it, He made it very clear.

Even Yeshua is called by those around him, teacher, Raboni, Master, even the Pharasees called him teacher and although they did not agree with him, were never disrespectful.

[Bon]

L-rd, teach us how to pray:

And he said to them, when you pray say:

Our Father, who is in heaven, Holy is your name.....................

There is only one Father, One Abba that resides in heaven, hashamayim, so there can be no mistake. Yeshua gave specific instructions on how to approach Him and He did not teach to use "THE NAME".

"Holy is your name" shows us that he ( Yeshua, our Salvation) is telling us that the Master of the Universes, name is so Holy we are not to address Him by it, He made it very clear.

Even Yeshua is called by those around him, teacher, Raboni, Master, even the Pharasees called him teacher and although they did not agree with him, were never disrespectful.

Hi Zayit,
I mean no disrespect to you...but why do you think that His name was originally written in the Tanach so many thousands of times for the reader to see and speak?
And why did He tell Moses that "YHWH is My name forever"?

No-one has any problem calling Yahshua by His name today, when those around Him at the time only called Him Raboni or Master or Teacher.
Shouldn't we then, do the same?

I understand that He is Holy, His name is Holy and that He is our Father above all...But all Fathers have a name....and we should not let His be forgotten.

With respect....from Bon

[WordofGod]

May Elohim continue to bless you all.

[Sephania]

Shalom Bon, I hope things are well with you, good to see you. :)


Hi Zayit,
I mean no disrespect to you...but why do you think that His name was originally written in the Tanach so many thousands of times for the reader to see and speak?
And why did He tell Moses that "YHWH is My name forever"?

yes the Hebrew is there, but that doesn't mean is should be treated as every other word in the book does it? :There are other words in the Torah such as abomination, and also the names of other 'gods' yet the L-RD tells us to not speak their names outloud as well. Just because it is written does not mean it should be spoken. The reason for not mentioning any other gods is to not profane our lips, and the reason to not speak HaShems name outloud is so we don't profane His name.

No-one has any problem calling Yahshua by His name today, when those around Him at the time only called Him Raboni or Master or Teacher.
Shouldn't we then, do the same?



Speaking of and to are different things. I do not always say Yeshua, but our L-RD, or our Lamb, the one true Rabbi, etc. Also his name is Yeshua, which means Salvation, the salvation promised by HaShem many years ago. But yet in Isaiah we see his is to be called many things, but isn't his name the same as "THE NAME" are they not one? does he not tell us this in Revelation



Each of the four living beings had six wings and was covered with eyes inside and out; and day and night they never stop saying, "Holy, holy, holy is ADONAI, God of heaven's armies the One who was, who is and who is coming!"






I understand that He is Holy, His name is Holy and that He is our Father above all...But all Fathers have a name....and we should not let His be forgotten.

With respect....from Bon

Yes, all fathers have a name, but I never called my father by his first name, have you? He is not my peer and never will be, he always will be my father and as such should be respected and not spoken to as an equal. Even Yeshua, who was closer than any, never called him by HaShem, but we are told by him ( Yeshua ) to call him Abba, Father, so I will obey the commandment of Yeshua as to how to address Him.

:)